Llawby pride?

[Strondor_New]

What always struck me as impressive about LLaw was the way they roamed and often owned as a single fg (often taking on and beating enemies despite at least the numerical odds).

Then, regrettably, Llaw started to attract the flock of other hibby hangers-on who began to follow them around emain like seagulls trying to pick up the scraps from their fights. This i didnt begrudge Llaw as there is little a fg can do about this save telling the hangers-on to f off, which often causes offence

Then, increasingly, Llaw appeared reluctant to be seen in emain without first visiting crim or dc to pick up a few hangers-on, swelling their numbers to about 2-3fg.

Tonight I came across what seemed to be 2fg of LLaw (a first for me) and a whole zerg of hibbies at amg.

I say this not as a whine, but as a plea to save LLaw from the same ignomy of Nolby pride (who we all recall refusing to go anywhere unless in their 2fg and further 1 - 2 fg of hangers on).

Llaw, your reputation is good and richly deserved. As an excalibur player (not as an alb) I would respectfully suggest you don't risk diluting that reputation by leading a a zerg or mini zerg. Truth of the matter is you don't need hangers-on.

Midgard has been devastated by PVP and is for the most part a spent force in Excalibur.
Albion has been hit nearly as hard too (the dearth of clerics has been particulalrly hard).
Hibernia has suffered least from PVP because hibs have received lot of loving from Mythic and therefore have far imore incentive to stay with Excalbur (they also know the uberness of hibs in the future from the US experience).

IMO Excalibur is at a critical stage, teetering on the edge of collapse due to mids and albs leaving for PVP or DAOC altogether.

A hib zerg owning emain for the majority of the day is depressing enough, but a hib zerg being led by Llaw is just accelerating the end of the rvr side of this server 10 fold.

This thread is not meant as a whine or a flame but as a postive suggestion to sustain the longevity of this server. So please don't reply with flames or unpleasantness. I should also add that I've just come back from the pub and therefore please feel free to treat this thread as drunken ramblings

 

[old.Charonel]

the main reason you didnt see hib devastated by pvp like mid was that very few people who ORIGIONALLY rolled on hib did so becasue they wanted to be uber pkers, because back then hib was considered to gimped to bother with, for good reasons in some ways too.

and because of this a lot of our players werent exactly attracted to pvp anyway

althogh i agree, zerging is bad, thesedays though even mids dont usually get seen with less then 2fg's in odin's (only very recently though i may add) so it's kinda needed sometimes.

tbh i doutbt that hibs zerging is anything more than temporary, most hib players didnt roll for uber pkness, so dont tend to gank with overwhealming numbers whenever possible, most hibs i meet are far moreinterested in actually enjoying the fights.

on the other hand a lot of albs population was gained when they had a reputation for already having a population advantage, and if people join for that reason then figure about whether you'll get zergs or not, of course not all albs joined THEN, and you do get good one's, but of course, albs most certainly zerg too

and yes, i know you werent flaming, and even though this is the rvr forum, niether am I , just saying that if hibs have started zerging, look at why, the reasons are other relams zergs mostly, and THAT shouldnt be lasting too much longer from middy anyway, since sooner or later they'll get used to having an rvr presence again and we've been able to deal with albs before without constant zerging so we can go back to that after the mids calm down

so i wouldnt worry too much about it, wont last long (or shouldnt anyway)

 

[Ensceptifica]

Afaik, since Camlann opened, Emain has been kind of deserted of Albs and Mids. Same amount of Hibs still go there, but due to lack of opposition, they just roam around. Most Hibs I know refuse to move in more than 1fg unless the enemy has a bigger force. I know several guilds in Hibernia that often make a fg for RvR and move out, and they usually stay away from other groups as much as they can, not even joining cg's for Emain. There's even some Hibs who refuse to respond or help out if you ask them, simply because they want to do their own thing entirely.

In short: I don't see the NP effect happening to LA or any Hib guild RvR group at all. Actually the opposite seems to be the case.

 

[Lessurl]

Gerroff our larnd!! <waves his pitchfork>

 

[Aussie-]

if you dont see albs it's because we are bored of you hibs and mids.
it takes AGES till your pefect balanced group is ready.
some ppl get bored and log alt you know .

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
just saying that if hibs have started zerging, look at why, the reasons are other relams zergs mostly

wholly incorrect this time..
i was running as the LA bard for pretty much all night.. in emain, until alb had quite a few groups running together (3fg+).. ok, so hibs wiped them eventually (i (and my group of course) never assisted in this wipe), what followed: every (EVERY) hib group in emain began to camp AMG. (checked by /who emain and estimating the numbers at amg)

so, we (LA) decided to go and play in odins for a bit.. had some good fun, but the enemy dried up after a while and so we ported back to emain.. emain, breifine, and gorge was totally empty at this stage, due to 'large alb zerg' being reported on /as.

ligen was also empty, and i have no idea where the hibs were.

anyway, by this time we had about 4 extra people on, so fame came online to bard for the extra, and since they were only 5, we ran together.. =13 people

once emain starts getting cleared a little.. the hib groups start slowly arriving.. and a few.. perhaps 2 or 3.. groups run around like us, looking for the enemy, but the majority of hibs tonight simply sat their asses at amg or running back and forth from ATK/AMG.. it was even being spouted on /as everytime albs tried to make their way to AMG: albs inc to amg -xx fg..
cue every hib group making a run for amg to leech as much as possible..
half our guys decided to log after realising it was almost futile to do anything that might constitute fun in emain, and the rest went over to odins shortly after

afaik, LA has never agreed to run with another group unless it was to counter a superior force, and i always flat out refuse any such offers, unless there is some valid reason.. even if we DO get groups who tack in, this pisses me off so much i just run around in a large circle or around a tree until they piss off.. yes my group gets dizzy, but at least i won't be zerging..


to summarise: we pride ourselves on being able to go it on our own. we wont seek to beat the enemy in numerically unfair fights, if you bring 8, we'll bring 8, if you bring 2fg, we'll still bring 8 (unless its mids, then we'll bring 2fg )

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Aussie-
if you dont see albs it's because we are bored of you hibs and mids.
it takes AGES till your pefect balanced group is ready.
some ppl get bored and log alt you know .

Well if we get bored of trying to form it you can join Alpha and kill us as we journey solo

 

[old.Wildfire]

Sounds good to me I'm guessing the hibzerg was brought about by the conclusion of your prince/legion raid tonight, as the entire hib frontier was completely dead when my FC group decided to jack it in tonight. Got all the way to ligen without seeing anyone, then met a group right outside ligen who respawn zerged us fun tho

 

[nicky-nook]

OMG there is some fool talks more crap than me !..


Hurrah .
Regards Nicky

 

[Aussie-]

what WF says is 100% true. you fucking hibs just dont show up for hours, we even go search you in Ligen.
If you think you own emain with that zerg you make, guess again, you only bored us.
Oh well, it was time to make a pvp char anyway =)

 

[Khalen]

More people make more mistakes

 

[subski]

Originally posted by Strondor_New
I say this not as a whine, but as a plea to save LLaw from the same ignomy of Nolby pride (who we all recall refusing to go anywhere unless in their 2fg and further 1 - 2 fg of hangers on).

nice to see you know what you are talking about when u come here to post!

 

[subski]

Originally posted by Aussie-
if you dont see albs it's because we are bored of you hibs and mids.
it takes AGES till your pefect balanced group is ready.
some ppl get bored and log alt you know .

lol, all the time rvr has been at its highest @excal, it's always been mid or hib waiting for alb to find a 100 ppl zerg at atk before moving out so u should just stfu

 

[old.Xanthian]

Thing is like was said in the original post, you cant just tell groups to f**k off, when you dont want them following.

Armiger et Dementis also try to pride ourselves on NOT joining the zerg, and just skirmishing as a 1FG guild group.

Of course when Albs bring their 8fg to emain then zerging is required

But it pisses me off to see 40+ Hibs sat at AMG, eventually driving Albs out of emain or causing them to bring a bigger force, ruining the fun for all 3 realms.

TBH most of the zerging (other than Nolby) seems to be done by the "lower" realm ranked players and none lvl 50's.
Not a flame, just an observation.

 

[kameh]

From my time in hib it was fairly obvious that if a group spotted a full group of Llaw/vengeance/dark order they'd follow them around. You see it everyday and it's not the fault of Llaw etc that it happens. I suspect this was the same with nolby.

emain is rp farming for 90% of hibs, the rest actually want a good fight or piss off to odins to get away from the groupee groups I've noticed a lot more of the regulars on here showing up in odins lately, must be more fashionable

 

[dexa]

Originally posted by Aussie-
what WF says is 100% true. you fucking hibs just dont show up for hours, we even go search you in Ligen.
If you think you own emain with that zerg you make, guess again, you only bored us.

a tip: u CAN teleport the buffbot back to alb, there they also sell trips to a place called odin where u can search for "fucking" players...

 

[mastade]

hihi Dexa

 

[old.LandShark]

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on

 

[Fame]

hohoho
And to quote Outlaw; Take that 2fgs and shove it ^^

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by subski


lol, all the time rvr has been at its highest @excal, it's always been mid or hib waiting for alb to find a 100 ppl zerg at atk before moving out so u should just stfu

why don't you talk about something that's 10 months old?

:sleeping:

 

[Noche]

1. Albs nevah zerg. Therefor due to hibbies´ number we force em to form a big zerg since those honest albs never waste time trying to form a remotely viable rvr grp so they can have an excuse feeding us rps in low number and zerging us in high number and that´s not a zerg just tactics due to the gimpness of the realm.

2. Albs always move in 1fg and the history has proved us with more than enough examples about that, taggle along with another grps is not considered moving in more than 1fg (or 13 sometimes) since most of em r prolly afk or they r just following in "same" direction but nowhere close to moving "together" coz albs r honoured players respecced by all server.

3. Since emain lacks of hib/mid action, albs r forced to move in 1fg and then gather at mmg to do some camping (after taking diary way to crau and visit the lord with tea and pie) with 50 albs, but that´s not zerg and not albs´ fault! It´s all hib/mid´s fault! We should go and try killing em with low number and those good albs will fight back with their force to defend and farm rps in process.

4. Remember, it´s all our fault, we should have bind stone in crim/crau to go back as soon as we got beaten down by better tactics, /released and the rez sick´s purged by grp purge since it´s an overpowered skill and honest hibbies shouldn´t use it.

 

[Release]

Originally posted by Strondor_New
Nolby pride (who we all recall refusing to go anywhere unless in their 2fg and further 1 - 2 fg of hangers on).

Dunno about the rest of the post, but I can say that isnt true, NP prefer the 1/2fg, unless theres a mighty zerg somewhere then they will group with a larger force to wipe zerg, then 'try' to roam in small groups again.

 

[subski]

Originally posted by Aussie-


why don't you talk about something that's 10 months old?

:sleeping:

i suppose you are around 300 years old according to ur timescale then?

 

[Exiled]

people see a crowd and follow them, call us sheep

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Strondor_New
Llaw appeared reluctant to be seen in emain without first visiting crim or dc to pick up a few hangers-on, swelling their numbers to about 2-3fg.

ehm?

Originally posted by Strondor_New
Tonight I came across what seemed to be 2fg of LLaw (a first for me) and a whole zerg of hibbies at amg.

Like Saadyst said, we where 13 ppl running around emain. I know what situation you are talking about. We where running near Crauchon grogans when alliance chat said "alb zerg inc amg" and lots of ppl sent msg asking for help.

Just as you(albs) approached the wall we came and saw maybe 1-2 fg hibs camping amg, we rushed past them and thru the gates and ganked the albies so it might have looked like it was us "leading" the zerg.

Originally posted by Strondor_New
A hib zerg owning emain for the majority of the day is depressing enough, but a hib zerg being led by Llaw is just accelerating the end of the rvr side of this server 10 fold.

Trust me, nothing is more annoying then hib zerg in emain

 

[Strondor_New]

Re: Re: Llawby pride?

Originally posted by Wuren


ehm?



Like Saadyst said, we where 13 ppl running around emain. I know what situation you are talking about. We where running near Crauchon grogans when alliance chat said "alb zerg inc amg" and lots of ppl sent msg asking for help.

Just as you(albs) approached the wall we came and saw maybe 1-2 fg hibs camping amg, we rushed past them and thru the gates and ganked the albies so it might have looked like it was us "leading" the zerg.



Trust me, nothing is more annoying then hib zerg in emain

Yes i think we are talking about the same incident. Explanation accepted.

 

[Jiggs]

apologies then for the albion zerg this morning and afternoon

alot of alb were frustrated by saturday night and decided to group up 2-3fg in response

lets try and avoid this crap in future its actually pretty boring killing llaw or nolby or whoever when you out number them 2-1

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Jiggs
apologies then for the albion zerg this morning and afternoon

alot of alb were frustrated by saturday night and decided to group up 2-3fg in response

lets try and avoid this crap in future its actually pretty boring killing llaw or nolby or whoever when you out number them 2-1

I and my m8s have done some dualgrouping with LA in the past. and from the experience you'd really need like 3-1 to take them out.

oh, also, the dualgrouping has afaik been agreed by both groups.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

you guys surely saw our half assed attempts at running as one group all day today.. its getting slightly better, but we spent at least 4 hours running back to emain only to get beat down by superior numbers.

i blame me being tired

will go back to keeling all j0 albsion tomorro!

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by subski



i suppose you are around 300 years old according to ur timescale then?

learn to read. I didn't say it was 10 months old.