Loot sharing System!

[Treson]

This is an issue which concerns our hole realm! I want nothing else then to see Excaliber/Hibernia as the happy/good mannered Realm as i know it can be!

We have a problem! we cant share loot in a way all see as fair and iTs important that all SEES IT AS A FAIR WAY TO SHARE. Ore else this arguing will go on. I dont think anyone wants that.

So here I want all to post any good ideas they can come up with for a loot-sharing-system(lss). So we can discuss it in a good manner. We can make this work, we just need to work together and not against eachother.

Plz be short and direcly with posts, and NO arguing, spamming, flaming, etc. ONLY dicuss and post IDEAS!

And again its VERY important that we come up wit a LSS which all SEES as FAIR!

Lets fix our problem here!

 

[Alrindel]

The arguing will go on as long as people are greedy, suspicious, impatient and rude (here I'm thinking of Wuren telling us that one of the items he was distributing had two people interested, so he flipped a coin and gave it to one of them, whereupon the other person immediately started swearing and calling him names).

It will stop either two ways.

1) People will start being a little more patient, generous and good-natured about the drop distribution.

2) The people who are currently leading the big raids will get tired of being abused and insulted, and stop organizing them. No drops, no drop distribution problem.

We have a problem! we cant share loot in a way all see as fair

There is NO system that all will see as fair. Trying to argue here about how to make one will only make things worse.

 

[old.Arya]

Well drops = bonus.
And if you so greedy to argue over drops well you got a problem then ;p Personally rather get nothign than spending a sec on arguing over a drop, pretty senseless to argue bout that if you aks me.

 

[Treson]

You have a good point Alrindel, but this is not a post with a idea for a LSS.

I dont want any posts here concerning other subjects then for a LSS!

And this post would maybe only leed to another dicsussion, that wont help us.

I SAY AGAIN: DONT POST ANYTHING OTHER THEN IDEAS FOR A LSS(Loot-Sharing-System)

 

[Gorguss]

Everyone show their current equipment in their current equipment slot and the loot holder(the one who gets the item) chooses who needs it the most .. ? K so it's a bad idea but just to get you guys started

 

[Ebonn]

Just a idea and in no way a solution, ppl will want 2 do it there way and however they can get the item they want.

1) item must idealy con ylow, orange if other critera are not met, no giving items to chars if they con red.purp,blue etc...
2) items should go to the char they most suit, i.e spears to CS heros b4 sword/sheild heros etc...
3) items should go to chars who need them more i.e scale gloves to some one who has green con ones b4 they go to some one who has ylow con ones, ( if the chars involved wish to sort out some kind of trade for there old ones that is up to them and should not involve more arguments, a yes or no is ample )
4) only 1 item per person per raid, and priority to chars who have had nothing atall from any raid,
5) if there is more than 1 person that is equally deserving of said item, they should b appontied a number between 1 and 9 ( if more than 9 ppl are deserving u have 2 scale the ratio of numbers up, but esentially it works the same ) kill a mob and pick up the bag of coins, who's ever number is last gets said item, say gratz and remind yourself that eventually u will get something.
( i.e, 3 ppl eligable for said item, person 1 has number 1,2 and 3 person 2 has number 4,5 and 6 and person 3 has number 7,8 and 9, kill a mob pick up cash bag, say it dropped 37s, so in this case person 3 would get said item, as the last number of mob loot was 7,)

now as i have said this is only a idea, i dont wat any one picking holes in it, Tze , or it being flamed,

also a certain degree of trust and a lot of honesty has to be applyed in any loot-sharing-system, and i think that is the hardest thing to get right

all players who are eligable for said item should be given a chance to say there peice why tey think they should have said item, without interupton and arguments

and all pl who receive a item should payback that generosity by helping the ones who did not by particpating in the future raids knowing they might not even get anything ( yes this meens u must do something for nothing for once, think of it as helping your realm and not yourself )

well there we go, it problably sounds complatly undoable when i reread it later but tres did ask for ideas so here is one

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by Treson
I dont want any posts here concerning other subjects then for a LSS!
I SAY AGAIN: DONT POST ANYTHING OTHER THEN IDEAS FOR A LSS(Loot-Sharing-System)

If you mean my post.. read it correctly. it is a suggestion.... stop being loot greedy ... fixes your problem

 

[Treson]

Well done Ebonn

Now i have been thinking about this at works for some hours. And this is what i came up with:

We have 2 bases to go threw. Base 1 were Lewistherin(ore the item holder) stands near the horseman at Mbeo. Base 2 will be me(ore someone else) on as a low lvl alt. at the Blackthorns place behind Mbeo.

1. Lewis. annouces 1st Item. Those who interested go to Base 2. (look at "get-loot requirements" for ppl at the bottom)

2. If 9 ore less come, then each say a nr. from 1-9 which i will note down(and they remember). I kill a blackthorn and we follow the coin system first said bye Paen. If the mob drops 1s 23 cobber. The person who is closest to 3 gets it. *If there are more then 9 interrested ore 2 get equal close look at the "Differ" section at the bottom.

3. Back to Lewis. Give item to winner and announce next item. Then proceed and go thew step 2 again.

[Rules] These rules will depend on the way people behave.
I only write down some rules to make these procedures go faster!
1. No spamming
2. No unessesary talk
3. No arguing
4. Those who continue to behave in a undecent manner and still have agreed to this will be sett on /ignore while items are being annouced!

[get-loot requirements]
1. Item must con yellow/orange
2. Of corse to the classes it suits best
3. if it has specific lvl/class on it, it also must con yellow/orange to them.
4. No more then 1 Item a player on same raid
5. Bye memory from many of us, try to remeber those who havent gotten any items yet which fit for these requirements. We might wanna do a Item just for them!


[Differ]
If more then 9 ppl are interested we follow same procidure almost. All give a number which i note down, but from 1-100. And we the follow the ones closest to the 2 digit nr.

If two ppl get equal close say it ends with number 7, and one have 6 other 8. We let those two pic new number again from 1-9 and kill a mob to settle it.

[last thoughts]

This may take some time in the start to get used too, but i dont see any other way. It would be a shame if all stop dong big raids.
Of corse i know this opinion needs modification ore renewing but plz help out.

Ill post new changes ore your changes as i see fit i have copied this to a txt-file.

 

[Treson]

To give items to those who needs them the most. I think that will only bring arguing.

Becaus 1st we have to check hes items which means will take alot of time to chech 8 people.

And 2nd how do we konw they just dont change out their own to some green armour?

This may sound harsh and no-trust at all..

But they way i see it we gotta do it the hard way until people find out how much easier it is doing it a good mannered trustful way!

 

[Kobold]

Sounds like a good plan to me. We need someone to lead it though, and instruct all about the rules. Really worth a try, good thinking m8

 

[old.Takahome]

Mmm just read Paen´s thread, Festima made some interesting suggestion, why don´t say in /as any1 say a number from 1 to xx and the first one says that counts, will it´ll still has some defects but it´s more reasonable than imply somebody from a certain guild so all suspect that he cheats to help his mate.

To make it even better, try to do this twice per loot, means if u have got 5 drops, first number is the number in CG of a drop request, and second is the number of WHICH drop (from 1 to 5 since there r 5 drops, and it can be designed by anybody) it will be, and they can´t be stated from 1 person, therefor the cheat chance´ll be quite minimal IMO. Wot ya say? ^_^ U can restrict that to not be sayable by who ever in any of those loot request groups and it´s done.

Again, this can be done by coins or random numbers... but since u can´t find any mob around tmb which drops at lvl 50... and to prove its truth u must group all the ppl in one group, and go a spot where u can find green mobs (closest CM?) that´s a trouble... and when u do a random, only u can c it, so u´ll need to post SS later to prove it and it´s too troublesome IMO.

 

[Treson]

I havent read threw Paens thread properly it got spammed down.
I hope festima can post her idea her too.

If you read what i said Takahome, you would see i posted
"Base 2 will be me(ore someone else) on as a LOW lvl alt. at the Blackthorns place behind Mbeo"

And true, i might have to group some ore all, but that dosent take too long.


Seeing is believing!

 

[Treson]

Quote Festima

Maybe rather than doing coindrop, you could say:

/as someone pick a number between 1 and 7

then someone......a completely random person says 4

He could be from any guild, and then there is little chance of someone fixing. It's easier that trying to find a green conning mob to 50's at TNM.

And before someone brings up /as rules and spamming.....well rules have to be bent sometimes, and if you take it as standard procedure noone is going to complain about it. People are going to complain about people calling CF a bunch of tards in Sweedish in /as cos they can't get a loot system right.

But, I really think you need to pick a fair loot system and stick with it. You also need to decide what you want to do with the sub-47's. You need a loot policy and you need to make it clear what it is at each raid BEFORE you leave

 

[Treson]

I just came up with another idea! :O

What if we follow Festimas idea, but add one thing.

People interested chose number from 1-100, then 4 people say 1 random number each from 1-100, then we find the designated number of those 4 divided liker this.


1: 34
2: 28
3: 87


34+28+87 = 149

149/3 = 49

Closest noted number of the interested wins!

We can even do this in /br i think.

Number will never go past 99. since

99+99+99= 297

297/3 = 99

 

[Treson]

People interested chose number from 1-100, then 4 people say 1 random number each from 1-100, then we find the designated number of those 4 divided liker this.



I meant "then 3 people say 1 random number each from 1-100, then we find the designated number of those 3 dived like this.

 

[old.lewstherin]

Ok but what about those who make a hard effort doing all orginizing and leading... should they get a bonus?

 

[Gahldir]

well, one thing, we are not all in the same alliance, so if Lewis numbers aren't good enough for you, then this random person will not be good to you either....

the other thing sounds rather fast. but the thing is the claimers have to spit thier number out fast, or a greedy mathwiz will hold in his number a few secs and get the item.

For example:

3 in a group for an item, where one think he is pretty fast to calculate things.

#1 picks 34
#2 picks 87

then it's pretty easy to see that any middle number will be the winner so...

#3 picks 59 (3 secs after the two first picks)

34+87+59=180

180/3=60

59 is therefor by far the closest number.

this will prolly only work nicely if there are more then 5 persons since by the the math starts to be pretty hard to work out in a few secs so the wanker would prolly be spotted.

 

[old.Takahome]

Well u´ll need to prove SS to loot coin and such stuffs, that number thing´s interesting though.

 

[Keri]

An added suggestion for ensuring that people who get a drop are not eligible for another drop on the next DF raid until everyone from the first raid, who is also on the second raid, gets a drop (hope you follow that) ... would be for group leaders to give the raid leader a list of everyone in their group. Raid leader then posts on this forum everyone who was on the raid, and what drop they got, if any. That way, it would be easy to know who still hadn't got a drop on a subsequent raid. Perhaps lower level characters on raids could be given seals instead of items. Healing classes are definitely an asset even if they are <47 .. they heal, res and buff, which makes the tanks and nukers more effective, so healers do deserve to get something. At lvl 43, I never expected to get any items, but a few seals would have been nice.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

holy shit

please make a summary when you are finished )

 

[old.lewstherin]

I can do a shortlist of ppl that have gotten drops on my raids..:
Me, gahldir,novamir,icebreaker,anno,festima,gargo,ella,alderian I cant remember ppl from other guilds plz help me fill this list...

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Inada, Cughel <although he wasn't there, he was most suited for the item>

 

[old.Arya]

Synbios got some spear ^^

 

[Novamir]

Garcall, Dragor, Zarko, Draygawn, Tankna, + 1 more all got stuff

 

[old.DachraK]

I'll roll a dice in front of a webcam

 

[Novamir]

im not sure we all have the stomach for that sort of idea dach.

 

[Treson]

I say we do it in /br not in /as since we all not in same alliance.
We just need to get ppl to shut up, if they dont then its their own fault things go slow. That way they will learn. Which means they can chatter in /say but only item concerning actions goes in /br.
Would ofcorse be best if they were silent

Okies now, this is how i will see it:

1. Lewis annouces 1st item.

2. Those Interested go to a person near Lewis. We take a fast look thew to check:

[get-loot requirements]
- Item must con yellow/orange
- of corse to the classes it suits best
- if it has specific lvl/class on it, it also must con yellow/orange to them.
- no more then 1 Item a player on same raid

and then each say 1 number from 1-100 in /br. Number does not even need to be written down if the spam is low ore if people dont chatter much.

3. Then the people not interested can spam in some numbers from 1-100, the first 3 will count. If as Gahldir said the the numbers come slow ore seem math said. We just add a fourth number from a random person in /as (hopefully someone not in Mbeo ore was in the raid. And this person should be /send to so we can be sure noone can talk to him before the number is said in /as).


Then do next Item.


If the chatter is big and its hard to scroll up abit for the numbers,
then the person close to Lewis were the interested shall to go will write down their numbers and they must also remeber them selves.


Those organizing raid should be able to pick up 1 Item only! But any Item they want.

And besides lewstherin dont think the ppl joining your raid ore anyones else raid will deny you for an Item if you want one
From what ive seen earlier this shouldent be a problem.

 

[Treson]

People who have gotten an Item before:

Garcall, Inada, Cughel, Dragor, Zarko, Draygawn, Tankna, Lweistherin, gahldir, novamir, icebreaker, anno, festima, gargo, ella, alderian, treson, zilch, who more?


Cjkace, Almecundia i know these have items but it could be from an own prince raid.

 

[Treson]

If you want me to explain this and go thew with this idea on next loot give out, that will not be a problem for me..

First its important to explain it easy and clear to the majority, get everyone to understand it. Then i exspect some will appose the idea. But until we see something better, this is how it will be done. If they dont like the idea then just ask them to come post a better idea at this board.

 

[old.Mick]

how about this simple idea.

5 ppl want an item, item holder /cg invites all these people and noone accepts untill item holder says accept, at which point they all accept, this should create a radomish list of ppl in /cg who

then ask a random person in mbeo, pick a number 1-5, they pick 4 and 4th person down in list gets item (excluding item holder of course).

to stop calls of erm tactical inviting if u dont accept cg within 5 secs of the holder saying accept, you are disqualified, this making it a short proces with little chance of corruption