Lighttanks of exc

[Olgaline]

going to give it a go with fg rvr on my savage hence.....

6L2
Det5
Mop3
Str2
dex2

need the last 2 since i'm a dorf..

 

[Ging]

Did some basic tests last night

Det 5 merc with capped resists (no aom) and stoiacism - no bb or friar resists

Baseline sorc mezz (red) from a split spec sorc = 10 sec CC
Insta pbaoe mezz form a 40 smite spec cleric = 2 sec CC
Castable stun (cleric) = 0.5 sec CC

Merc RR7L0

Det5
Charge 2
MoP3
AoM 2
1 point spare

 

[Yurka]

how much duration% did that sorc have, calaclya?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Cant you just /addrps 20.000.000 ?

no, I just say that to impress the laydeez

(I can get RR11 on the test server i suppose doesn't do me much good on excal)

 

[Ging]

how much duration% did that sorc have, calaclya?

not sure, its Maramar's sorc so its prolly gonna have JS or Enriys so can expect at least 6%

 

[Belomar]

Baseline sorc mezz (red) from a split spec sorc = 10 sec CC
Insta pbaoe mezz form a 40 smite spec cleric = 2 sec CC
Castable stun (cleric) = 0.5 sec CC

Fucking-A. Game over, man, game over.

 

[Eregion]

this new determination is nothing else then retarded imo

 

[Dorin]

det 5 and charge

mythic being retarded again

 

[Flimgoblin]

bodyguards might be useful now...

cept they're all banelord vampiirs who can just cast through it

 

[Alithiel]

this new determination is nothing else then retarded imo

This is how they should have fixed it in the first place. The change in Det from OF to NF was a double nerf, increased points cost AND reduced effectiveness, where only one or the other was needed.

 

[Calo]

3 healers
1 shaman
2 bl zerkers
2 bg savage's

Hf stopping them

 

[Dorin]

This is how they should have fixed it in the first place. The change in Det from OF to NF was a double nerf, increased points cost AND reduced effectiveness, where only one or the other was needed.

yep, but seriously looking at the current light tank

caped sists 26% + 16% resist buff atleast
stoicism 25%
determ 5
charge
purge

i mean we are at the point where tanks are immune to crowd control, which no matter how we twist it is not good.

 

[Olgaline]

tanks have det, casters have moc ..whats so wrong about that ?
just remove charge

 

[Flimgoblin]

tanks have det, casters have moc ..whats so wrong about that ?
just remove charge

high RR tanks have det
high RR casters have moc

everyone else is screwed

 

[Kanim]

high RR tanks have det
high RR casters have moc

everyone else is screwed

haha 30s out of 10 mins compared to perma pwn for tanks, makes mucho sense! + tanks suffer no dmg decrease for using charge/det.

 

[Flimgoblin]

haha 30s out of 10 mins compared to perma pwn for tanks, makes mucho sense! + tanks suffer no dmg decrease for using charge/det.

someone else said "casters have moc" I was just clarifying that it takes 30+ rsps for these abilities to be any use

 

[Olgaline]

high RR tanks have det
high RR casters have moc

everyone else is screwed

RR5 is high rr now ?

 

[Flimgoblin]

RR5 is high rr now ?

used to be you could have some other abilities too by the time you get to RR5

It's not low RR anyway, it's about middling I'd say.

Doesn't take long if you're in an uber wtf pwn gank group farming the zerg, however the rather large number of sub-rr5 chars around suggests it does if you're not.

 

[Olgaline]

haha 30s out of 10 mins compared to perma pwn for tanks, makes mucho sense! + tanks suffer no dmg decrease for using charge/det.

must be annoying that tanks actually have a chance of reaching you now instead of being insta rpts

 

[Lethul]

det5, mop5, str3, dex3, aom3, lw1 on Mumin

 

[Olgaline]

used to be you could have some other abilities too by the time you get to RR5

It's not low RR anyway, it's about middling I'd say.

Doesn't take long if you're in an uber wtf pwn gank group farming the zerg, however the rather large number of sub-rr5 chars around suggests it does if you're not.

thats true, however det4 63% at 20pts is preatty deasent at least til you get to around rr6'sh, the det+charge combo seems kinda over the top for me tho :/

 

[Belomar]

must be annoying that tanks actually have a chance of reaching you now instead of being insta rpts

If you seriously think tanks were "insta rpts" to casters before this change, you need to sober up.

 

[elbeek]

must be annoying that tanks actually have a chance of reaching you now instead of being insta rpts

And, lo in the morning, when I did awake from my slumber, I realised I had soiled my bed.

 

[gwal]

having a bit of a hard time seeing why they actually upped determination, not like light tanks spent an unreasonable amount of time CCd before with charge and purge.

 

[Olgaline]

my point is not all tanks have charge.!
thus for us that dont, the new det is a welcomed change

 

[Belomar]

Remove Charge altogether and keep the new Determination as it is. Thus Heavy Tanks will be more competitive compared to Light Tanks.

 

[Eregion]

This is how they should have fixed it in the first place. The change in Det from OF to NF was a double nerf, increased points cost AND reduced effectiveness, where only one or the other was needed.

And instead you got the oh so balanced charge, now you have both. That is where the problem is now. This new determination value is just too high.

 

[Alithiel]

This new determination value is just too high.

No, this new determination value is just about right... a tank will be CC'd (assuming no other immunities) long enough for a caster to get out of melee range and get off a couple of nukes, but not so long that the caster can get to max range and nuke the tank to death before the tank can catch up.

Charge now becomes a 'get away from the boring grapple spammer for free!' card...

 

[Leel]

I tested the new det 5 with my bard and Wonderer. Bard got 20% spell duration, and the mez lasted 6 secs or so. That's fucking sick.

 

[Silverblast]

Remove Charge altogether and keep the new Determination as it is. Thus Heavy Tanks will be more competitive compared to Light Tanks.

Agree