Lagstrafing, working as intended...

[Karmatika]

Couple of months back it was a BIG sinn using lagstrafing techniques, nowadays its tolerated and ( allmost ) everybody is abusing it and no one cba's to whine about it. Commands /stick /face are not working as intended, not being able to do styles or getting target out of view messages isnt the way is was intended to be.

As this has been brought up many times is has been rightnowed aswell. Commands not working as intended but lagstrafing is not an abuse of any cheat. And its prolly the cause of the shitty server goa lets us play on.

What to do while both sides ( attacker defender ) knows it can win / lose while doing this. Myself i would like to see it being a sinn again like it has allways been but in the end its in the courtesy of the player dealing with it.

PS plz postfarm on me replying QQ noob etc

 

[xxManiacxx]

They need to fix the game mechanics for lagstrafing to dissapear... and that will never be done.

 

[Jeriraa]

A very easy way to stop lag strafing would be to send a "full stop" to the server when windowdragging. Thats not a hard thing to do at all.

 

[Tareregion]

Fix running through the enemy then too, nothing more annoying to quickcast stun and get target out of view.

 

[Ctuchik]

A very easy way to stop lag strafing would be to send a "full stop" to the server when windowdragging. Thats not a hard thing to do at all.

window dragging is fixed.. u DO a full stop when u try, have seen a shitload of bards/healers/clerics/whatever try that and just stops....

and me and a mate tried it in a duel.. u cant lag when window dragging anymore

 

[Ilum]

1st step ... stop calling it "lagstrafing"... you're making it sound like you're doing more than strafing...i.e. causing lag or something. Which isn't needed to cause "out of view" messages at all.

It's basically using strafing as a tool vs /stick and /face. All it takes is pressing the right keys on your keyboard. It's the /stick and /face command that are "lagged", creating in out of view messages.

Yep, it's not a fun part of the game, but it's a part of it now...I use it now and then, generally won't use it unless I get pissed about something (people using running-through techniques to avoid MoC, massive zergs and such). Of course, I have no hard feelings about using it vs Maelstrom since they've had Remish doing it purposely for god knows how long.

Mythic has to fix this really.

 

[Platina]

Fix running through the enemy then too, nothing more annoying to quickcast stun and get target out of view.

Agree

 

[behatch]

Fix running through the enemy then too, nothing more annoying to quickcast stun and get target out of view.

this would cause more problems and whines though..

 

[Puppet]

I use it now and then, generally won't use it unless I get pissed about something (people using running-through techniques to avoid MoC, massive zergs and such).

I hear Xxcalibur always say you do it on him.. You must be pissed when you see Hibs in RvR?

Tho tbh I do it too. I can try and catch every best positional of all melee-classes or actually try and keep alive for longer then 4 seconds. And on druid I run through casters to avoid casts on me when I can.

Then again; those guys do exactly the same when needed.

 

[sko]

:kissit:

 

[Damon_D]

Only tha silly stands still whilst beaing beaten to a pulp imho.....

 

[Karmatika]

so alll agree with the lameness of it but wont stop using it just because u can....

 

[Tareregion]

Only tha silly stands still whilst beaing beaten to a pulp imho.....

no, actually the smart ones stand still, otherwise bodyguard drops.

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

I still don't see the problem of starfing. It is a button what is in the game since day 1. It is not a flaw in t he game what makes a realm/char/position overpoweredm everybody can use it. and strafing actually has it purposses

 

[xxManiacxx]

Just fun to see Mythic not being able to do something that almost every other MMO have. Make it a delay before being able to run trough someone. And they should change how /face and /stick works so that the "lag" that it brings dissapear.

 

[Arus Canus]

ye u shouldnt be able to run thru eachother... thats just lame.

 

[Dreami]

PS plz postfarm on me replying QQ noob etc

K!

 

[Sulphur]

Whining on FH will fix the problem.. Yahooo!

 

[Karmatika]

Whining on FH will fix the problem.. Yahooo!

goa cant fix the problem, thats why i said its in the courtesy of the player and thats why its on FH. cause we can fix it!

 

[Xxcalibur]

Mythic has to fix this really.

You ilum, are a good player but atm you are nº1 abuse straffer of the server , and u know it.

 

[Sulphur]

How exactly is Ilum a good player? No offence to the guy.. He gets his RP's but hes not skilled in any way. Oh and a bug abuser on top of that!

Cheerio

 

[haarewin]

you cant 'abuse' strafing, its working as it should, which is by mythics design.
wish people would just quit whining about it.

 

[xxManiacxx]

you cant 'abuse' strafing, its working as it should, which is by mythics design.
wish people would just quit whining about it.

Strafing is working yes. /stick and /face does not working as intended but it has a delay which leads to oov messages when ppl strafes. So when strafing u take advantage of poor game mechanics. Not an abuse according to Mythic but I don´t like ppl making a habit of doing it.

 

[Corran]

You ilum, are a good player but atm you are nº1 abuse straffer of the server , and u know it.

i have my thougths about you but i will keep them out this as that not the point.

What exactly do you mean that he abuse strafing. he presses the one button on the keyboard that i seen all your group, all mid rvr groups, all hib rvr groups, all alb rvr groups using ever since people like remish etc said that it is fine.

The only way you can abuse it is if you make artifical lag to warp you about while you strafe. Strafing absolutely sucks but dont make yourself look better then the rest when your groups do exactly the same.
I dont watch ilum when playing, im too busy trying to stay alive myself, but against a dumb tank our BG does much better job then any straffing can in my opinion, and strafing just negates the effect of bg so waste of time.

And you dont want people to strafe? stop running through people that try qc you. Your using the same lag effect that strafing does in order to avoid casts as opposed to melee. Same difference, just on a larger scale really as it then means said caster can to sod all until QC comes back up!

 

[Corran]

How exactly is Ilum a good player? No offence to the guy.. He gets his RP's but hes not skilled in any way. Oh and a bug abuser on top of that!

Cheerio

also, who are you sulphur? At a guess your someone that dies all the time to ilum when he is afk, and hit pet kills you. Seem a bitter sod. But then i wont take your words as meaning shit without knowing how you come to this conclusion and even then not knowing who you are makes your comments more worthless as seems you want to cause trouble without the worry of people making comments about you.

If he abusing a bug report it. Strafing is not a bug. It part the game. a shit part yes, but you can try to get round it by slamming your /face constantly and works better on strafers then people that walkthrough you.

 

[Marath]

Personally I hate the "running through" and "strafe" tricks. But what can you do ? There isnt anything I can do but that against alb stealthers.

Got samac today running unstealthed in som shade near mmg emain.

My best hit was 209 with 59 crit.
Others were in range off 150 and less as didnt get a heat debuff on it for main hand to hit then. Offhand hit on about 50 when it hit with last 2 offhands on 70+ after heat debuffed.

Got hit back for
miss
124 (gotta be unstyled)
224+79offhand
329+91
275+93
evade

So Im hitting 150-200 with crits and getting hit back for 200-300+ with crits.
Ok Ill keep "abusing" the features mythic has in the game cos even a rr1 infil would outdamage me in standing face to face combat.

 

[Inca]

Albs do have the strength relics though.

 

[Corran]

Personally I hate the "running through" and "strafe" tricks. But what can you do ? There isnt anything I can do but that against alb stealthers.

Got samac today running unstealthed in som shade near mmg emain.

My best hit was 209 with 59 crit.
Others were in range off 150 and less as didnt get a heat debuff on it for main hand to hit then. Offhand hit on about 50 when it hit with last 2 offhands on 70+ after heat debuffed.

Got hit back for
miss
124 (gotta be unstyled)
224+79offhand
329+91
275+93
evade

So Im hitting 150-200 with crits and getting hit back for 200-300+ with crits.
Ok Ill keep "abusing" the features mythic has in the game cos even a rr1 infil would outdamage me in standing face to face combat.

Thats the problem i faced with my merc alot. But i learnt to adapt. Now i play my caster all the time i always die when solo as everyone seems to run through you. In group fights, every tank runs through you (yet they see this acceptable but not strafing, see xxcaliber). Oh im sure they will say "its lag that caused me to do this" they often do which is quite funny how it times it so perfectly.

Due to the fact there will always be a delay between you and your enemy this aint likely to ever be fixed to acceptable standards. There are couple ways that the run through bug could be fixed, but they wont be used. Strafing bug is another matter, they put in the increased miss rate if your strafing when swinging but really this aint enough, especially on stealthers that swing so often. You can simply walk backward if they strafing round you, 95% the time you will hit them, cant pull positionals easily but can use your anytime. maybe make it a 90% miss rate or something if you continuously strafing, afteral casters cant cast while strafing so you take less damage there, maybe tanks beig able to never hit you will stop it in the small fights (mainly stealther ones mind you that work)

But you dont even need too /stick to strafe round someone, i can run + strafe + turn and be oov more then any strafer can IF i wanted, thou only do it to strafer groups if they kept it up on me. and using this method means you can shoot away from someone and get safer the moment they walk backwards to get hits in.

I would like to see /face and /stick removed from the game anyways as it means no skill involved in staying with your enemy. running is pointless as no matter how much you try evasion the chaser will always be right behind you.

 

[Sulphur]

Yeah his pet kills me. HhEHehehEhehhehe. More to the point who the fuck are you? Don't worry i can see you're busy defending your bummates internet honour.. Reply later

 

[Marath]

Personally Id like commands like stick, assist and face removed from the game.
Throw in removal of backup styles and I would be happy.
Really... how many people whined off df before the backup styles came in to the game ?

With out stick you couldnt strafe around your target anymore so people would quit whining about that. With out stick/face the run through would need manually panning yourself back to the fight always so people would get fed up with that and stop using it.

Just my 2cents.

Too bad any of those will never happen.