Legion and Relic Raid

[old.Hellskor]

This evening Mids went for Legion and afterwards on a spontanous Relic Raid.
We did surprisingly well, even if we didn't have many rams.
1st Door down, 2nd at 50% last time I was able to check.

But I bet there were quite a few more people on the Legion Raid than on the Relic Raid. Well, workday afterall.

Question now is, did your guild attend to the raid ?
If yes, how did you like it ? Any suggestion for improvements ?
If no, why not ? (not going on a raid lead by <insert name>; didn't know about etc.)

Just wondering how inter-realm communication worked this evening.

 

[Yussef]

You bastards!

Someone had said you died at Legion, we had a raid planned there. Got there and the kebab was gone!

Lucky for you he popped 5 minutes later

Was going to look for Beliathan but you relic raided, bastards

Our zerg got there and you were dead, bastards

 

[Piffany]

Was a fun evening, though the way down to Legion isn't much but /stick and AFK for a healer in anything but a "high-power" group. Legion went down fast. Really fast. In fact by the time I had found and targeted Kephan in the middle of the zerg and had started healing, I noticed the xp message (I was out of range from the drop spam). Took me a bit to realize it was already over

As for the relic raid, well... For an entirely unplanned, mindless and very zerg-like raid it went far beyond any expectations

However, seems it was pretty much the bowmen and master wizards (especially the master wizards) who killed us - the knights didn't give much trouble and apart from the the Smite Brigade on the battlements (whom some thane happily mjolled once after I mezzed them) the defenders didn't even try - and the Alb reinforcements arrived to find a lot of corpses and an open outer gate. But we did show what zerging can accomplish

Oh, and epic armor makes RvR a lot more enjoyable when you're always getting aggro from every damn bowman

 

[ulukin]

personally thought the night went very well, and even though a lot of ppl that were at legion raid didnt attent the RR (as you said weeknight) for an unorganised attempt and whith only one alb keep taken, all involved did a great job.

and whats more, when we died, for the first time ever on a RR I only heard constructive critisicm instead of "FFS! why dont ppl listen" or whatever which was kinda nice.

seemed to me like we all went for midgard, and did ourselves proud

 

[old.tuppe]

was sleeping nicely in own bed, know legion raid but early wakeup and decision is easy, bed<->legion=bed

 

[cenestra]

Think the raid went really well all things considered If we had taken a few more rams with who knows we might even of been sucessful

It was good to see 'Us Middies' finally pulling together and working as a team again

I have one criticism however (just a small one) ... at one point i saw 3 healers laying dead by the doors ... and there was 2 shammys and one healer stood happily near them, 1 shammy casting AoE spells and 1 busily attacking doors and shouting 'Heheh .. look at me im mid's greatest shammy/tank!!' .. (was quite amusing to see) and the healer was just stood there doing nothing much ( could of been regenning power though for all i know) but wouldnt the 2 shammy's of been better helping the raid by rezzing the healers? Just a thought

Anyway as i said I think the raid was a sucess and it was damn good fun .. lets have more like that

 

[Old Nicodemus]

For a spontaneous raid it was good.

Have to agree with Cenestra though, lots of dead healers lying around and even though someone was yelling for the healers to be rezzed not much was happening.

Saying that though there was enough confusion going on for them to be forgotten, the Wizards and the overpowered smiters (one smite registered over 700 damage on me in one hit) probably were keeping some peoples mana bar very low.

All in all a good show. I think all the alliances were represented. Which is good.

Nicodemus

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Piffany
However, seems it was pretty much the bowmen and master wizards (especially the master wizards) who killed us

... hmm... that's kinda odd.... I was there knocking SBs off the wall and even in just a group of 4 managed to get several 1000 RPs, so I don't think it was ALL down to the NPCs, do you?

Over 50k now and climbing, thanks guys

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Question now is, did your guild attend to the raid ?
If yes, how did you like it ? Any suggestion for improvements ?
If no, why not ? (not going on a raid lead by <insert name>; didn't know about etc.)

Just wondering how inter-realm communication worked this evening.

I was in malmö on the quest for my last 1X bubs. But I didnt even know of the raid until Azal said he found out by accident because of the deathmessage spam. So um, I think you forgot to tell Warders, or someone in warders forgot to tell it in guildchat. Hopefully we will join an alliance soon so there will be no need to tell us separately. But as of the current situation, please do (not that the Malmö ppl would have let me leave or anything
... but anyways

 

[old.Hellskor]

Hmm, well, the idea of the Relic Raid formed during the Legion Raid, and since Warders were there with 2 (?) Groups, they should've known like the other guilds that were down there.

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Re: Re: Legion and Relic Raid

Originally posted by Freia


I was in malmö on the quest for my last 1X bubs. But I didnt even know of the raid until Azal said he found out by accident because of the deathmessage spam. So um, I think you forgot to tell Warders, or someone in warders forgot to tell it in guildchat. Hopefully we will join an alliance soon so there will be no need to tell us separately. But as of the current situation, please do (not that the Malmö ppl would have let me leave or anything
... but anyways

Warders did know.
Azal i think even know him self.
He was in the cg i think or most have been at least 1 more warder that was in the legion cg, and then we yelled and stuff like that, that we where going for relic. And i got even private msg from a fellow in warders. But most went to emain instaid.
So freia your guild did know, but many went to emain instaid, but hey if they think emain is more fun its their choice. But every man is nice to have on relic raid.

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Hmm, well, the idea of the Relic Raid formed during the Legion Raid, and since Warders were there with 2 (?) Groups, they should've known like the other guilds that were down there.

Ok, <shrugs> like i said i was in malmö.

This brings something to mind tho.

When standing in pk hadrians (or pk emain or so) and you want ppl to show up. Try looking around and check the cloak emblems around. Try to remember what cloaks you usually see and give a tell to those that are missing.... Just a little suggestion to help inter-alliance comms.

Edit: Please note i wasnt speaking for my guild in my earlier post, i was just doing what hellskor asked for and told why i wasnt there

 

[Azal]

I was told there was a raid being formed but I couldn't get in the cg because it was full (for a good 60 minutes supposedly) and noone replied to any sends, until I saw the death message spam in For. Sauv from the Excal NPC's I had no idea at all what was going on or had been planned other than blej was 'trying' to set a relic raid up.

Which is when I told the rest of warders

And Warders went to emain because none of us had a clue what was going on because after relogging I couldn't get a cg invite then I was told it was full.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Azal
And Warders went to emain because none of us had a clue what was going on because after relogging I couldn't get a cg invite then I was told it was full.

... so they went off to sulk in emain instead of going to back up the relic force anyway

I really must stop my stirring

 

[old.Hellskor]

<feels another flaming fest coming up>

NonononoNO !

Don't start another flaming fest in this thread !

It doesn't matter that much who was there (would've been nice) or not (not so nice, but not the matter of now).
It's about how we handle the new alliance(s)-situation.
As this is relative new, we should start right at the beginning to spot flaws in it, and take steps against it.

Sometimes I think people don't -read- posts, but scan for flameable content.

 

[Ottar]

> If yes, how did you like it ?

Was not too bad.

> Any suggestion for improvements?

Aside from too many people from Legion raid not showing up in Hadrians, one of the problems still remains to be maintaining momentum.

During the raid we had THREE prolonged periods of waiting.

1. At Hadrian’s PK. Waiting for more people. That can’t be elliminated but we did have a force together from the Legion raid. How many ports did we wait stragglers for? 4? 5? That is surely excessive.

2. After taking Beno, the EoO force there waited for 10+ minutes for no apparent reason. Shabish with the main force was supposed to move out as soon as we passed MMG an move on to Sauvage. We passed MMG, arrived at Beno, took it, moved out of it and found that the main force was only them moving through MMG. They should have been in Pennines already. We then waited for that 10 min. Should have moved out asap, max 2-3 min after everyone had gathered at the outer door and moved on to Sauvage.

3. Third long pause was in Sauvage, near Excalibur. Again, we waited for quite a long time for no apparent reason. By that time, we already had 5 defenders reported in Excalibur and it was quite likely general alarm had already been announced in Albion. Every minute then counted.

All in all, if we had managed to elliminate all that unnecessary downtime, it would have been like 15-20 minutes. With that, few more rams and a group or two more people, we would have stood a pretty good chance.

Ottar

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Sometimes I think people don't -read- posts, but scan for flameable content.

... actually I do both, but I prefer the latter

Sorry, I'll go away now...

<mumbles something about not being appreciated>

Toodle Pip.

 

[Freia]

Mr. Ottar,

Im beginning to see how you earned the title Professor

Another bad thing about downtime is that ppl gets de-motivated (especially when they dont get to know whats going on, which has been the case on 100% of the raids i've been on) and also the downtime stands for a great deal of what make raids feel boring which in turn gets less ppl to show up next time. I have said all that before (in Nobrots "its all a matter of attitude" thread i think).

Also, 15-20 minutes? With 4-5 ports you'd have to add a multiplier or two to that number.

Anyway, can we get this to another forum?
The two alternatives i know about are New Era and Eye of Odin forums. I say the first one of these two (sorry i dont know any others) that sets up an apropriate all-midgard-planing-and-tactics-discussion forum wins the honour to host such discussions. Race starts now!

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor

It doesn't matter that much who was there (would've been nice) or not (not so nice, but not the matter of now).
It's about how we handle the new alliance(s)-situation.

Which is what i tried to address, please forgive me if I made it sound in any other way.

Anyways, get on with setting up an apropriate forum ppl, the race is on!

PS. If there already is a forum where ppl _from the whole realm_ discuss things like this please forgive my ignorance (and also tell me why this thread is here )
PPS. If there already is a forum where ppl _from the whole realm_ discuss things like this, please get me an account.
PPPS. If there is no forum where ppl _from the whole realm_ discuss thing like this GET TO IT! RACE IS ON!!!



Edit:PPPPS. Bonus points to anyone who copies this whole thread to their forum where ppl from the whole realm(tm) can discuss things like this.

 

[old.Ayam Ganbatte]

Legion raid I had no idea of.

Relic raid I stumbled on by accident because I usually head to Forest Sauvage for some stalking.

Nice, simple tactic got us very far through the doors. Thumbs up for an impromptu effort.

Also, I wasn't in the main chat group, and was relayed information very well from our group leader, Zog.

Waiting for the stragglers is always boring, though. The danger of waiting for stragglers is that other people will turn into stragglers to minimise their waiting time if they know we're so forgiving of straggling. Normally on raids that leave late, I'll be fine for the 20 minute wait but then as soon as we leave I go linkdead, which is another annoyance on top of the waiting.

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Jupitus


... so they went off to sulk in emain instead of going to back up the relic force anyway

I really must stop my stirring

They didn't know about the relic raid that's the whole reason they went to emain instead. If your going to try and stirr up crap at least try something decent mate

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Azal
I had no idea at all what was going on or had been planned other than blej was 'trying' to set a relic raid up

You said it yourself.

Fact:
You knew Blej was setting up a relic raid, but you couldn't get into the cg.

Supposition on the part of Jup based upon reading plenty of these kind of threads recently:

You got the arse because you couldn't get into the cg to issue your orders and take over the running of the raid. You sulked and went to emain instead of saying 'well lets get there and at least see if we can help on the ground somehow'.

.... well.... just an educated guess....

 

[trigali]

ooooooooooooooohhh !

That must hurt...

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Jupitus


You said it yourself.

Fact:
You knew Blej was setting up a relic raid, but you couldn't get into the cg.

Supposition on the part of Jup based upon reading plenty of these kind of threads recently:

You got the arse because you couldn't get into the cg to issue your orders and take over the running of the raid. You sulked and went to emain instead of saying 'well lets get there and at least see if we can help on the ground somehow'.

.... well.... just an educated guess....

He shoots! He scores!

 

[Jupitus]

... actually, come to think of it I seem to remember you being killed in sauvage around that time.... again, just supposition... you died in sauvage as you camped the road from CS, then because you weren't in the command cg you couldn't order a minion to come rez your ugly butt, and because your alliance has fallen apart your /asend would only fall on deaf ears.... therefore you had to release only enflaming the situation and making you sulk even more.....



... now that's a flame

Of course... guess I've made a bit of a target of myself now

 

[trigali]

Man, you sure know how to make friends

 

[cenestra]

Originally posted by Jupitus


... actually I do both, but I prefer the latter

Sorry, I'll go away now...

<mumbles something about not being appreciated>

Toodle Pip.

...Awww Jupi ... i appreciate you .. you give good rp's !!! LOL

Hmmm... think it might of been you who killed me On the raid ... will NEVER forgive for that!! ../em must remember no more /kiss next time i see Jup dead anywhere ... lol )

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by cenestra


...Awww Jupi ... i appreciate you .. you give good rp's !!! LOL

Hmmm... think it might of been you who killed me On the raid ... will NEVER forgive for that!! ../em must remember no more /kiss next time i see Jup dead anywhere ... lol )

.... Awww Cenesti.... don't be like that! If I did it must have been a mistake, with my DOT doing a bit more damage than it is meant to... I only wanted to knock you off the wall, you know

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Hehe I have to own up to being one of the peeps that didn't make the relic raid.

I was still at work when we took down Legion: long day at the office and was just chilling while I waited for a colleague to finish what he had to do. Fortunately he took just long enough for us to finish off Legion.

It was lagtastic and I deliberately stayed out of cg because I didn't know how long I'd be able to stay i.e. had nothing to offer except some firepower and Junior. Was nice to see debuffs working on Legion and I was able to nuke and lifetap him.

The Legion hunt got going relatively quickly, was nice to see lots of peeps from different guilds/alliances showing and tbh this was the main reason I showed up, even though I knew my time was limited.

When I log on again. I'll need another Legion raid to rescue me: I think I'm in one of the chambers very near the Big Uglee himself.

 

[Azal]

Jup actually no, i went to sauvage to kill albs because emain gets boring. The fact that none of us could get in the cg or could get a reply out of anyone meant the rest did what they felt like.

And I didn't die the whole time i was there, actually logged back in there this evening.

Try harder

edit - in fact you might as well give up trying until you can at least some up with something you didn't just entirely make up. Much easier