LA is UBER??

[Darac]

I think NOT!

Take a look at this pic!

http://www.codown.nildram.co.uk/Friars are UBER not LA users.jpg

I hit this Friar twice with my super duper Double Frost kill all anytime style!! See the massive 152+32 and 132+Miss damage while he just taps me for 372 then a tiny 416 with his slow as hell 2 sec delay staff!! Yup Mythic nerf that LA its way to powerfull!!!!!

 

[klavrynd]

you're a sb, you're not supposed to hit like a zerk

 

[old.Downanael]

Staff=Crush dmg=Crush dmg=Bad thing to assansins,just stay away from friars

 

[Darac]

He's a friar neither is he

 

[mannschaft]

Originally posted by klavrynd
you're a sb, you're not supposed to hit like a zerk

That's why this crappy LA-nerf is hitting sb's so much harder. Damn you Mythic for making so much changes that you lost control over the game, many players respect, but on the good side, probably a LOT of money!

HA! Take that.

 

[klavrynd]

take la from sb's and you got a perfectly viable critblade or some other template, take away la from a zerk and you get a savage with less defence and less choice of weapons

the la nerf is hitting zerks alot harder then silly sb's

 

[hrodelbert]

klav make a merc

 

[klavrynd]

sure, you take my last name when we marry

 

[hrodelbert]

Matt oneshotted mid and hib put together with his merc once

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by klavrynd
you're a sb, you're not supposed to hit like a zerk

No but... when zerkes get nerfed... sb's get it ALOT worse..
Klav, critblade is a NO - GO - its the same damage as an infils PA except you cannot melee for shit and you have no stun if you miss PA.

 

[Derric]

Slash infils don't have any stun if they miss PA/CD either

 

[Glacier]

looks like doublefrost is the only style any LA user ever seems to do at all... dont u guys have an after evade sun 2 combo? i see you evading in there, but only see the constant spammage of doublefrost....
it may be uber dmg, but other styles are better in some situations...

and about the nerf.. ABOUT TIME!

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by Derric
Slash infils don't have any stun if they miss PA/CD either
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No but they do still swing with off hand making a critblade u can sit down if u miss PA swinging with 5.5 speed with 2 hand is not really and option IMO.

Careless-Zapsi

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by Glacier
looks like doublefrost is the only style any LA user ever seems to do at all... dont u guys have an after evade sun 2 combo? i see you evading in there, but only see the constant spammage of doublefrost....
it may be uber dmg, but other styles are better in some situations...

and about the nerf.. ABOUT TIME!

if he started off with a PA-CD its stupid to do a stun move since target will already had the effect. tho silly to keep on bashing the DF button when it takes as much end as it does. And the evade after stun on LA is a 2 step combo

 

[Derric]

Aren't there more ways of playing an SB than to spam LA or PA with a 5.5 speed?
Can't you like..PA with 3-4 speed or something and then use the CS moves?
I can't believe that an SB would need uber LA damage to be able to kill anything.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by Derric
Aren't there more ways of playing an SB than to spam LA or PA with a 5.5 speed?
Can't you like..PA with 3-4 speed or something and then use the CS moves?
I can't believe that an SB would need uber LA damage to be able to kill anything.

nope

if an SB duel wields we HAVE to spec LA to get any decent dmg variance and 39 LA is the minimum it should be specced to be worth using at all.

LA basedmg is ~65% at spec LA 1.. increases the higher you take it. So for us to duel weild any weapons we must spec it. compaired to infils or shades which can leave Dw/CD alone it doesnt matter to them.. they still do 100% dmg with there weapons and get an ~40% chance to swing both weapons even with 1 DW/CD @ level 50.

so by comparison and SB duel wielding with 1 LA would do ~65% basedmg regardless

an infil/shade duel wielding with 1 DW/CD would do 140% basedmg over time.

so you see if mythic nurf LA dmg so badly. LA would be a completely worthless line to spec. we cant just dump left over points into LA like infs/shades can do with DW/CD we either spec it high or dont spec it at all, that will then only leave us with one spec option Critblade.

 

[Glacier]

Originally posted by Cush
if he started off with a PA-CD its stupid to do a stun move since target will already had the effect. tho silly to keep on bashing the DF button when it takes as much end as it does. And the evade after stun on LA is a 2 step combo

He didnt start off with a pa, he missed the pa.. pressed pa too early ect but aye, i know.. i get what you mean i just mean that there is more to LA than doublefrost, and if he havent CD'd the evade stun chain is great..

 

[Suedish]

All this whining .... *sighs*

 

[old.Hellskor]

just a tip for DF-Blades out there ... always use Comeback with Doublefrost as backup, even if you got a stun style off already.
You might not stun them again, but both, Comeback and Frosty Gaze, use less endurance and do more damage then DF.

 

[midmaster]

Yes, common knowledge i assume. I just wish that our stun was not a 2 combo, give us Gjalpifang or something, 1-combo evade stun.

I seldom have time to see that Comeback actually went in so i can press Frosty-style. When it do happens, it's because i made a mistake.

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by Derric
Aren't there more ways of playing an SB than to spam LA or PA with a 5.5 speed?
Can't you like..PA with 3-4 speed or something and then use the CS moves?
I can't believe that an SB would need uber LA damage to be able to kill anything.

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3sec 16.5 2haxe hmmmm maybe but I think 3 sec 2haxe in midgaard would be 14 dps max. I rather play a berserker using 2h hammer trying to 1 hit kill then a critblade.


Careless-Zapsi

 

[old.Emma]

there are basicly 4 different templates available to SB`s.. each offering its own play style..

3 of which require high(ish) LA spec

if LA gets nurfed to the point where our melee dmg is equal or below that of similar specced infils/shades using weapons that our armour is resistant to. well that will only leave us with one template them. which we all know gets pwned 90% of the time by duel wielding assassins in straight melee.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by zapzap

Originally posted by Derric
Aren't there more ways of playing an SB than to spam LA or PA with a 5.5 speed?
Can't you like..PA with 3-4 speed or something and then use the CS moves?
I can't believe that an SB would need uber LA damage to be able to kill anything.

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3sec 16.5 2haxe hmmmm maybe but I think 3 sec 2haxe in midgaard would be 14 dps max. I rather play a berserker using 2h hammer trying to 1 hit kill then a critblade.


Careless-Zapsi

fastest 2h weapon available to mid SB`s is 2h sword. 15.9 dps 4.6 spd

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by Derric
Aren't there more ways of playing an SB than to spam LA or PA with a 5.5 speed?
Can't you like..PA with 3-4 speed or something and then use the CS moves?
I can't believe that an SB would need uber LA damage to be able to kill anything.

whine

Nah, it sucks m8, honestly, we dont even have enough points to make a decent critblade. When my sbwas a critblade, winning a melee only fight was almost out of the question, as Zapsi said hitting at 5.5spd means a huge LOL if the infil evades, not to mention we cant get 50 cs 50 wep + lifebane + decent stealth, like every infil can. So to make some damage in melee we use around 39 LA, having this and balancing everything else leaves you with 34cs - now spam CS styles and laugh at your own damage .

For the people who say 'spam DF' - I think you'll find yourself majorly mistaken, and going by style looks, because their all identical, I myself always use comeback chain, and I know that 90% of sb's spec 39LA for it.

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Suedish All this whining .... *sighs*

Then dont read the thread - I think you'll find the ONLY reason other realms are getting love is because of the huge amount of whines on VN boards, IMO, we have right to whine, same as anyone else, those who dont like it can screw a pineapple for all I care, we dont make you read these threads, you click the link.

/whine

 

[Darac]

Originally posted by Glacier
looks like doublefrost is the only style any LA user ever seems to do at all... dont u guys have an after evade sun 2 combo? i see you evading in there, but only see the constant spammage of doublefrost....
it may be uber dmg, but other styles are better in some situations...

and about the nerf.. ABOUT TIME!

TBH i dont normally spam DF. I have Comeback and DF directly beside each other on my QB and normally do CB and DF as a follow up to it. But what i dont uder stand is the "It may be UBER damage" quote??? Did you not see the Friar damage? If LA is uber how is a friar hitting twice as hard, and faster?

 

[Darac]

Originally posted by Glacier
He didnt start off with a pa, he missed the pa.. pressed pa too early ect but aye, i know.. i get what you mean i just mean that there is more to LA than doublefrost, and if he havent CD'd the evade stun chain is great..

Didnt press PA to early either. This seems to be a bug which effects 1 in 5 of my PAs. I run past target hit stick at the right place so when i run in im directly infront. Wait until I stop moving then PA. In this case I got a message saying I could not see the target or something damn stupid. So please dont attemp to be smart

 

[froler-mid]

Hi mids!

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=58123



this is a SZ vs high rank infil(cookie cutter, 50 thrust+18, 34DW+18, 36CS+18)

both were buffed and using sc-suit.


mids got all relics. but check the style bonus on LA and dmg....

only way a infil can win is too Dragonfang. My PA dmg is the same as his Frosty Gaze dmg...


LA styles need a nerf.

 

[klavrynd]

shut it fotm infil ~~

 

[zapzap]

So make laxe damage the same as infils damage and u get to keep stun of evade 2.5 spec and vanish.

 

[kr0n]

Originally posted by old.Downanael
Staff=Crush dmg=Crush dmg=Bad thing to assansins,just stay away from friars

You r0x @ math, firby.