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[Fafnir]

Wonder what would happen if Mythic reduced the damage on the back position style.

 

[Glyph_mid]

I wouldnt be beaten shitless fully buffed with my thane vs unbuffed champs

Hibs dont need nerfs, especially enchanter !

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
I wouldnt be beaten shitless fully buffed with my thane vs unbuffed champs

Hibs dont need nerfs, especially enchanter !

Aye been 2 hit to death to many times by none lvl 50 LW wielders

 

[vermillon]

Actually is the 9 sec stun that makes this style uber. As everyone will agree back styles are easy to land in RvR beeing a tank, since most of the targets are runing away ones you engage them(*points at casters*). Hence is easy to Annihilate them. 600+800 dmg and 9 sec stun on a caster is more than a sure kill on the next swing. Annihilation is indeed an uber style and the others 2 realm have nothing in similar to this, only thing you have to do as a LW user is to backup Annihilation with your other styles. Eventualy you will be behind your enemy and annihilate, also you can do so if you just pass through his body. Many times i have been stuned this way by well known oponents, they don't even bother to get in your back, they just run through you and hit.
Finaly i want to say that since the other 2 realms have nothing similar i consider this style as an imbalance. At least there souldn't be a stun effect on it, is like having stun effect on Back Slash style or Snowsquall(9 sec stun on Snowsquall geezus ).

 

[Fafnir]

I got Conquer from hammer spec, behind positional, hit mob with 2h, twice do about 5-10% more damage with it than Thor's Answer with 1h.

 

[tris-]

polearm has a 9 sec stun but its the second style in a 2 part combo
but it also got a 6 second stun too

 

[Glyph_mid]

Hammer got a 2s stun after block!, or was it 1second

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Wonder what would happen if Mythic reduced the damage on the back position style.

There would be no longer any point in playing a LW tank?

In rvr i have compaired Frontal assult to Annihilation and there is very little differnece in damage both are medium damage styles.

If there are changes wanting to be made the whole of the Hiberian style end costs and damane pluses need to be looked at. Since now we have ther worst version of end regen?

In hib there are NO high damage 2 handed Anytime/Front/Back Styles and only one side postional side?

Imo hiberain sucks in styles and the only good side u want to get downgraded?

If there was a change increase damage to high and reduce stun time to 6 seconds

LW styles

 

[Fafnir]

Well you get better defense and attack from your styles.

 

[chiefbootknocka]

fafnir the 1h thane

hahaha

 

[Solid]

Hammer has a 6 second stun off Thor's Answer but the damange is rather lame as a follow up style.

Block > Revenge (Def Penalty) > Thor's Answer (6 Sec Stun)

Revenge does same damage as Thor's which is 10% more than Provoke, our low level taunt style.

End of the day Hammer line in Mid is the most gimped DAMAGE DEALING line out of the 3 (Axe/Sword/Hammer) as it has a shit 3rd in block chain low damage broken effect level 50 style and no other style has good style damage.

Hammer has nothing comparible to Tyr's Fury or Ragnarok or Anhilation.

Lets not get too LW aggro, lessen the stun to 6secs imo and leave the damage as is.

Give Hammer an equivalent 50 Style with equivalent damage to Ragnarok and Tyr's Fury and then I would consider Mid Melee closer to LW.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by chiefbootknocka
fafnir the 1h thane

hahaha

1h weapon and shield you moffo. But perhaps you dont understand that.

 

[old.Greggor]

But mid and alb both have good anytime and postional styles.

There is only 1 good style in hiberian and without end regen u can get it off 3 time before ooe. Since bards have the between 1300 and 1600 hp with defence = 0, bards die fast and they are easily reconsed as bard by their instruments but that is a differnet problem

The only resonse that Annihilation is powerful is the 9 sec stun but savages have a 9 sec dtun in a back position? Nerf that too? Also slam has 9 sec stun too nerf that too ?

In fact take out at CC all together ?

 

[Fafnir]

Well would like to see a lvl 50 get slammed to death with 2 slams.

 

[Solid]

Greggor its a combination of massive damage +stun.

Contrary to popular belief there are very few high damage positionals in the traditional weapon specs in Midgard (namely Axe/Sword/Hammer) and nearly none of them have anywhere near a 9sec stun ascociated.

Problem resides with the fact that Mid Hybrids like Thanes sacrifice Weaponspec to get 42 Shield slam (9 sec) whereas Hib Hybrids sacrifice 1H weaponspec and shield to get LW damage and 9sec Stun style.

This would be ok if some of the non50 styles had good damage but quite frankly all 3 lines are shit unless u can take them to 50 and that means giving up the stun from Slam.

Usually not a problem for a pure melee class I admit, but it really hurts Hybrids, esp Skalds as they cant even spec Shield.

Hib hybrids CAN get 9sec Stun and massive damage advanced weapontypes in one spec, mid hybrids cant. We either choose 50 weap for Damage or 42 Shield for Stun, no way for us to do both. (Skald cant even do that, if he goes 50 Weap he loses his top DD and Damage add, if he goes 44/46 weap he gets no high damage 50 style, god damn Skalds need MAJOR help)

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Wonder what would happen if Mythic reduced the damage on the back position style.

Originally posted by Fafnir
Aye been 2 hit to death to many times by none lvl 50 LW wielders

The back positional style you talk about is Annihilation and it's a level 50 style so you can't blame non level 50 people for having it

 

[Fafnir]

Aye, but at yggdra gates i was 2 hit by a bluecon celt, he hit for 700 first hit, 600 second hit. So wonder what style that was, and it was a stun style. Could not use ip. And i had just killed druid there.

 

[Solid]

Faf well why dont u go look up the styles

If he did thrust damage it was Celtic Spear, if it was slash/crush it was Large Weapon, Mythic have a full style library with levels and effects, u lazy dorf u

bte shame on you losing to a blue con

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Aye, but at yggdra gates i was 2 hit by a bluecon celt, he hit for 700 first hit, 600 second hit. So wonder what style that was, and it was a stun style. Could not use ip. And i had just killed druid there.

well, was probably ultimate recovery then (only stun style available pre-50 which has stun on first part of the chain). useable after enemy parries.. so he actually hit at you 3 times and you parried first.. or else you weren't actually stunned and hitting for 700 and 600 just means he got some really nice crits, or maybe you were sitting or naked or something

 

[old.mattshanes]

You must have bad resists.... by the way lw is decent because the lv50 style is infact an anytime style it seems..

 

[Jonaldo]

not anytime, it needs back position

anytime would mean you could use it at 'any' time which is false

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Omniscieous
not anytime, it needs back position

anytime would mean you could use it at 'any' time which is false

Stunned infront of target heh you ask a champ(or a mid/alb) always happens in rvr many have experienced this.

 

[Cernos]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
You must have bad resists.... by the way lw is decent because the lv50 style is infact an anytime style it seems..

Well only because all the people who run away from LW users thereby convert a rear positional style into an anytime

I don't think the damage is at all overpowered really if you bear in mind how slow a LW tank swings usually, even with quickness and haste, and how easily messed up they are by personal and pulsing bladeturn.

If the level 50 style didn't do decent damage, what point swinging a slow weapon? 2h weapon users have it tough these days with all the PBT, resists, blocks, evades and parries that go on. I think it's good they fixed RvR so people block, parry and evade as much as they deserve to (more improvements coming too) but the flipside of this is that if a 2h user does manage to connect (be they from any realm) they *should* do big damage. I have my quickness at base, which is a major disadvantage against PBT and fast opponents. I have traded this for the chance to do big frontloaded damage. Take this away, and a LW user spec'd this way has nothing.

I think most people are more bothered by the 9 second stun that comes with it. But I don't think this is any more overpowered than Dragonfang (ok, this needs an evade but how many infis and mercs do you know who don't evade like mad).

If they reduced all non-slam weapon stuns to medium duration this would be fair, but reducing Annihilation alone wouldn't be.

Cernos

 

[old.Hendrick]

(ok, this needs an evade but how many infis and mercs do you know who don't evade like mad).

I wish.

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Originally posted by vermillon
Finaly i want to say that since the other 2 realms have nothing similar i consider this style as an imbalance. At least there souldn't be a stun effect on it, is like having stun effect on Back Slash style or Snowsquall(9 sec stun on Snowsquall geezus ).

I don't know, the Reaver L50 Flex style Leviathan hits for at least as much if the logs on WhineGN are anything go by. 300 hit +200ish lifetap (+potential proc and lifetap proc) on a rear positional with a 3.2spd 1H weapon is fairly nice as well And as for lack of stun on it, Slam once, run through, /face, leviathan*2 and dead just about anything.

I am not that confident on Mid styles as I have never really played them so I won't go into it.

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by old.Lianuchta
And as for lack of stun on it, Slam once, run through, /face, leviathan*2 and dead just about anything.

thats 2 styles ><

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Well yeah, but you don't have to Slam if the target is running from you. Leviathan and Asp should get you most casters if you can't get the second leviathan off...

 

[zero-]

savage stun style - back aswell

LW champs only have annihilation - nothing else is useful :>

 

[SilverHood]

play midgard hybrid melee.... nothing useful at all

I use a taunt style as my anytime RvR style.

 

[Solid]

Hammer line has the worst positionals possible

Level <20 style FrostHammer does same damage as our taunt and conquer has no tohit bonus at all