lo m8erz, infils r weak

[Arnor]

omg, i think we have a possible noble prize winner here!

why the fuck is he so damn noble?

 

[mts]

why the fuck is he so damn noble?

because he's from birmingham,


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[Arnor]

msn biatch!

 

[Jaem-]

nobel or noble? either way i accept any awards, i've still got room on my shelves for 'other' awards even if theyre home made and offensive (no exploding awards please)

Still have the one for chubbiest doof runie? ;D

 

[Grimmen]

oh I just love this op and not op discussion threads


tbh I wont get involved as my template is probably gimped in most players eyes and I never realluy noticed a pattern, I have faced a few infils some have owned my ass so bad and some have get owned by me. Feels pretty random. Anyway I am still a stealther noob and my SB is only RR2 since I have been working mostly on my template ran around frontier first with random stuff on me and even 89% quality gloves and still managed to own a few infils and scouts solo, how that ever happnened I have no idea.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

oh I just love this op and not op discussion threads


tbh I wont get involved as my template is probably gimped in most players eyes and I never realluy noticed a pattern, I have faced a few infils some have owned my ass so bad and some have get owned by me. Feels pretty random. Anyway I am still a stealther noob and my SB is only RR2 since I have been working mostly on my template ran around frontier first with random stuff on me and even 89% quality gloves and still managed to own a few infils and scouts solo, how that ever happnened I have no idea.

Because you're discovering the truth. That is things are close and some you win (and some you lose). And that equipment palys a big factor when things are that close. Take what the old time whiners say with a pinch of salt - they remember the 'good' old days when they could 4 shot heavy tanks without using a single cs style. Now fights last longer (unless you do get that PA off), RAs and equipment matter and sometimes it just come sdown to the RNG.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

Because you're discovering the truth. That is things are close and some you win (and some you lose). And that equipment palys a big factor when things are that close. Take what the old time whiners say with a pinch of salt - they remember the 'good' old days when they could 4 shot heavy tanks without using a single cs style. Now fights last longer (unless you do get that PA off), RAs and equipment matter and sometimes it just come sdown to the RNG.

Can you show me screens where SZ 4-shotted buffed (or even unbuffed) tank before LA-nerf?
If not, stop posting the bullshit you do.

 

[wittor]

Thrust Infils weap dam is 100% dexbased.

rofl

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Whats that offhand you're using?

 

[Chronictank]

didn really think i would ever be in this situation, defending aussie

but he said gimp stats UNBUFFED

my bad
i thought he was being his usual self and missing the punctuation and was trying to say
gimp stats, unbuffed

Guess thats what you get when youre too lazy to write sentances

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Can you show me screens where SZ 4-shotted buffed (or even unbuffed) tank before LA-nerf?
If not, stop posting the bullshit you do.

my mincer got 4 shotted back then by SZ'ers did only have a level 35 bot aswell tho

Epic 4 teh win !

 

[Nalistah]

And he was str/con debuffed, he didnt use any purge. ....
Even if the infil had resisted the str/con debuff, he should not hit that hard, overpowered.

Thrust Infils weap dam is 100% dexbased. Str/con debuff wont help you lower his damage. And no, SB cant bebuff infils dex with poisons, not even mid alchmist can do that kind of poison. Happier now?

fuck sake, are you for real? 100% dex based?

No they are not, Thrust is 50%str and 50%dex. Thanks. (another huge advantage for infs)

 

[Dathcald]

And he was str/con debuffed, he didnt use any purge. ....
Even if the infil had resisted the str/con debuff, he should not hit that hard, overpowered.

Thrust Infils weap dam is 100% dexbased. Str/con debuff wont help you lower his damage. And no, SB cant bebuff infils dex with poisons, not even mid alchmist can do that kind of poison. Happier now?

Have to say that people who think they know something but actually are ignorant as block of wood don't mix well with arrogant nature. Happier now? Lol...

 

[Jaond]

they remember the 'good' old days when they could 4 shot heavy tanks without using a single cs style.

show tests and hard facts that a sb could 4shot heavy tanks,

And also show what equipment they had, resist/specs/buffs etc etc

Or maybe that's only needed when sb's complain about infils?

 

[Mithryn]

Because you're discovering the truth. That is things are close and some you win (and some you lose). And that equipment palys a big factor when things are that close. Take what the old time whiners say with a pinch of salt - they remember the 'good' old days when they could 4 shot heavy tanks without using a single cs style. Now fights last longer (unless you do get that PA off), RAs and equipment matter and sometimes it just come sdown to the RNG.

Sugarcoat it or deny it all you want, it just makes you look even more stupid. Fact remains, those are screenies that you and Aussie have been shouting for, and when they are shown you go off on a stupid "those are manufactured" or "nah, you're a gimp" kinda tirade. Whats the point, you'll never accept the fact that infs are over the top compared to atleast SBs, so I dont really understand why people try to cater your attentionseeking asses. Let it go, infs are OPed and it wont change, Mythic plays albion stealthers and made it clear a while back that "SBs are not gonna mess up my gametime".

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

show tests and hard facts that a sb could 4shot heavy tanks,

And also show what equipment they had, resist/specs/buffs etc etc

Or maybe that's only needed when sb's complain about infils?

Point taken. I will rephrase:

My memory is of watching SZs pop out of stealth and doublefrost anything and everything to death. I have no screenshots of that period, but accept Pete Waterman's figures as being valid enough and representative. I apologise for posting a distant recollection as fact.

Given it was a different environment back then - both pre and post SC'ing. i remember when barfog loot was the canines genitallia and cost a large amount. Now for shits and giggles i took my necro out there a week or two back to see what i could kill (kings nail anyone ;p ).

Part of the problem is people see wittors screenies and 400 plus hits. But when you take off the crits they're 300 hits - with 10% resists. SZs were doing (to my recollection, without ss or logs as at the time I never thought I'd need them) this with good old 89 qual weapons on 89 qual kit. Wittors doing this with top grade gear and toa bonuses.

 

[Jaond]

SZs were doing (to my recollection, without ss or logs as at the time I never thought I'd need them) this with good old 89 qual weapons on 89 qual kit.

I've never used a 89% qua weapon on my sb cant belive anyone did...

I used 99%/mp crafted weapons and yes hitted very hard, also most had very gimped resist back then so wasn't so hard to do...

Given it was a different environment back then - both pre and post SC'ing. i remember when barfog loot was the canines genitallia and cost a large amount. Now for shits and giggles i took my necro out there a week or two back to see what i could kill (kings nail anyone ;p ).

Good old days

Remember when df arrived and I got the prince sword damn it looked uber.

Part of the problem is people see wittors screenies and 400 plus hits. But when you take off the crits they're 300 hits - with 10% resists. SZs were doing (to my recollection, without ss or logs as at the time I never thought I'd need them) this with good old 89 qual weapons on 89 qual kit. Wittors doing this with top grade gear and toa bonuses.

Look at Nalistah's ss

Why is it ok for a infil with perfect toa armor to hit a fully buffed sb in toa gear with all resist capped for ~400,

But not for a sb in perfect sc armor/weapon on a infil with sc armor?

And not for a sb with 99%/mp weapons on a 89%qua kit with gimped resist?


But I agree

Sb was op... Now infils are


Balance please...

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Thing is nothing at all has changed with infils since - well since 2.5 got implemented. The only adjustment they have had is with Df being reduced.

They've done the tests post 1.70 in the US and NS/infil damage is the same at same spec - and the whole issue of 2.5 = higher weaponspec/ws is out of the window now. Again tests on infil/SB have shown comparable damage and the same applies there.

Why are nalistahs figures like that? I don't know - he has a habit of posting selective information and partial information. But I suspect the usual elements apply - knock off 20% relics and 15% for heat. Nalistah is using slash on slash neutral. A rr1 infil with a heat weapon is going to get an extra 35% damage on himstraight out of the box.

(Oh and the 89s - thats pre Sc'ing. many many many moons ago....)

 

[Nalistah]

Nalistah is using slash on slash neutral

Didnt you see on the screenshot that the infil was heatdebuffed? How could a slashweapon do that?
In your head, it was probably a chanter running by and heatdebuffed him for me.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

he got gimp stats when unbuffed, which part don't you understand?

more than 300 buffed dex doesent give SB's anything, MoP instead of aug str as u cant debuff crit chance, hence the "low" dex/str and all resists are high wich surely isnt regular these days.
pls stfu Aussie until you talk about something u have a clue about, tho i assume u wouldnt be able to talk much if u followed my advice ^^

 

[Nalistah]

You kinda took the words out of my mouth, Bloodaxe

Ive got Mop4, aye.. kinda expensive as i have mos4, purge2, vanish1 etc, could go augstr4-5 if i wanted to have l33t unbuffed stats, but why?

 

[Jaond]

Thing is nothing at all has changed with infils since - well since 2.5 got implemented. The only adjustment they have had is with Df being reduced.

But it have for sb's

You say la sholdnt have been nerfed?

Why are nalistahs figures like that? I don't know - he has a habit of posting selective information and partial information.

If we would post every ss of that kind of infil dmg, we wouldn't have time to play at all... and just hang in fh all the time, like you do

But I suspect the usual elements apply - knock off 20% relics and 15% for heat. Nalistah is using slash on slash neutral. A rr1 infil with a heat weapon is going to get an extra 35% damage on himstraight out of the box.

If I remember correct we (mids) had relics most of the time you complained about la dmg, and Nalistah use slash (malice) offhand, and Heat in main, if you look at ss you se he do +dmg on him and still he is nowhere close to Binfills dmg...

(Oh and the 89s - thats pre Sc'ing. many many many moons ago....)

Yes I understod that, I still used 99%/mp weapons pre sc, if I remember correct almost all sb's in mid did.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Didnt you see on the screenshot that the infil was heatdebuffed? How could a slashweapon do that?
In your head, it was probably a chanter running by and heatdebuffed him for me.

My bad.

Bit hard to tell because as always you only post partial information in the light that you want it to be seen.

All I can tell from that is that you were str/con debuffed and he was heat debuffed. Can't tell if you were, what were crits/procs etc. This does fall under the category of "spend two weeks hunting for anomolous big hits and try to convince everyone they're the norm".

All it is is a curiosity, no more than that.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Thing is nothing at all has changed with infils since - well since 2.5 got implemented. The only adjustment they have had is with Df being reduced.

They've done the tests post 1.70 in the US and NS/infil damage is the same at same spec - and the whole issue of 2.5 = higher weaponspec/ws is out of the window now. Again tests on infil/SB have shown comparable damage and the same applies there.

Why are nalistahs figures like that? I don't know - he has a habit of posting selective information and partial information. But I suspect the usual elements apply - knock off 20% relics and 15% for heat. Nalistah is using slash on slash neutral. A rr1 infil with a heat weapon is going to get an extra 35% damage on himstraight out of the box.

(Oh and the 89s - thats pre Sc'ing. many many many moons ago....)

we aint saying that infil has gotten more love etc. but SB's got nerfed too hard with LA nerf but why we start nagging now is becos we have made dam sure to keep the str relics to make up for it but in NF we arent able to.
we aint crying to gimp infils so u can just stop defending your class cos it doesent need it retard, we just want SB to be able to compete so unless you have a SB "smilewhenyousaythat" you can "smilewhenyoukissmyass" goodbye and stop spreading you puke in every SB thread on the forum PLS!

 

[fotm]

Smilewhenyousaythat or any other infil

Could you please post your CS spec and dmg cap on garotte when buffed and how much qui?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

we aint saying that infil has gotten more love etc. but SB's got nerfed too hard with LA nerf but why we start nagging now is becos we have made dam sure to keep the str relics to make up for it but in NF we arent able to.
we aint crying to gimp infils so u can just stop defending your class cos it doesent need it retard, we just want SB to be able to compete so unless you have a SB "smilewhenyousaythat" you can "smilewhenyoukissmyass" goodbye and stop spreading you puke in every SB thread on the forum PLS!

Ok - i can accept the premise that a class potentially needs a boost (lots of them do: *cough* armsmen *cough*). But I don't accept:

- omfgzz0rs!!! we r teh gimp.

- nerf x, nerf y, nerf z - its not fair!

- one time at bandcamp an infil hit me so hard i shat a pineapple

Make a case, back it up, accept it may be challenged, accept you may be wrong and accept that maybe, just maybe, there is no substantial issue that needs addressing as a priority.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Ok - i can accept the premise that a class potentially needs a boost (lots of them do: *cough* armsmen *cough*). But I don't accept:

- omfgzz0rs!!! we r teh gimp.

- nerf x, nerf y, nerf z - its not fair!

- one time at bandcamp an infil hit me so hard i shat a pineapple

Make a case, back it up, accept it may be challenged, accept you may be wrong and accept that maybe, just maybe, there is no substantial issue that needs addressing as a priority.

why would we need proof to prove something any semi skilled assassin regardless of realm already knows?
becos i dont see any reason we should prove anything to you, becos there aint anything you can do about it if we proved it with loads of logs/screenies and videos anyway.

 

[Lethul]

Nobel!

 

[Lethul]

nevermind infils mejts the real unbalanced class is fire wizard!!!! one quadnuked me tonight with heat sieeking firebolts

woudlnt heat seeking firebolts hit themselves?

 

[Knolan]

woudlnt heat seeking firebolts hit themselves?

its a kobbi/luwi seeker imo, no even better a short class seeker (fishies better watch out )