Keep names - Background

[Nul]

Hello

I've been wondering for a while what mythic got the keep names from.
Have they taken them from real keeps or is it just made up?
I cant find any of the keeps or fortresses on the web.
Anyone know something about it?

I found alot of other things that have thier names from (nordic) swedish mythology but not the keeps.

 

[Jobbegea]

i know Benowyc is real.
all the alb keeps are from rl history i think.
dunno about the hib/mid ones.

saw some pics on nazgul website from beno, but the site is down atm

 

[Kasall]

I might be wrong but I thought
Midgard was based on scandanavia.
Albion is french but the names are from English mythology.
Hibernia......................erm...........giz a clue.

I'm prolly wrong but that what I thought they came from. :bazbeer:

 

[Flimgoblin]

Albion is based on the arthurian legends (seems to be both the romanticised "medieval knight" version - hence the plate - with a bit of dark age britain thrown in - no saxons though). Names come from welsh/old english places/legends.

Hibernia is based on the irish mythology, with legends of cuchulainn and the like being thrown in there. Names pf most things being places in ireland (e.g. Emain Macha was a fortress in Ulster in several hundred BC, elves, lurikeen and firbolg are all from irish mythology)

Midgard is based off of norse legends/myths with names taken from that.

 

[Flimgoblin]

hard to get muych info searching for the keep names on google unfortunately as everything shows up daoc stuff

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

well i know hadrians wall, pennine mnts and snowdonia are real.. been to all 3! :d

 

[Jobbegea]

uppland is in denmark?

yeh flim. i did a few minuts of search aswell. all daoc stuff.

 

[Javai]

I would expect them to be based on real places as everything in DaoC is richly based on myths and legends, even the housing zone villages are all named after real places - there's one named after where my Mum lives which is a tiny town between the Lake District and the Yorkshire Dales - I would imagine some soul at Mythic had a atlas for choosing village names

Found this while searching about

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-bodiamcastle/

Could be inspiration for Boldiam

 

[Imon]

No uppland is a zone in sweden where stockholm is located...

Jamtland is another zone actually called jämtland, odins gate is just taken from the god odin. There is a lot of things you can find in swedish, danish and norweigian language, like mob names, places, npcs and so on. The keeps on the other hand I have never heard of

 

[klavrynd]

I still wonder why there's a village called saer in hib housing tho

 

[Raven]

Hibernia is the name given to Ireland by the Romans, a few of the places did exist emain macha, meath, connacht etc, the firbolgs were a tribe from the north of ireland who were said to be giants (or at least tall) lots of the mobs in classic hib are from irish folk lore, pookhas, cluricans and various other mobs. Tir na nog existed, from what i remember it replaced tir na mbao (also a town in the game) but could be wrong. as for keeps i dont really know, think most are just made up.

 

[Mas]

Aye Midgard is take from Norse Myths,

Info for some Mid keeps

Fensalir - Is the hall of the godess of fertility, Frigg.
Arvakr - Is the horse that belonged to the sun. (Svasud was the father of the sun).
Hildskjalf - Is the seat in the hall of Odin where he and freyja sit and watch the lands of Midgard.
Mjollner - Is the hammer of Thor


Thats all i can explain on keeps, but lots of general refrences to Norse muthology in Midgard. Si capital Aegirhamn is the hall of the god of the sea who is Aegir, and Midgard itself is the Middle world nestling above Niflheim the world of the dead and below the mighty Yggdrasill tree.

Muspellheim, is the great land of fire, and of course lvl 50 sword style Ragnarok is the end of the world the great battle where all of the doors of Valhalla open and the battleslain warriors fight with Odin and Thor against loki, fenrir and the giants. (basically Fenrir eats Odin, Vidar odins son avenges his death by killing Fenrir, Jormungand (the snake who circles the world)attacks Thor who kills the snake, only to stagger back nine steps before he dies himself due to the venom the snake spews over him. Every living thing dies apart from 2 humans Lif and Lifthrasir who take shelter in the Yggdrasill tree, where then life starts again.

MMM digressed there a bit, but its pretty interesting where the info came from!

 

[Drav]

well i know hadrians wall, pennine mnts and snowdonia are real.. been to all 3! :d

I live on the penines irl, well little town some of you might know as Royston Vaysey, and its worse irl than it is in that program! They also filmed dambusters here!

 

[Nul]

Cheers all.

Flimgoblin:
Aye, I did google alot but most I could find was DAOC stuff.

Javai:
I will check ur link in a moment...

Mas:
Nice info.

Found that some mobs in tuscaren glacier can be found in storys from
scandinavian mythology as well. Seams like mythic put some effort
in this. But alot is misspelled or just changed a bit on purpose.
Im not sure about alb / hib stuff tho. I know even less about that.
But we have living proof on that some zones exits tho

 

[Raewyn]

Some good stuff about Hibernia.

 

[Kelio]

But alot is misspelled or just changed a bit on purpose.

Perhaps because non scandinavians would have trouble reading Å Ä Ö and those silly denish letters .

btw most zones in mid frontiers is swedish "countys" or places in sweden.

 

[Sollac]

Albion is french but the names are from English mythology.
.

FRENCH BAH HOW DARE YE! REMEMBER AGINCOURT!!!!

Excalibur - arthurs sword,
the rest are castles/keeps from the uk.

dunno about the rest..

 

[Nul]

I actually sent an email to mythic about this. Lets hope they got some
documentation about this.

 

[Spetsnaz]

at least the hib keeps called Dun <name> is sure based on celtic strongholds as they where called Dun <name> for sure was reading some celtic mythology stuff latly

 

[Ging]

at least the hib keeps called Dun <name> is sure based on celtic strongholds as they where called Dun <name> for sure was reading some celtic mythology stuff latly

I prefer and actually agree with the Australian use of the word Dun or Dunny aka toilet or shithole.

Sums up nicely the place where teh hibbies live


But other than that all been interesting reading so far

 

[Marc]

I live on the penines irl, well little town some of you might know as Royston Vaysey, and its worse irl than it is in that program! They also filmed dambusters here!

You live in royston vaysey?

I envy you :< reckon you could get me some of them sausages?

 

[Jabber-Twodinners]

well seeing that most castles are based n real structures or tales of structures that once stood, i would like to draw mythics attention to a small oversight.

There was not a Caer Boldiam, but there sure is a BODIAM, ive been there myself. Reckon its a deliberate mistake?

 

[crispy]

Hibernia is the name given to Ireland by the Romans, a few of the places did exist emain macha, meath, connacht etc, the firbolgs were a tribe from the north of ireland who were said to be giants (or at least tall) lots of the mobs in classic hib are from irish folk lore, pookhas, cluricans and various other mobs. Tir na nog existed, from what i remember it replaced tir na mbao (also a town in the game) but could be wrong. as for keeps i dont really know, think most are just made up.

Tir Na Nog is based on a book by the same name. Or maybe the books name is based on something else too?

At least there is a pub in my town by the same name

 

[Drav]

You live in royston vaysey?

I envy you :< reckon you could get me some of them sausages?

Sure some of the special stuff could be arranged matey...for the right price

I walk past that Butchers everyday.

 

[Marc]

Best TV prgramme ever. Xmas special 2000 was the best tv programme in history

 

[Fianno]

Tir na nog means land of the young, from an old irish story didnt actually exist

 

[Airmid]

Midgard is based on Norse/Scandinavian mythology
Hibernia is based on Irish mythology
Albion is based on Americanised British mythology.

In fact, all three are probably Americanised, but I only know about the UK stuff for sure.

Snowdonia is the range of mountains in North Wales, Pennine Mountains run down the "spine" of northern England, Hadrian's Wall is a Roman fortified Wall along the old border between Northumbria and Scotland. Forest Sauvage, no idea - means savage forest in Frenglish I guess^^

Most of the housing names for Albion are taken from British placenames, although they seem to confuse which ones are counties and which ones are villages.

The preface to all the keep names Caer means Fort, so the place Caernarfon in North Wales actually means the fort of Arfon (the local area).

Benowyc probably relates to Benoic in Armorica now modern day Brittany (northern France). Renaris, Boldiam, Hurbury, Sursbrooke are entirely made up I think, Berkstead probably a bastardisation of Berkhampstead, or Berkshire (part of London and southern English county).
The relic keeps Myddrin a (deliberate?) misspelling of Myrddin the Welsh name for Merlin. Excalibur is the latinicised name of Arthur's legendary sword, known in the celtic mythology as Caledfwlch.

Hib and Mid places not too sure about, Cruachon was the entrance to the Otherworld in celtic mythology, so maybe relates to that.

Humm, sure there's lots of other completely useless stuff I know too much about - guess thats what happens when you get brought up in Wales and read too many Arthurian legends as a kid

BTW - whoever said there were no saxons in daoc? Thats the Mids ffs!!

 

[Awarkle]

i thought tir na nog was the irish city of dreams where the elfs took people to live in dream land for all eternity.

Or somthing

 

[Faldir]

Tir na Nog and Mag Mell are actually the same place.

You can find all the info doing a search for Tir na Nog in wiki

 

[Fianno]

i thought tir na nog was the irish city of dreams where the elfs took people to live in dream land for all eternity.

Or somthing

i.e. a land of the young