Legion and Relic Raid

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Azal
Jup actually no, i went to sauvage to kill albs because emain gets boring. The fact that none of us could get in the cg or could get a reply out of anyone meant the rest did what they felt like.

And I didn't die the whole time i was there, actually logged back in there this evening.

Try harder

edit - in fact you might as well give up trying until you can at least some up with something you didn't just entirely make up. Much easier

Hmmm ok... you didn't die. Well done. I think I have said on several occasions you are a very good technical player which that backs up nicely (that Dragon drop of yours does alot of damage!).

The fact remains the same though. You knew that there was a relic raid on, but because you couldn't get into the chat group, you ignored that fact and as a guild went off doing different things, instead of trying to back up the guys at Excalibur.

Now... you tell me... is that all made up?

If you want to be in another alliance one day, wouldn't it be wise to at least try to lead your guild in cooperating with the others? Just a simple question, old bean

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Jupitus


Hmmm ok... you didn't die. Well done. I think I have said on several occasions you are a very good technical player which that backs up nicely (that Dragon drop of yours does alot of damage!).

The fact remains the same though. You knew that there was a relic raid on, but because you couldn't get into the chat group, you ignored that fact and as a guild went off doing different things, instead of trying to back up the guys at Excalibur.

Now... you tell me... is that all made up?

If you want to be in another alliance one day, wouldn't it be wise to at least try to lead your guild in cooperating with the others? Just a simple question, old bean

Lets see

I don't use a dragon drop
I knew blej was trying to organise a raid but couldn't get a reply from anyone of any use except 'cg is full'
I didn't ignore anything, I went to for. sauv regardless and when I was almost there finally got a reply from someone.
My guild didn't know what was going on because noone could get a reply or a cg invite so they went off to do whatever the felt like, they actually did go to excal when we found out something was going down there.
I did tell them blej was trying to sort a raid out but that was all the info I had, and I wasn't getting any replies from blej on the subject.

So yes, it was all made up. Try again.

If you want to be in another alliance one day, wouldn't it be wise to at least try to lead your guild in cooperating with the others? Just a simple question, old bean

You mean the way they didco-operate the minute someone actually found out wtf was going on. Funny that huh


Try harder.

 

[old.Hellskor]

The Chatgroup that was used for the Relic Raid was the same as the one that was used during Legion Raid though.
Was there only one Warder in that chatgroup ?

 

[kalgarn]

hmm azal,i was leading that cg and i only got a msg from you just before i logged around eleven.it was full at that time but we were allready on that raid planning it for a while.it was just after EoO took beno.so i find it kinda strange that you didn't asked for a cg earlier cause it was the same cg from legionraid and we started planning it just after the legionloot was distributed.

 

[Azal]

Kal

I had to relog after the legion raid and then sort the loot out, after that despite sending you 5-6 tells the only reply I actually got from you was 'cg is full'. It may be the only one you saw, but it wasn't by any means the only one I sent you. And yes others were in the cg during the raid too, but couldn't get back in after relogging or didn't try to get back in.
I believe Kephan was in the cg for a while after I relogged but didn't know anything more than I did about what was going on - Unless he cares to correct me - he seemed as supprised as I was to find out mids were at Excal.

 

[Blood]

I was in the cg with Blood from even when we started to go out and take keeps for the legion raid (started by shabish), and when the legion was dead, Blood returned to hugin (thanks to some group members taking a short cut trough some very aggro mobs), i logged on Bloodied who was already in sauvage, and joined the cg with him (cg was now lead by kalgarn), and continuisly gave scout reports of albs entering sauvage (funny how albs (1-2fg) started to pour into sauvage while middies were still inside mpk).

When running around almost alone, with lots of enemies around, i usually dont have time to read guildchat + groupchat + chatgroup, so i was completely unaware that warders were crucial missing info.. still i think its a bit odd there was only room for 1 warder in the 50 man cg

Edit: actually kalgarn, i think a special cg was made bethween the guildleaders where they discussed who was to get what loot

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by Azal


They didn't know about the relic raid that's the whole reason they went to emain instead. If your going to try and stirr up crap at least try something decent mate

Ask Rudor.
As i even got many pm from him cause he had other ideas how relic raids like that are suppose to be run.
Even at svasud i think i even told we where going to relic raid.
That noone from warders know that we where going for relic is simple bullshit. Perhaps u didnt talk about in gu that i can tell but i am sure more then 1 know we where gonna go for relic probelly that group rudor was in also as its pretty common that ppl discuss should we go to alb? Naaa lets go to emain instaid.
Thats my view of it anyway.
But like i said i dont CARE if ppl dont show up, thats their choice if they wanna help out sure they come if not what can u do? Nothing simple as that. So just need to try to focus on postiv things and that was those ppl that helped out those who went to emain instais was only negative. But their choice.
Its a game and suppose to be fun.

But warders did know if u can share info, thats another story.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Azal
despite sending you 5-6 tells the only reply I actually got from you was 'cg is full'. It may be the only one you saw, but it wasn't by any means the only one I sent you

Hmm... ok... you tried very hard to get into the chat group

he seemed as supprised as I was to find out mids were at Excal.

... you were 'suprised' to hear that they were at Excalibur? Sorry Azal, but that puzzles me. I'll explain why.... you may not have known that there was a relic raid on, but you suspected it strongly enough to make 5 or 6 attempts to get into the chat group, and then you tell us you were suprised that the mids were at Excalibur.

Ok... so alot of my posts here have been educated guesses. I'd therefore like you to explain which is the truth:

a) You didn't know that a relic raid was on, hence your suprise later, and you were trying to get into the chat group (the fact that it was full not giving you the slightest hint that something big was going down) out of mere curiosity

or

b) You did know that a relic raid was on, but got pee'd off at not being able to get into the cg for it, so decided to go and do your own thing rather than take your guild along to help...

I'm sorry Azal... I'm not a vindictive person, but your inconsistencies appear alot like squirming after the event. I was at Excalibur, and I can tell you it was a commendable effort by your realmmates, and one which may have been successful with a few more people available. I believe you are lying... again, that's just my opinion but the mixed up presentation you give regarding trying to get into the cg and then being suprised to hear about a relic raid has too much of a stench about it for my liking.

Bullshit is the smell I sense.....

 

[Rudor]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus





Ask Rudor.
As i even got many pm from him cause he had other ideas how relic raids like that are suppose to be run.
.

I didn't tell you how a relic raid should be done..
We talked about that the cg should not be all the guys that have a high position in mid, it should be one from (groupleader) each group on that way info spreads alot faster and better then some1 run around and use /y blablabla..
There is allways ppl that run around after raids and ask whats happens now?. nothing happen ppl sui and raid end even if the "Guys in charge" have another plan but rest of ppl don't know a shit.

And when i said this to u blej the only thing u said was
Ffs do it better self..
Well i dont say i can do it better i just give u some info that mebbe should work better so more ppl know what is going on.

And i think most of the warders knew that a relic raid was planed.
But lack of info made that no1 cared about it..

Im might understand why guild left the nemesis alliance if the other ppl that comes with idea's was treated on same way.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Jupitus

a) You didn't know that a relic raid was on, hence your suprise later, and you were trying to get into the chat group (the fact that it was full not giving you the slightest hint that something big was going down) out of mere curiosity

Omg you finally got the message then.

I was trying to find out what was going on, but a lack of reply from anyone and not being able to get into the cg made that rather impossible.

Of course I knew something was going on. But how exactly is someone trying to find out going to get anywhere if noone that does know what's happening replies? unless there's a Telepathy RA that I don't know about what exactly am I supposed to do?

I'm glad you finally managed to get the point though, just a shame it took so long.

P.S. You know when your in a cg and you have to re-log you ask for an invite again? that is normally what people do. Especially when the cg was originally made for the Legion raid that I organised.

Jumping to one conclusion is normal, jumping to a whole string of them based on a series of 'fact's that are pretty much entirely 'educated guesses' is kind of sad really. Especially when they are all wrong.

 

[stu]

I like the way a friendly, congratulatory and generally optimistic thread from Hellskor managed to get turned into a flamewar between "our gracious and noble leaders".

gg, wp

 

[Jupitus]

Stu,

sorry... largely my fault for dragging this down to the depths... as I said previously it was a brave attempt and it's fun to get some good RvR going in places other than the Emain zerg. I just felt that someone ought to point out some of the inconsistencies in Azal's tale on behalf of some of the shyer realm mates you might have in light of some of the other recent events in Midgard's alliance structure (and yes sure, I do follow this closely )

Azal,

so at last we are clear then. My apologies to you if your level of deduction is so low that in a situation where:

a) you already had a strong idea that a relic raid was on

b) you tried to get into a chat group you suspected was for the relic raid

c) the chat group was full indicating a minumum of 50 people active somewhere

d) you were in Sauvage 'all night long without dying' with death messages all over and probably a decent amount of lag too, I would venture

you are still 'suprised' to find out that mids are attacking Excalibur. I had previously credited you with more intelligence and therefore the ability to piece these kind of clues together to draw what would have certainly been to me the obvious conclusion, but I was clearly mistaken.

My bad, sorry.

Toodle pip.

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Azal
Jumping to one conclusion is normal, jumping to a whole string of them based on a series of 'fact's that are pretty much entirely 'educated guesses' is kind of sad really. Especially when they are all wrong.

Do not take him so seriously man.

Should've just smiled at his sarcastic comments in the beginning and ya'll would have saved your fingers form a lot of typing, and your minds from alot of irritation. I could be wrong but i sense some irritation in the cables here

And Jup, why do you even bother? Im puzzled

I feel bad that i started this whole thing by saying that warders didnt know. I tried to explain later that I was speaking for myselfe, and that it was _I_ who didn't know because nothing was said in guildchat. Until you, Azal said it. And for the record you seemed honestly surprised when you found door1 at 50%. Quote: "I only found out becase of the death spam [from uberguards]".

So please lets all tone it down abit and hopefully, in the near future, get on with peacefully killing eachother.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Freia
And Jup, why do you even bother? Im puzzled

Hi Freia-the-number-three-on-my-list (tm) ()

... I am thinking of changing realms and I want Midgard to be cooperating fully before doing so. I am also hoping that Azal will get so angry as to accidentally tell me all his secret details... his spec, the weapons he uses, the styles he employs, tactics and methods... I want to be as hard a hitter as he is one day....





... oh... and because I can say things about him that alot of Middies are thinking, but are too polite to say

Go figure, my friends

Toodle pip.

Jup.

 

[cenestra]

Originally posted by Jupitus

... I am thinking of changing realms and I want Midgard to be cooperating fully before doing so.

LOL!!!

yeah come over to MID Jupi ... I will happily show you all the best places for you to xp ..( Cene takes lvl 10 Jupitus to go kill Malmo Mobs ...hehe ) ... and then i will stand next to you and make sure that you dont die ... (Cene turns away as lvl 10 Jupitus gets molested by Drakulv Executioners ... then turns round and says in surprise .. ' Noooo ... Jupi!! what happened ?? .. Real sorry i must of lagged for a minute there!! ... lol )

Hehe ... Keep up the good work m8 .. and next time i see you anywhere expect an arrow to wing it's way towards you ... ofcourse it will be sent with love and only with the express purpose of giving you a friendly hello ... lol

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Jupitus

Hi Freia-the-number-three-on-my-list (tm) ()

Weee
I have yet to ever see you I think (or even death spam from you or anything) but i look forward to it.
I have 13 bubs to go for my final ding(tm) so by monday I should be out there in my new shiny epic armor looking for ya.

... I am thinking of changing realms and I want Midgard to be cooperating fully before doing so.

Awww. But.. but.. first brannor then you, where is this gonna end? We need someone to kill out there

.... but then it kinda firugres. I didnt know that.

hmm, btw are you really serious?

I am also hoping that Azal will get so angry as to accidentally tell me all his secret details... his spec, the weapons he uses, the styles he employs, tactics and methods... I want to be as hard a hitter as he is one day....

Lolz
Did you see that Azal? Dont get upset or you might get some really badass competition in the future

 

[old.Khain]

So what i can gather from all this is the following

1) If its a realm wide RR once the CG is full we should not bother in joining in.

2) If you know their is a RR but thats all you know, you dont bother telling your guild about it.

Its lucky that the ppl that do go onto your thing your planning Azel dont act the same......

after all your bitching in /as about ppl not going on them to.. tut tut, but i guess you are SO SO SO SO SO important that it you have a god given right to be in the CG. also guessing you where solo to

 

[old.Hellskor]

<holds up a sign reading "STOP!">

there's a special thread for flaming : http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35617

Now let them people post in peace if they knew or didn't knew about the raid.
Even though it seems that nearly all guilds had people there.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by old.Khain
So what i can gather from all this is the following

1) If its a realm wide RR once the CG is full we should not bother in joining in.

2) If you know their is a RR but thats all you know, you dont bother telling your guild about it.

Its lucky that the ppl that do go onto your thing your planning Azel dont act the same......

after all your bitching in /as about ppl not going on them to.. tut tut, but i guess you are SO SO SO SO SO important that it you have a god given right to be in the CG. also guessing you where solo to

Hey brains, a) it wasn't a realm wide RR, it was a raid that blej was trying to plan, that some of us couldn't get any info about from anyone therefore are supposed to do what exactly? maybe goto sauvage anyway like I did ?

b) i didn't know there was a relic raid on, what I did do was tell the guild over GU what I had been told which was all the info I knew.

I mean christ just how fucking stupid are you? can't you read? or are you really just that stupid you read the whole 2 pages of this and totally missed the point of it ? or let me guess, you didn't bother to read any of it and just jumped in to get on the bandwagon and posted some utter drivel making yourself look stupid?


Lets recap, I told over GU everything I knew, when I got totally no response at all I went over there anyway and let everyone in guild know the second I found anything out at all and your saying thats wrong that I didnt? god get a clue, and a brain while your there.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Azal



Hey brains, a) it wasn't a realm wide RR, it was a raid that blej was trying to plan, that some of us couldn't get any info about from anyone therefore are supposed to do what exactly? maybe goto sauvage anyway like I did ?

LOL, it was spontaneous, there was no planning.

You've contradicted yourself a hellofalot in this post mate, arguing on a public forum about silly things like this is also dragging public opinion of you down even further than it already is. Just let it go and play the game.

Jup, you shit stirrer!

 

[thorungla]

Great night on the beers, cant beleive this post is still going on, zzzzzzzzzz.

My perspective on the evenings event:

1. Legion raid, planned, nice and simple, a success.

2. Usual hanging about post legion raid with no info about what the 'zerg' is doing next.

3. Died with group and Blood when group decided to solo about 4-6 purp con big fellas.

4. Released and hung about chatting in Hugin, heard about a possible relic raid, no further info.

5. Confirmation of a relic raid from Az when he went to investigate Albland to be greeted by death spam.

6. Little further info beyond death spam for maybe half an hour till raid was over and 1.5 doors were down.

Now please let us return this to Hels potentially productive post if it werent for the usual post hijakers and flamers.

Quote:
"Question now is, did your guild attend to the raid ? If yes, how did you like it ? Any suggestion for improvements ? If no, why not ? (not going on a raid lead by <insert name>; didn't know about etc.)"

"Just wondering how inter-realm communication worked this evening."

1. Did Warders attaned the raid? - No

2. If no why not? - No info confirming a raid was happening until the main force was already at Excal and dieing.

3. Hows inter-realm comms working? - Imo, it is ok, but obviously still needs improvements. And now my first comment to the last 2 pages of flaming. There was abviously not 50 groups on the relic raid so there were excessive ppl in the /cg. Keep it simple grp leaders and officers only. If your in a group and you have no information - ask your group leader to tell you whats going on or replace them.

My god, think Ive typed something coherant under the influence. Hell, if I can be rational drunk, surely you all can be sober. Now I suggest all the sensible people post productive info here for Hels and othere Alliance officers to take on board and discuss. Laters.

 

[Jupitus]

oooo... I do believe he is starting to get angry!!!

Yes I am a shit stirrer.... reason given above.... I think I point out alot of things that others in Midgard would love to say


Hey!

TEH EEEGOSMURFF!!!11111 (tm)

Come hit me!!!


Sure I have a brain... and a fair degree of intellect too, thank you.

I applied it to the information available and came up with a fairly solid opinion... and guess what, you call me brainless!

Hmmm... maybe I should post a poll on this....


By the way... what 'bandwagon' are you talking about? Is there someone flaming you elsewhere and I missed it?




Love it

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Jupitus
oooo... I do believe he is starting to get angry!!!

Yes I am a shit stirrer.... reason given above.... I think I point out alot of things that others in Midgard would love to say

Oh hi Jup. Now I have seen you. Face down in the cold snow of Jämtland Mountains. Moahah.

Anyways....

Do let it be. Please.

And tell me one thing, how exactly do you think this private little flaming between you and Azal is going to achieve any of the goals amongst the "above reasons". ? (the goal that made me laugh does not count)

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by Rudor


I didn't tell you how a relic raid should be done..
We talked about that the cg should not be all the guys that have a high position in mid, it should be one from (groupleader) each group on that way info spreads alot faster and better then some1 run around and use /y blablabla..
There is allways ppl that run around after raids and ask whats happens now?. nothing happen ppl sui and raid end even if the "Guys in charge" have another plan but rest of ppl don't know a shit.

And when i said this to u blej the only thing u said was
Ffs do it better self..
Well i dont say i can do it better i just give u some info that mebbe should work better so more ppl know what is going on.

And i think most of the warders knew that a relic raid was planed.
But lack of info made that no1 cared about it..

Im might understand why guild left the nemesis alliance if the other ppl that comes with idea's was treated on same way.

Bullshit.
I said like never like "ffs do it better your self" or so.
I said more perhaps better you set it up and sutch
I also think i explain why not only Group leaders are in cg, cause i get like constant spam hey whats going on who have cg and ALWAYS like that. and i listen to ideas always, otherwise i would no talked to for like 5min? Or what is was. I cant understand how info can be spreaded if only group leaders are in cg then if for example 3 ppl are in that cg from every group.
Sure if none from a group are not in cg = bad
but is almost easiest to spread to /gu and if noone from that guild in cg then its more bad. But stop talking crap and tell that i said "ffs do i better self" I hate lies and always will.
AND that is a lie. If u want to talk about me or something like that at least tell the truth. And of course i rather someone fixes then your self. Kinda simple to understand imo. So if u want to get stuff changed, do your best perhaps make cg.. Start the raid..
And yes i have a "known" name but still doesnt mean i like to organise and so on

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Freia


Oh hi Jup. Now I have seen you. Face down in the cold snow of Jämtland Mountains. Moahah.

Anyways....

Do let it be. Please.

And tell me one thing, how exactly do you think this private little flaming between you and Azal is going to achieve any of the goals amongst the "above reasons". ? (the goal that made me laugh does not count)

/Wave

Which do you want? You ask me to let it be, then ask me a question... oh I am soooo confused!!!

I'll leave it Freia... and yes, I was joking .. Albion through and through, I am

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Jupitus


/Wave

Which do you want? You ask me to let it be, then ask me a question... oh I am soooo confused!!!

I'll leave it Freia... and yes, I was joking .. Albion through and through, I am

Yeah right Jup, you want to join us in Midgard but you dont have the guts to take the final step.

 

[old.Khain]

Originally posted by Azal



Hey brains, a) it wasn't a realm wide RR, it was a raid that blej was trying to plan, that some of us couldn't get any info about from anyone therefore are supposed to do what exactly? maybe goto sauvage anyway like I did ?

b) i didn't know there was a relic raid on, what I did do was tell the guild over GU what I had been told which was all the info I knew.

I mean christ just how fucking stupid are you? can't you read? or are you really just that stupid you read the whole 2 pages of this and totally missed the point of it ? or let me guess, you didn't bother to read any of it and just jumped in to get on the bandwagon and posted some utter drivel making yourself look stupid?


Lets recap, I told over GU everything I knew, when I got totally no response at all I went over there anyway and let everyone in guild know the second I found anything out at all and your saying thats wrong that I didnt? god get a clue, and a brain while your there.

lol your leadship skills and methods true show on the thread.

Yes i read the whole thread.

Azal your ego just does not match your ability.

 

[Rudor]

Whatever Blej ..
Gonna take a look now if i might have it in my loggs..
Well mebbe u didnt said "FFS" but u sure did say "do it better self" ..
and if u say u dont like lies and dont say u said that, ohh man i feel sorry for ya ..

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by Rudor
Whatever Blej ..
Gonna take a look now if i might have it in my loggs..
Well mebbe u didnt said "FFS" but u sure did say "do it better self" ..
and if u say u dont like lies and dont say u said that, ohh man i feel sorry for ya ..

sure check your loggs.
and like i said or atleast i think i said
I have np with ideas, but for example you didnt show up on the relic raid cause why? Eh you dont like how things getting "runed"
And the question is what are you doing to make it better then.. Telling others how it should be.
Instaid of doing it your self.
Good move.
And yes i dont like lies and i dont lie about things either.
Say what u want but i know i dont lie about stuff.
Never been a person like that and will never be one either.
Sure sometimes you can "forget" about things.
But would not lie with purpose to save my own skin anyway.

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
<feels another flaming fest coming up>

NonononoNO !

Don't start another flaming fest in this thread !


Sometimes I think people don't -read- posts, but scan for flameable content.

Truer words have not been spoken on this forum.