Live Buff Shearing feeedback :s, and focus shield

[vintervargen]

What are you going to use the 3rd cleric for? Might be a point in 1.69, but 3 clerics not very offensive really. The 3 healer setup in Midgaard means a lot more than healing, its the CC and Celerity too. Alb clerics will at best do a little interrupts with their AE smite...

Imitating the mid setup for albs doesnt work.

sos mate, i thought 3x BoF might be a good idea :E

do you have any idea how often i use my lvl5 ae root for interrupt?

and i guess you tried the setup i wrote right? before you say it sucks etc

 

[vintervargen]

what? it's true, you're spouting non-sense if you say you're active at rvr for 6 months on a druid in emain and haven't met a good mincer. It's also non-sense to say that you only know if someone is a good player if you play against them. You know a good support player when you play with them. When you say Mezzed and you're insta demezzed, when you say disease and you're insta healed, when you say pet and it's CC'ed. Anyone who reads your statements can see what stupid fluff they are.

AE smite for interupt? lol...

Anyhow, I think Albs going to have to come up with totally new groups that probably won't feature mercs... dunno what it is though

ok, i do not know how you play, but when im playing druid versus good groups, i have a hard time keeping track of what people our bard (blazie) interrupt, i have enough to do with healing rooting and interrupting myself. if i were to fight blazie tho, i would notice much faster if he is a good interrupter.

and yes, whats wrong with ae smite as interupt? as already said, do you have any idea how often i use my lvl5 ae root for interrupt?

 

[Flimgoblin]

aoe root is 2.5s casting time, is at 4 spec and costs 3 power to cast

aoe smite is 4s, is at 10 spec (most rej/enh clerics won't have that as it means sacrificing a resist buff) and costs 10 power a cast.

 

[Trubble]

that's not the point however, interrupts isnt necessary if you can do unhealable amounts of damage (read up)

The albion utility is spread out on so many classes that they have to give up good utility to get good offence and vice versa. Its an old song, and it hasnt changed much. I think we can call it a classic by now.

 

[Trubble]

sos mate, i thought 3x BoF might be a good idea :E

do you have any idea how often i use my lvl5 ae root for interrupt?

and i guess you tried the setup i wrote right? before you say it sucks etc

One bodyguard is a ton better than BoF. Not worth sacrificing group slots for more BoFs. 2 BoFs should be enough for emergency situations. BoFs are no longer the primary melee defence, Bodyguard is now. A tank in heavy armor with good defence spec and defence artifacts is not going to insta die. Clerics will have time to heal.

 

[Asha]

there is a reason that there isn't many smite clerics about
you have shit range
you have shit cast times
you have shit power usage
and ofc you do shit dmg but that isn't the point for interupting
anyhow.. if you play a cleric for a week you see how little use aoe smite is
Albions str was defense, it's true... and we're going to have to learn a new way to play or quit

 

[Vasconcelos]

Main problem here is that there is a new key ability in rvr necesary (like heals, speed or end): buff shearing/focus shield.
Albion, in order to get it must sacrifice 1 spot in their rvr in orther to fit an enhc cleric, n there is no way to do it w/o giving up either: healing power, damage dealing or interrupting capability.

- Mids just need to sacrifice a powerfull version of insta pbaoe disease (the drama ). They will still have the baseline purp AoeDisease.

- Hibs must give up 1 spot on their rvr setup, but even so: 2 reg druid, 1 nurt druid, bard, warden, hero n either 2 bms(now with min. 17% haste from nurt druid) or 2 pbaoers, will be a valid setup. Maybe less powerfull n handy than pre-1.69 but still valid throu my eyes.



Now lets play a little game:

Guess wich realm is....

a) fucked with 1.69
b) nerfed with 1.69
c) "Look! Mythic gave me a new tool to play with in rvr!" :wub:

 

[rvn]

and wich realm who will be needing 2 shamans

 

[Vasconcelos]

and wich realm who will be needing 2 shamans

Ok.

48 Aug Shammy
27 Cave rest Mend Shammy (there you have your insta pbaoe disease + some handy heals)
Pac Healer
x2 Mend Healer
Warrior/Savege/Skald
2 Savages

Like in the hib case, is a less powerfull version than your standard tank group (2 savages hitting targets with their stre/cons buff sheared, how funneh must it be)

 

[Jahar]

Yeh I guess its the killing nail in the coffin. This was the most stupid, unwanted stuff mythic could think up. Why not throw something usefull in high regrowth instead of nurture btw?

 

[Asha]

and wich realm who will be needing 2 shamans

none
not every group member needs end

 

[rvn]

if you ever would play something in midgar you will notice that we have conc based end regen, and that buffs cap at 16 buffs.

now you buff a group with 8 end buffs you have 8 buffs left to buff with, ie you can buff half of your grp, so 2 shamans will be required with clerics/druids being able to pull off your buffs.

 

[Jahar]

Shamans giving up "fluff" for buff shearing etc is nothing. They still got aoe dis castable or is it to hard for mids to actually cast something due to have everything insta or on conc?

This is really unneccery change and other realms wont be able to compete. But time will tell I guess.... that im right that is.

 

[rvn]

Ok.

48 Aug Shammy
27 Cave rest Mend Shammy (there you have your insta pbaoe disease + some handy heals)
Pac Healer
x2 Mend Healer
Warrior/Savege/Skald
2 Savages

Like in the hib case, is a less powerfull version than your standard tank group (2 savages hitting targets with their stre/cons buff sheared, how funneh must it be)

pure tank groups suck now with bodyguard. so grp would be:

shammy
shammy
mend/pac
mend/pac
mend/aug
sm
warrior
zerk/svg

 

[rvn]

Shamans giving up "fluff" for buff shearing etc is nothing. They still got aoe dis castable or is it to hard for mids to actually cast something due to have everything insta or on conc?

This is really unneccery change and other realms wont be able to compete. But time will tell I guess.... that im right that is.

no but haveing 2 shamans suck, since they heal for jack shit even with mend specc.

 

[vintervargen]

aoe root is 2.5s casting time, is at 4 spec and costs 3 power to cast

aoe smite is 4s, is at 10 spec (most rej/enh clerics won't have that as it means sacrificing a resist buff) and costs 10 power a cast.

yes i know the ae smite might be worse then the ae root for interrupting purposes, but there is a single version just like single root, and a baseline DD, that are great for interrupting. 3 clerics (no matter what spec) should be capable of interrupting enough.

The albion utility is spread out on so many classes that they have to give up good utility to get good offence and vice versa. Its an old song, and it hasnt changed much. I think we can call it a classic by now.

my point is that not always is utility = success.

One bodyguard is a ton better than BoF. Not worth sacrificing group slots for more BoFs. 2 BoFs should be enough for emergency situations. BoFs are no longer the primary melee defence, Bodyguard is now. A tank in heavy armor with good defence spec and defence artifacts is not going to insta die. Clerics will have time to heal.

we thought so too, but with NP healers respeccing to sojourner with the Forceful Zephyr ability, bodyguard is not as good as it can be (especially with the bugged? timers and dealys).

 

[rvn]

none
not every group member needs end

then you would have to add a skald, because running at only speed 4 doesnt cut it, and not being able to kite when needed etc purely sucks too.

also even if you only gave some of the ppl end

you would still have to use _all_ buffs on only speccs for grp

str/con on all 8
dex/qui on all 8

0 buffs left for end/piety

 

[rvn]

Ok.

48 Aug Shammy
27 Cave rest Mend Shammy (there you have your insta pbaoe disease + some handy heals)
Pac Healer
x2 Mend Healer
Warrior/Savege/Skald
2 Savages

Like in the hib case, is a less powerfull version than your standard tank group (2 savages hitting targets with their stre/cons buff sheared, how funneh must it be)

both would have to be high aug,

one 48aug, other 43aug, so he can buff end/ specc buffs too.

still very poor healing from a shaman/warden/friar they dont even get specc grp heal

 

[vintervargen]

pure tank groups suck now with bodyguard. so grp would be:

shammy
shammy
mend/pac
mend/pac
mend/aug
sm
warrior
zerk/svg

now this would be the group #2, less dmg but more interrupts.

dont know if it will work vs grapple, but it sure gonna be hell for healers to face 2 shammys t.t

 

[Jahar]

well you only need the 2nd shaman to rebuff after the fight. U get the rpz, loose almost 0 util during the fight. You have the option to run with 1 shaman and be fully pwning in combat, unless u get sheared at the start guess mid fight buffing can be handy. But this is really an unwanted change and add 0 to the fun being a healer. Well see I guess but frontiers new landscape and keeps wont save ppl from quiting cuz they get owned 24/7 due to the now another unbalancing and unfair patch from mythic. Albs cant compete on the same ground. Mids fair the best from this change as they dont actually need to sacrifice any class to stay viable. Hey they can even run 2 healers tbh if 2 shamans as u say will req. to buff in mid fight. Frontiers will fuck up the balance even more because overall mids have more util in less classes compared to other realms. Looks like the game is going bye bye.

 

[rvn]

you still have to have 2x shamans 43+aug if you dont want to run to mpk after each fight.

 

[Asha]

you still have to have 2x shamans 43+aug if you dont want to run to mpk after each fight.

what do you do now when you get several deaths?
I guess you don't have casters before toa so it didnt' matter so much (intel buff) but still I am not crying for you. Post your best mid group and best alb group post 1.69 and it's obvious.

 

[rvn]

I guess you don't have casters before toa so it didnt' matter so much (intel buff) but still I am not crying for you.

no because casters sucked before toa.

and 43aug has allways been the best specc on a shaman, 42 for end5, and red heat resist at 43aug.

43a,31c,10m

 

[Asha]

no you miss my point
I was thinking you have to go back to mpk pre-toa to rebuff already so why talk about it like it's something new but then I thought well no cause you didn't have casters in mid groups pre-toa so you had less buffs (no intel) to do. So maybe you didn't have to.

We albs almost always had to do that so it's not really something I think about. We don't go back every fight, but you start to feel it fast with sorc dex not capped. It will be nice to be free of bbots.

Still say post best alb/mid groups and you quickly see where it's at.

 

[rvn]

now with only 1 person dieing, or so we dont have to go rebuff, but even if we win flawless in that patch we will have to go rebuff cause we will loose our buffs, comprende?

 

[Vasconcelos]

both would have to be high aug,

one 48aug, other 43aug, so he can buff end/ specc buffs too.

still very poor healing from a shaman/warden/friar they dont even get specc grp heal

so?

You end up with an aditional interrupter (base purp aoe disease, base single root, dots) buff shearer with focus shield, and some backup crappy-gettho heals. Would be laughable if he were also be able to do spread heals....
---->However your group is still able to deal very good damage (2 savages, 2 sms or wotever you wanna include here)<----


Hibs must insert a 3rd druid, albs must fit a 3rd cleric (none dunno how yet ). Both of em are redundant and give nothing to a group besides buff shearing n focus shield.



Each patch Mythic releases i feel more likely typing Y E S

 

[Asha]

and btw don't shamen get 20 buffs like clerics/druids
I have a 35 shammie but tbh I only play duo... I don't remember ever hearing shaman have only 16... but I will take your word for it

and if you end up with having to have 2 shamen in group QQ two focus sheilds, oh no!

 

[rvn]

yeah well im not going to qq about it, but the fact it all realms loose dmg slot that patch, and yes my bb only got 16 buff slots, with being ml6, should have 20 according to mythic but still cap at 16

or hm, its a bugg apparently, possible to buff 20 buffs total, but when you try to buff your 21th, it says, can only buff 16 bllaba. tested this just now, so nvm

 

[Asha]

ml6 ?
I guess you mean mlvl4 and 20% + to conc.
it doesn't affect how many buffs you can cast, just how much con you have... still hard capped on 20.
I still get a msg saying: you can only cast 16 buffs, but I am casting 20. It's been like that for a LONG time. I am guessing shammie casts 20 buffs...

You drop dmg yes, but you gain alot for it. I dont' think you're seeing what a pain debuffing and focus shield is going to be...

 

[Jahar]

well its gonna be quite boring for all parts if mids turn out to be even more over the edge. How fun is it to always win? I always do .. I can tell u its not that fun in the end.

No wait I loose some I win some... game is fun. But if the situation will be like we speculate ppl will loose intrest in the game and move on, which ofc affects every part.