Sex Liquid-ity?

[Scouse]

OK. It's neither about sex nor the best liquids used during... Sorry

I don't suppose most British people, including our lawmakers, would therefore have much of a clue that agreement has been reached on the most important global initiative.....[that'll] have an effect on the price and availability of credit....

if you can find me many stories in the past few days or months that matter as much, then I'll acknowledge I'm living on a different planet from you...

So if you felt there had been something of a democratic failure here, you might have a point....

You might also ask where our MPs have been while unelected central bankers and regulators have trampled on territory that they would surely regard as their own....

By 'eck. All those 'conspiracy theorists' would be spooging over the front pages at this, if they were allowed their $0.02.

In light of this, does anyone care to comment on the state of our democracy?

To be fair, I'm expecting comments of 'tin-foil-hatter' variety....

So, the question I'm really asking is this:

Given the fact that a small bunch of very very rich men run the whole world - wouldn't it be a better world if they just 'fessed up' to their run-the-planet-shenanegans and told us what we were working towards instead?

 

[throdgrain]

Christ I suspect I've agreed with Scouse twice now, what is the world coming to

(I expect it's only cos I cant hear your accent )

 

[Ch3tan]

Yep, I'd prefer it if those pulling the strings just declared themselves as our masters and overlords tbh. save a lot of pointless fluff.

 

[Zenith.UK]

In light of this, does anyone care to comment on the state of our democracy?

To be fair, I'm expecting comments of 'tin-foil-hatter' variety....

So, the question I'm really asking is this:

Given the fact that a small bunch of very very rich men run the whole world - wouldn't it be a better world if they just 'fessed up' to their run-the-planet-shenanegans and told us what we were working towards instead?

"Our democracy" is just window dressing for the people who make decisions that affect all of society, and make those decisions behind closed doors.

As for fessing up about run-the-planet stuff, my personal opinion is that these people are aiming towards a totalitarianism where even reproduction is regulated and licenced. Think of the movie Gattaca as a blueprint for this. Once there is a general concensus for regulations amongst most of the world's countries and nations, the aim will be to drive down the world's population to 2-3billion people. These 2-3 billion will be better off than the majority of people in the world today, but maybe not as well off as current western societies. It'll be a bit of communism, with a bit of democracy, and a lot of technology.

Aldous Huxley had the idea in "Brave New World" and that was written nearly 80 years ago. He beat George Orwell with 1984 by 17 years.

 

[Scouse]

Reading Brave New World right now actually...

 

[Chilly]

cant have all the double alphas collecting the bins tho

 

[Zenith.UK]

cant have all the double alphas collecting the bins tho

That's what the deltas and epsilons are for.

 

[rynnor]

Peston is really up himself - and in this case its nonsense since there's been a number of stories on the liquidity rate but it obviously wont be high up in the news because A nobodys dead and B it involves maths.

Imho the rate was set way too low - its largely a non-story in the UK as all our banks are above the value set.

We all run the world but as most people are lazy and un-interested we tend to abdicate our decisions to others - hence its the big pension funds that pretty much rule.

 

[Scouse]

Firstly ryn, it's not about liquidity. That's just the headline for the thread

Imho the rate was set way too low - its largely a non-story in the UK as all our banks are above the value set.

Actually, I think this makes it very much a big story.

The most important story of the day is that the UK, which already had reserves above those agreed in Basle, has failed to protect the public from extreme financial fallout.

The wheels fell off Capitalism. It failed. Totally.

The solution? Fleece the public, hit reset and carry on as normal.....

 

[Jupitus]

Yep, I'd prefer it if those pulling the strings just declared themselves as our masters and overlords tbh. save a lot of pointless fluff.

Ohhhh... alright then! It's me!

Can one of you lend me a tenner?

 

[old.user4556]

The solution? Fleece the public, hit reset and carry on as normal.....

A fair amount of the public wanted a slice of the action though, it wasn't like the banks were forcing money into people's hands.

 

[rynnor]

The wheels fell off Capitalism. It failed. Totally.

The solution? Fleece the public, hit reset and carry on as normal.....

What exactly have we lost? We gave some guarantee's which wont be needed and will make a few billion when we flog the banks we part nationalised?

The reason we are currently screwed is due to gross overspending by New Labour despite what the Trade Union idiots keep spouting.

 

[Scouse]

What exactly have we lost?

/gibson ON

Our freedom!



But aside from that, you don't think swinging cuts, massive job losses and reduced social services forever, at a grand cost of higher taxes, isn't losing anything?

I'm not personally losing anything I'll miss (or even know I'll miss) - but that doesn't preclude me understanding the losses on a social level.

The financial dire straights we're in has been the biggest news story this decade - it's not like anyone's denying there's a very serious state of financial affairs. So how are you managing to be so obtuse?!

Do you think a couple of hundred billion of overspend by Labour is anything but a blip on the global refinancing effort/scam that's going on right now?

Local concerns weren't really the point of this thread anyway :|

 

[rynnor]

I think you've been arguing with Toht too long because you now seem to be turning into him which is a shame because you used to argue quite logically.

Every time I answer you you seem to shift the pitch which is classicly Toht - have fun because I find that style very boring so I'm out.

 

[mr.Blacky]

'tin-foil-hatter' is right

Capitalism hasnt failed imo. While I understand most commies/anarchists would like to believe that.. unrestricted capitalism has failed tho, but it is still the best system we, as humans, have come up with. Socialist/communistic systems just dont work.

As for the article didn't the labour gov turn the system to the technocrats when they were elected? So that it wouldn't be abused for short term political favour?

So what is your solution Scouse?

 

[ford prefect]

I'm afraid if I was a member of the Bilderberg Group, I wouldn't want to "fess up", too much hassle. Let the politicians take all the flak, tis easier that way

 

[Scouse]

Stuff..

It was uncalled for to call you obtuse m8. Sorry about that. However, the rest of the post still stands

In fact, I'm pretty fucking narked right now. Have been for about a week. Probably why I piled into you (you had missed the point tbfh). But I'll choose someone else...


mr. Blacky - hate your post

For a start - Capitalism did fail. Financially. That's what the big crash is - a failure of a self-perpetuating-debt system. (Well, you could argue it's designed, but that'd be very generous). It's other failings are obvious and legion.

Secondly, you presume a criticism of capitalism means a support of socialism/communism. There's no such support here. I also can't come round to the thinking that capitalism, as a system, is "the best we've come up with". Those who are capable of changing it could only do so to their personal detriment, so there's no impetus to change.

Also, "asking" me for a solution to the whole world's problems is weak. It certainly doesn't mean that there isn't one.



Edit: I realise I've not actually said anything here. Just shat on a post. But that's the mood I'm in. I may try to be constructive tomorrow....

 

[cHodAX]

Your are a scouser, go rob something, that will make you feel better. You can't fight genetics man!

 

[mr.Blacky]

I realise I've not actually said anything here. Just shat on a post. But that's the mood I'm in. I may try to be constructive tomorrow....

hehe why should you

As for thinking you are socialist/communist/anarchist well your post indicated it and previous post (if you wouldnt post so much i might have been able to find it)

big crash = banking crisis? Sorry but the system has been through worse. No its not a perfect system but its the best that we humans have been able to come up with. The main reason why is that is that humans are lazy! If there is no point to improve yourself how many would do so, I dont think that there are many.
self-perpetuating-debt system? how can you blame a system for the choices of some.

 

[Scouse]

Well, aside from how you define improvement, the obvious slap is this:

self-perpetuating-debt system? how can you blame a system for the choices of some.

Debt isn't a "choice". It's a result of the way we make money in our economy. I'd go into a long post but bird's just phoned