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[Nattrún]

I've rolled a hunter, and I love it.

I've only taken it to level 12 yet, since I'm planning on mostly playing together with a friend and our schedules don't always match, but let me tell you that in my opinion this hunter, so far, -rocks-.

At level 12, my main solo con is orange. Yes, you read that right: I rarely solo anything below orange con. I can chain-solo RED mobs three or four in a row before I have to rest. I'm not buffed(other than my own Beastcraft self-buffs), and I don't get any healing inbetween pulls.

Granted, I'm using a crafted bow and spear, but still.

 

[ormagaa]

I suggest all Hunters go 50 spear

 

[ormagaa]

btw That was my first post ever on Barrysworld,
so therefor i welcome myself, and look forward to many interessting discussions wit you.

 

[Driwen]

lvl 50 spear is imo bit to high. Unless you are a dwarven hunter (mb norseman) always in a group and the healers know you exist . Know a mate who went 50 spear and keept on dieing, cause lil kobbie with spear = lower hp than that 20 feet troll hitting you . So dead kobbie and didnt get much heals from healer, atleast she said so . Now i dont know her groups, etc. However hunter should spec now in 4 lines and taking one to 50, means one of the other 3 is left behind . But thats just my opinion.

PS: welcome ormagaa to this forum

 

[Felakin]

Well well! now i'am confused but i will do a hunter for sure!
Even though they seem to be unappreciated before they hit level 50! And the leechers should get deleted from the surface of the planet!

 

[soth-zorena]

Originally posted by vesta
so what you are telling me is that im useless because i can do better than most classes solo?

Well if im not "needed" in grps rvr related or anything else item hunting etc, cuz this is what i get from you, then wtf does stealth classes exist?

Well if thats the issue, then since we are a solo class and its better for us to run around solo, which sometimes is boring as hell, but you obvioulsy dont give a fuxk about that.

Fine then all stealthers should stop sending you information about enemy whereabouts. Maybe then you would actually start to appreciate our classes. In keep raids who is killing archers on the walls for you? Who is giving you information about how many is parked inside the keep?

Sry Zorena id expect more from you.

Well ...if you are an sb or hunter you can always group with other hunters or sbs.. so if you think its boring do that you get groups easily i would assume, and really if you wanted to group maybe you should consider playing another class for rvr?

And if the hunters and sbs dont wanna send me information anymore well life sucks.. I just wanted to tell how i feel.

Vesta, I've seen you in emain once or twice dont even know you so how do you know me, or say what to expect from me?

I've grouped with hunters and sbs fyi both in lair and rvr I can't say i feel like they do that good on average.. The best type in emain is the one of the sbs who keep standing guard for me and kill of enemy infils who trying to jump me.

 

[Driwen]

I as hunter managed to pull agro off from skalds, they might not have been spamming their dd's much dont know. But they did use taunt and i just spammed my lancer/lunging thrust move ( lancer = any time move, lunging = follow up move on that). Hunters do actually good damage with their spear, problem is that no one actually knows this. Except the few invaders who feel the pointy stick hitting them .
About hunters/sb's grouping in RvR, if you want some stealth protection. They are handy and I think thir damage is reasonable high .

 

[vesta]

Originally posted by soth-zorena
Well ...if you are an sb or hunter you can always group with other hunters or sbs.. so if you think its boring do that you get groups easily i would assume, and really if you wanted to group maybe you should consider playing another class for rvr?

And if the hunters and sbs dont wanna send me information anymore well life sucks.. I just wanted to tell how i feel.

Vesta, I've seen you in emain once or twice dont even know you so how do you know me, or say what to expect from me?

I've grouped with hunters and sbs fyi both in lair and rvr I can't say i feel like they do that good on average.. The best type in emain is the one of the sbs who keep standing guard for me and kill of enemy infils who trying to jump me.

If you want us to kill infilts that try to jump you then why dont you wanna group with us?

You need us but dont wanna admit it?

Yes im a SB proud to be it and i love it, its just so sad that most ppl like your self, i would have added more here but i dont want to insult you nor your guild, consider us as loners. Loners we are yes but why cant we join the "fun" and run around with regular teams?

Yesterdays RVR proved that the realm need us SBs more than ever. WE took out the CS for YOU (meaning the regular troops)
WE throw ourselves in the line, climbing into 100+ albs knowing that the second we hit its only a matter of time b4 we die, but we still do this for the good of realm, and STILL you dont like us??

And oh zorena u grped with SBs at lair dont tell you shite about our class, just because some of them didnt know how and when to detaunt, doesnt make our class unneeded in regular rvr.

But then again you are 100% entitled to have your own opinion about us.

And stealth zerg sux more than the regular alb tactics ok? Dont wanna be lame cuz there is no skillz in zerging.......

 

[natal]

to hunters that wana lvl in malmo

Just start u own grp or just get up ealy and join malmo when it starts. I went though lair in a weekend (45-50) i just got up ealy and said i could me lk easy

so after 3 days i was 49.8 and did my epic and then i did the BIG ding and was 50

so hunters just offer to be the lk

 

[soth-zorena]

I was listkeeper in lair.. and had sbs and hunters in my group yes.
That was not the point.

I see sbs and hunters are great tools in defending and attacking keeps but the useuall emain rounds I do everyday I dont another in my group who have weak defence.. I would rather have a thane warrior(slam) or berskerer(yber dmg).

Its like this for some jobs cave shamans are great like keep defence or stand offs with their dot and desise, but in rvr they can't really use ae spells like that because when i play healer in emain Im the only one who ae spells in the group.

 

[redknapp]

Originally posted by soth-zorena


Its like this for some jobs cave shamans are great like keep defence or stand offs with their dot and desise, but in rvr they can't really use ae spells like that because when i play healer in emain Im the only one who ae spells in the group.

You already upset the Hunters, dont start on the Shams!!!!

From what I have seen, the thing that kills me most in large scale RvR is arrows, so I can only assume that our archer type is just as good as anyone elses archer type.

As for Hunters in the lair, they as well as SBs dont really perform very well there. Dont get me wrong, they have a vital role in our frontier, but in a mob-pull situation they generally dont hit hard enough to hold the agro off the casters. That is why they are not liked very much in lair groups, because Hunter on a order mob = dead SM/RM/Healer.

With SBs its actually the opposite, they tend to hit so hard that they instantly attract the agro and then dont have the defensive capability to survive it, meaning a loose mob.

Sb and Hunter are vital parts of Midgards arsenal, its just that the Lair, with its highly structured approach and group structure, does not really suit them.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by redknapp
As for Hunters in the lair, they as well as SBs dont really perform very well there. Dont get me wrong, they have a vital role in our frontier, but in a mob-pull situation they generally dont hit hard enough to hold the agro off the casters. That is why they are not liked very much in lair groups, because Hunter on a order mob = dead SM/RM/Healer.

Hunters can hit hard enough to keep the agro off the casters. Hunters wont hit as hard as warriors or zerkers, but they can hold their own for damage. Just because everyone thinks hunters suck, they give us very little buffs which makes the difference in dmg output even worse. The problem for a hunter is that once he got the mob on him, he got studded with very lil hp and only evade II to save him.
Hunters are good at doing damage and I am actually able to get mobs off healers/rm/sm (as hunter). However once i have done that and the mob is purple I will be dead in 3 or 4 hits, so we arent the best class to take the agro. However for the damage we do we are ok. Just let hunters be there to do extra damage and help when healer suddenly gets agro. A hunter can hold the mob on himself, but that will be risky for himself and the casters as he cant hold out long.

 

[Avena]

Originally posted by soth-zorena
no in rvr.. i dont want hunters or sbs in grp.. they are solo better for them and me.

Nothing personal here at all, I've been told serveral times hunters should not group.

They are skirmishers can group with afew people who can stealth and send information to others.

Just my thoughts.

Stealth and send information to others? too bad See hidden ruins that for me....

 

[Avena]

Originally posted by redknapp

As for Hunters in the lair, they as well as SBs dont really perform very well there. Dont get me wrong, they have a vital role in our frontier, but in a mob-pull situation they generally dont hit hard enough to hold the agro off the casters. That is why they are not liked very much in lair groups, because Hunter on a order mob = dead SM/RM/Healer.

When I was at lair I used a style that taunts m8 sorry but I can't see why a hunter with high spear can't taunt has anyother class? I know evade 2 is not a good think but we can't ignore 1 or 2 classed from PvE just because they aren't good there, but you need at least 1 of those classed for RvR? this is just silly imo.

 

[Brevis]

When I lvled at lair I took my fair share of deaths for the collective. My normal tactic was to stand alongside the healer/shammy mezzing/rooting. Any of those failed he would have an angry drakulv with a razor wanting to shave his ass coming for him. Then you whack the drakulv with a taunt and remove your weapon again and pray to god that the healer/shammy remezzes the mofo.

At lvl 50 with 39+11 spear I do consistant dam of 200-400 each swing with my spear on yellow con mobs, dont tell me that is not good dam?!

But what I have seen is that rogues (both hunters and SB's) dont know their limits in an exp grp. They will keep hitting even after they get aggro. That means a dead rogue fairly fast if you are fighting purple mobs. Get aggro, put your weapon away or have detaunt ready is all I can say.

 

[Derianna]

Originally posted by soth-zorena

I see sbs and hunters are great tools in defending and attacking keeps but the useuall emain rounds I do everyday I dont another in my group who have weak defence.. I would rather have a thane warrior(slam) or berskerer(yber dmg).

Its like this for some jobs cave shamans are great like keep defence or stand offs with their dot and desise, but in rvr they can't really use ae spells like that because when i play healer in emain Im the only one who ae spells in the group.

Well i must say- very nice attitude.
I have nothing against balanced group but over balance i prefere friendship. And i would never say no to SB just to take Zerk instead of stealther.
But it seems that there are different priorities.

Regards,
Deri

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by redknapp
With SBs its actually the opposite, they tend to hit so hard that they instantly attract the agro and then dont have the defensive capability to survive it, meaning a loose mob.

Actually, it depends on the lvl of the SB more than anything. At lower lvl you have SB hitting hard but has low evade skill, but as they tipp over lvl 40 they are getting better and better. In addition they will get higher dex/qui and hopefully better buffs = higher chance of evade. At lvl 50 a fully buffed SB has better defence on orange/red mobs than any other char in Mid.

Nowadays I always taunt (not to be copied by lowbies) unless were talking Legion. I solo easily red and low purps with my Shaman, so the lvl on the SB, dex/qui + buffs playes a huge impact on defensive skills.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Derianna
Well i must say- very nice attitude.
I have nothing against balanced group but over balance i prefere friendship. And i would never say no to SB just to take Zerk instead of stealther.
But it seems that there are different priorities.

Regards,
Deri

Couldn't agree more.

 

[belth]

Valkyn savage with 49 savagery with selfbuffs+shammy buffs > SBs in defense

 

[old.Kapteeni]

Originally posted by belth
Valkyn savage with 49 savagery with selfbuffs+shammy buffs > SBs in defense

lvl 37 evade shout cap's evade so 49 isnt needed fot that, dunno about parry

 

[soth-zorena]

Originally posted by Derianna
Well i must say- very nice attitude.
I have nothing against balanced group but over balance i prefere friendship. And i would never say no to SB just to take Zerk instead of stealther.
But it seems that there are different priorities.

Regards,
Deri

True but i prefer guild over other mids.