Lagstrafing, working as intended...

[Iceforge]

Sulphur accusing ilum of BUG abuse. Now strafing isn't bug abuse, but it using poor mechanics of the game as been previously stated. Sulphur is making an accusation of cheating/CoC breaking and therefore that is a different matter from using a very annoying tactic, that may be valid but can be seen as unfair depending on your view. However it is not bug abuse which is a WELL KNOWN fact and therefore the mighty Sulphur that knows everything would know this and thus talking about something else.

Well, if you only use the diffinitians given by GOA/MYTHIC, you are right, but in my book, (lag)strafing from harm = unfair advantage = bug abuse, and well known fact my a**, sorry to be rude as i agree with the rest of your post completly, but your abusing the system if you think everything is just right if someone as clueless as GOA/MYTHIC states so instead of listening to common sense/morals uke:

 

[Saggy]

Please tell me where i've told 'people' how unskilled they are. Don't be getting so stressed Dreami.. I know GCSE's are a hard time in any lads life.

How exactly is Ilum a good player? No offence to the guy.. He gets his RP's but hes not skilled in any way. Oh and a bug abuser on top of that!

Cheerio

It's perfectly fine to say "who are you then when you can tell ppl how unskilled they are while nobody knows who the fuck are you" instead of "who are you then when you can tell him how unskilled he is while nobody knows who the fuck are you" if that was your point.

As for flaming because of poor grammar, well, it would be nice if people write as correct English as they can - easier for us non-English people to understand. Then again usually the problem is that English people dont understand correct English and start flaming

I would like to see /face and /stick removed from the game anyways as it means no skill involved in staying with your enemy. running is pointless as no matter how much you try evasion the chaser will always be right behind you.

Removing /face would be quite big nerf to Albion really Landing the first non-insta mezz could take quite long time (Mids can use Insta AE stun and Hibs AE-Amnesia while trying to cast the castable mezz).

As for strafing, well, I never used it in RvR (in purpose not to get hitted) because I thought its a bit lame but calling it bug-abuse? There is something to counter most things in Daoc - maybe /stick and /face are made to be countered by strafing and running through?

 

[Corran]

Well, if you only use the diffinitians given by GOA/MYTHIC, you are right, but in my book, (lag)strafing from harm = unfair advantage = bug abuse, and well known fact my a**, sorry to be rude as i agree with the rest of your post completly, but your abusing the system if you think everything is just right if someone as clueless as GOA/MYTHIC states so instead of listening to common sense/morals uke:

it is well known by the rvr community. and do i like it. NO. Do i use it? Yes, sometimes. Why!? because it used against me and causes my group to die if we dont give the same treatment back. Unfortunately now days it needed to level the playing field with alot of enemies. 90% the fights some WILL run through me. I fail my cast. they go for rear positional. Now. If they make me fail constantly my spells i will stafe around them to make them fail their positionals and get oov just like i do. Is it fair? Yes as im playing by THEIR rules.

Dont use your advantage over a cast by trying to run through me, i wont use strafing to be oov! Simple solution that. But you know people dont play fair so the moment they do it to me in a fight they get it back.

I dont like doing it, but then i dont like losing and if it such tactics making us lose then it leaves no option.

But as we on the subject. what you think about just running in small circles round the enemy without using /stick to do so!? you just running and turning, not using game mechanics, but you still get the OOV message as much as if /stick and strafe!

 

[old.windforce]

so alll agree with the lameness of it but wont stop using it just because u can....

i never "lag strafed"
not even once
think i am the only one not having a clkue how to do it and cba to look it up

 

[Tomtefan]

The solution to lagstrafing isn't advanced really in reality it's quite simple... Currently the DAoC client has the primary decision of where the toon is supposed to be (lagpulls etc are when the server tries to guess where the client was intending to go and then the client regains sync with the server and the toon jumps back to it's previous position).

Currently strafing is something that the client/server synch algorithm cant handle as soon as it gets only a slight amount of lag then the server starts guessing where the circle-lagstrafing mofo was heading and it keeps going out/in of sync causing the toon to become almost impossible to actually /stick without getting out of view several times and so on.

How to actually solve this you might ask yourself?

You simply give the server the ability to decide a toons true location if a client starts lagging then it should just repeat the last movement command given (such as strafe left then sure your client keeps on strafing left and stick will still be in synch due to that stick synchs with the server so there can be no out-of-view from that at least). Instead of the client deciding where the toon should be, it should just be sending out packets to the server of where it want to go and then server responds by moving the character.

The downpart about this is that players with high latency to the server will be slightly more penalized then other players however I personally think that is a small price to pay if lagstrafing is to be fixed. If the server would have the final word in the position of the character then /stick would be flawless against strafing. Also people who are stunned wont lagghost away either with this change as the server would acknowlegde them being stunned thus and it wont try to move them.

 

[Ethild]

After reading this thread, the impression most users seem to give out is one of:

"Yeah I don't like it, but as others do it, that makes it ok and im going to do it to them!".

Does that mean (for example) you are all a bunch of radar users too? I mean you might not like it... but others do it? right?

 

[Ilum]

After reading this thread, the impression most users seem to give out is one of:

"Yeah I don't like it, but as others do it, that makes it ok and im going to do it to them!".

Does that mean (for example) you are all a bunch of radar users too? I mean you might not like it... but others do it? right?

Radar = illegal
Strafing = just lame

 

[Ethild]

Radar = illegal
Strafing = just lame

From the CoC:
"Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults."

Its only 'lame' as it appears to be tollerated. As far as the CoC is concerned they are as bad as each other no?

 

[Edlina]

i never "lag strafed"
not even once
think i am the only one not having a clkue how to do it and cba to look it up

Not sure if there is a differnce to "lag strafe" and just strafe, is there?

 

[remi]

From the CoC:
"Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults."

Its only 'lame' as it appears to be tollerated. As far as the CoC is concerned they are as bad as each other no?

GOA said strafe is ok, then its OK.

 

[Corran]

From the CoC:
"Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults."

Its only 'lame' as it appears to be tollerated. As far as the CoC is concerned they are as bad as each other no?

Nope, rightnow to goa... the reply is "working as intended" therefore it is not exploit as it how it MEANT to be

 

[remi]

its all "gamedesign"

 

[Damon_D]

I don't have any alts.. Or a main.. So i doubt i called you any names! But just for good measure, twat.



Your grammer is a issue when you're degrading the standard of the English language. As for the second part i won't even reply to it, re-read the post you directed at me, think, think some more, then reply.



Please tell me where i've told 'people' how unskilled they are. Don't be getting so stressed Dreami.. I know GCSE's are a hard time in any lads life.

Yadda yadda yadda.. I still dont see a char name backing up your posts

wuss......

 

[Damon_D]

From the CoC:
"Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults."

Its only 'lame' as it appears to be tollerated. As far as the CoC is concerned they are as bad as each other no?

For gods sake , where does it say that using /face and moving around a person is a bug ??? Its freaking not a bug , its a way of moving your char around an opponent in combat to set up possitionals . Stop freaking calling it exploiting morons , you can call it lame all day long I dont give a flying noodle about that . Sure window dragging and shit causing artificial lag THATS exploting , but calling , making use of a way of movement thats been in the game since god knows how long, cheating and exploiting is plain silly .. If you cant hit me because you cant time your styles correctly.. well then thats your problem , as long as I'm not stuffing my penis into the HD to slow it down to create artificial lag or what ever other silly things peopel will try , ITS NOT EXPLOITING !!!

 

[Damon_D]

i never "lag strafed"
not even once
think i am the only one not having a clkue how to do it and cba to look it up

Never done anything like that on purpose either m8 , but circling around a char to try to set up/avoid positionals I do all the time.

 

[Ilum]

Not sure if there is a differnce to "lag strafe" and just strafe, is there?

Just two different names for the same thing imo...I don't use any lag cheats or anything, I just strafe normal, and it works like a charm.

 

[behatch]

I read somewhere about "remove stick" .. thinking about this,i reckon it would be good.Apart from sticking too your group wit i think is excellant,would be too much hassle controlling your charecter.But losing stick during battles would be great,Not just to remove lagstrafeing i just think it would make it a lot more interesting.

As far as lag strafing is concerned i dont think it should be done and lol "working as intended" Hmm yeah,sure.

 

[Damon_D]

Just two different names for the same thing imo...I don't use any lag cheats or anything, I just strafe normal, and it works like a charm.

word !

 

[Marath]

Did you notice that they increased the strafe speed in toa btw ? It was a really serious boost imo. I use strafe on pve all the time to use high to hit side style. So instead of fixing the "out of view" crap they actually made it worse in toa.

Oh and its pretty bad when casters do it. Tried hitting a person that just strafes around and does nothing else ? Remembering this thread I just decided not to try anything else than /stick and /face. Took me over 15seconds to get first hit in after the caster started strafeing. And over 30sec to kill.

Sb took over 30 sec to kill a caster ? Wtf nerf it thats too fast !

 

[Ethild]

If you cant hit me because you cant time your styles correctly.. well then thats your problem

Its got nothing to do with being able to time styles properly. The problem is to do with the location prediction system the game uses. The client has to estimate the enemy players position when you are /face'ing someone. For someone thats constantly strafing its nearly always going to be wrong, and hence all the out of view messages.

Its got absouletly nothing to do with the skill of the attacker whether their client predicts you in the right place or not at the time the swing is due. Even if GoA think its fine, its my *personal* view, that its taking advantage of a design flaw in the game, and hence why I dont do it in game.

Also in future, please read my posts before you start screaming like a 5 year old in caps. I quoted a line from the CoC, I didn't tarnish it as anything. Arguing with me in caps about points in didnt even raise just makes you look silly.

 

[Z^^]

Couple of months back it was a BIG sinn using lagstrafing techniques, nowadays its tolerated and ( allmost ) everybody is abusing it and no one cba's to whine about it. Commands /stick /face are not working as intended, not being able to do styles or getting target out of view messages isnt the way is was intended to be.

As this has been brought up many times is has been rightnowed aswell. Commands not working as intended but lagstrafing is not an abuse of any cheat. And its prolly the cause of the shitty server goa lets us play on.

What to do while both sides ( attacker defender ) knows it can win / lose while doing this. Myself i would like to see it being a sinn again like it has allways been but in the end its in the courtesy of the player dealing with it.

PS plz postfarm on me replying QQ noob etc

qq savage boj and learn not to stick?

 

[p0x]

Its legal alright... doesn't make it any less retarded -_-

 

[Dorin]

so pressing the strafe button in RvsR is retarded ?

 

[Sulphur]

Sulphur accusing ilum of BUG abuse. Now strafing isn't bug abuse, but it using poor mechanics of the game as been previously stated. Sulphur is making an accusation of cheating/CoC breaking and therefore that is a different matter from using a very annoying tactic, that may be valid but can be seen as unfair depending on your view. However it is not bug abuse which is a WELL KNOWN fact and therefore the mighty Sulphur that knows everything would know this and thus talking about something else.

Secondly, he saying ilum is not a good player, and thus im very interested on how he has come to this conclusion. For if he dont RvR then he can not know whom plays well.

So far what we know of Sulphur is that he likes to act big while at the same time wanting to remain out of sight. This means he can not validate any points he makes.

i.e. He says he been playing longer then me. Well. As far as we know he started 2days ago and is lvl 3 at the moment.
If he been playing longer then me the only way he will know this as fact is either:-

1) He knows me - which can pretty safely say he doesn't as when game was released i was the only person that i knew whom played it as my game style is different to my friends.

2) He sold me the game - but then he still wouldn't know who i am

3) He played in US on release! has he asked if i did?

4) He works for GoA and has looked up my character data for personal reasons - but then if this was so he would most likely be breaking company policy and therefore a person with sense wouldn't do so.

Besides, when you started the game has little bearing on how much you know about it and how people play. I know someone that could pick this game up and within days know more then alot of people that started in US beta. Also just because you started before someone doesn't mean you played more then someone. But that another point!

Now, i can be really picky and go through the posts. Or he can simply try to validate things he saying. So far i dont think he will do so as he got no way to validate his comments in my opinion

I read the first 3 lines of this.. Not the rest. Where exactly did I call Ilum a bug abuser? Secondly, how can the use of a movement key be a bug.

And Dookz, that post might of meant something if it hadn't taken you 2 hours to correct your own grammer

If people aren't English they shouldn't really try and flame people with it as they're always going to look like a retard at the end of it.

Now i'm sure theres alot more posts i just don't have the time to read them, come into #cotch on quakenet should you want to contact me (Which NO DOUBT you will, come on, admit it..)

Dookz you're a twat

 

[Eroa]

Such a cry baby Sulphur

 

[haarewin]

And Dookz, that post might of meant something if it hadn't taken you 2 hours to correct your own grammer

its spelled "grammar", stop whining about other peoples bad grammar if you refuse to spell it properly.

 

[Karmatika]

I
And Dookz, that post might of meant something if it hadn't taken you 2 hours to correct your own grammer

say something smart about his avatar or his f00cked up irl hair do while ur at it.

reacting like this only shows how u rly feel: PWNED

 

[Haroat]

look, as said and agreed, strafing is part of the game, mythic included it, they wont change it. as for /stick and /face, thats what you should be whining about, dont bring an innocent party into the fire. Strafing might of uncovered the bugs in /stick and /face, but it didnt 'cause' them. strafing has been around for years, ive done it since i started playing, its a part of the game, like stealth groups are, like group purge is, like infil's getting 2.5 spec points per lvl is. live with it.

 

[Karmatika]

look, as said and agreed, strafing is part of the game, mythic included it, they wont change it. as for /stick and /face, thats what you should be whining about, dont bring an innocent party into the fire..

i am whining about /stick /face not working like intended while STRAFING! cause while doing all other things the do work like intended. Dont strafe no oov msges. With strafe u cant style and get oov msges. This is a flaw in the game mechanics, it aint no abuse of any cheat or bug it aint working like intended aswell.

STRAFING + /stick /face = NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

any questions?

 

[DaggerElivager]

I read the first 3 lines of this.. Not the rest. Where exactly did I call Ilum a bug abuser? Secondly, how can the use of a movement key be a bug.

And Dookz, that post might of meant something if it hadn't taken you 2 hours to correct your own grammer

If people aren't English they shouldn't really try and flame people with it as they're always going to look like a retard at the end of it.

Now i'm sure theres alot more posts i just don't have the time to read them, come into #cotch on quakenet should you want to contact me (Which NO DOUBT you will, come on, admit it..)

Dookz you're a twat

hmm...so you still wont admit to who your chars are then??? Guessing you just scared to say and because you acted like a "twat" (as you call everyone else one) you know people will recognise your char with your name on FH.

so how about grow some balls and say who your chars are?? iseeing as your man enough to say you played longer etc and be rude to people on here.