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[Wonk]

I totally agree with mark, being caught with a knife should give 5 years. It only takes 20 seconds for some hotheaded person, to destroy another mans life.

 

[kirennia]

But isn't that the point really? By showing such material to certain people we are doing nothing more that throwing fuel on a fire. Why do it? We could all still have a great time and watch marvellous films and play wonderful games without all the over the top nastiness.

The other thing is we could test everybody to see who is predisposed to violence from watching these films - and bloody well shoot the lot of them! I getting into my stride here now. There are quite a few others I would like to shoot too come to think of it! If only I had one of them guns from Sniper Elite I was playing the other night!

The problem with it is that to a degree, the very society we're a part of drives violence which can arguably, at least partially be attributed to our basic human instincts. Yes video games can trigger some mentalism in people but once banning that, even if the shown 10% increase in violent tendancies really is a fair 10%, where do you stop once you ban something with such a minor effect?

How much violence is drummed up for example at certain sporting events? Do you ban all form of sports because they get testosterone among other chemicals reacting in your body? That is afterall, part and parcel with what makes an athlete good at what they do but I'd hazard a guess that the violence drummed up is more then 10%... just look at certain intentional fouls which are commited in the environment on pitch and beatings off of the pitch. It's passion which stirs these emotions... but then it's how you deal with it that counts.

As for films, even those which don't have the bloodshed can quite easily stir up emotions which may lead to violence. Just looking at historical documentaries, although for the masses they mean nothing, others are driven by them for their reasoning behind hatred... neo nazis anyone? So ban all potential implications of negative energy from film and you're left with...erm... well, even the incredibles or bambi had violence as part of their theme so where do you go? Ban all creativity... and documentaries?

Now lets look at transport... driving has been proven to increase testosterone levels in men, who hasn't heard of road rage; lets not forget that crashing as a result of road rage is still a violent act, even if not directly intentional.

You can't take that route without creating a complete 'Equilibrium' style state... you have to accept that these types of things are going to happen but reduce the liklihood of it happening.


Mandatory on-shore army services for 16-17 year olds, exercise programs for everyone as they're growing up; unless of course you have a serious medical condition... and no I'm not talking about being overweight. Reduce the number of hours and thus life influence of these sources by introducing more community based activities such as joining at least one sports club for after school as a mandatory government induced action.

A large problem with our society as it stands is that people are lazy; kids will go to school, go home and be exposed to nothing more then television and computers where they should be outside learning social skills and getting fit.

As for these mass shootings someonelse mentioned, the less about them in the media, the less shootings there will be. Don't make people international celebrities and keep tallies as a high score system, just make a local announcement, make the story as boring as possible and help the bereved families out of camera shot.

 

[Fafnir]

Parents need to take their parenting more serious, majority of the kids who behave violently have absent parents. Perhaps they should legislate to that when someone whats a kid they need to go thru a complete physical and mental examination and dna mapping etc.

Hell a few hundred years ago some people went to have a look at a battle being fought for entertainment.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fafnir while i agreeon other points, dna mapping might be a slippery slope.

 

[Mey]

I don't think the intention of the researchers is to say that everyone who watches violent films and tv shows, or plays violent video games is going to go out and become some thug on the streets. But rather the people that are already thugs see the violence in these forms of media and thus it becomes an accepted conflict resolution tool.

The problem ultimately is not with the violent media, but rather with violence itself. Violence is adaptive and it works. If violence didn't work, nobody would use it, the fact that violence works is the reason why it is so prevelant. (If I tell you to give me your handbag/wallet please, you are not really going too, but if I punch you in the face and then tell you to, you are more likey too.)

 

[DocWolfe]

They should gas chavs problem solved. I propose a holocaust style event, where all the chavs are rounded up into concentration camps and people can pay to kill them. Something maybe like in Hostel, I would gladly chainsaw a chav's face off.

 

[old.Tohtori]

They should gas chavs problem solved. I propose a holocaust style event, where all the chavs are rounded up into concentration camps and people can pay to kill them. Something maybe like in Hostel, I would gladly chainsaw a chav's face off.

You would've made a great nazi.

And to clarify this, before someone goes on a rampage about me "doing this and that";

The nazi thought the same about he people they killed, mainly jews, as many brits feel about chavs.

Sure the facts are different, but the mentality is the same.

To the nazis, as they were brought up and taught and mentality wise in general; jews were like chavs.

So in essence; you'd make a great nazi if you were in that time.

(I think i explained it without doubt this time)

To be clear; if you think "holocausting" chavs is a good idea, you're no different then a 30s-40s nazi thinking holocausting jews is a good idea.

 

[Access Denied]

They should gas chavs problem solved. I propose a holocaust style event, where all the chavs are rounded up into concentration camps and people can pay to kill them. Something maybe like in Hostel, I would gladly chainsaw a chav's face off.

Rofl +Rep!

 

[Calaen]

You would've made a great nazi.

And to clarify this, before someone goes on a rampage about me "doing this and that";

The nazi thought the same about he people they killed, mainly jews, as many brits feel about chavs.

Sure the facts are different, but the mentality is the same.

To the nazis, as they were brought up and taught and mentality wise in general; jews were like chavs.

So in essence; you'd make a great nazi if you were in that time.

(I think i explained it without doubt this time)

To be clear; if you think "holocausting" chavs is a good idea, you're no different then a 30s-40s nazi thinking holocausting jews is a good idea.

Chavs are nothing like Jews.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Chavs are nothing like Jews.

...either that's a really "clever" joke or...

There's no way you can take that from what i posted.

 

[Bugz]

...either that's a really "clever" joke or...

There's no way you can take that from what i posted.

I think the discussion of chavs vs jews is wrong simply because to most of us in England, chavs are criminals - whilst their crimes are often not deemed worthy of the death-penalty in other countries, the discussion would be more fitting to look at it as chavs versus criminals on death row, as opposed to innocent jews and a power-hungry nazi-leader who had intentions of creating one race & expanding Germany as much as he could.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think the discussion of chavs vs jews is wrong simply because to most of us in England, chavs are criminals - whilst their crimes are often not deemed worthy of the death-penalty in other countries, the discussion would be more fitting to look at it as chavs versus criminals on death row, as opposed to innocent jews and a power-hungry nazi-leader who had intentions of creating one race & expanding Germany as much as he could.

Just my 2 cents.

That's what i said;

We know NOW that jews weren't bad, but the nazis in that time didn't. After all the propaganda etc, they thought as little of jews as many brits think of chavs.

That was the point i thought was clear.

 

[Bugz]

There is a major difference between the two. Chavs are criminals. Jews were the victims of racial discrimination and stood in the way of a man with intentions to create one 'superior' race. We knew at the time jews weren't bad - hence why we didn't like Hitler killing them...

 

[old.Tohtori]

There is a major difference between the two. Chavs are criminals. Jews were the victims of racial discrimination and stood in the way of a man with intentions to create one 'superior' race. We knew at the time jews weren't bad - hence why we didn't like Hitler killing them...

I know what you mean, but the point was towards the mentality of the two having little difference.

Meaning chav hating now and jew hating then(via propaganda etc).

But maybe we shouldn't go there further.

 

[Bugz]

I can see what you mean but I can also see the problems with it.

Probably best to leave it at that - I was just being picky to get out of the boredom of crunching numbers anyway

 

[old.Tohtori]

I can see what you mean but I can also see the problems with it.

Probably best to leave it at that - I was just being picky to get out of the boredom of crunching numbers anyway

Heh yeah, it's cools though, i never mind a discussion, but this one is again a bit too off-off-topic