Just how popular is Nintendo Wii vs ps3/360?

[Golena]

With the pointywaggy stick of wii, sure, you can have innovation and new designs and step in a nice experience, but it also breeds lots..and i mean LOTS...of simple, mindnumbing games that are only "good" because of the pointywaggy stick and because that pointywaggy stick makes it different.

To be honest I actually think in some ways it makes a nice change..

If you look at the way PC games have been going recently it's not filled me with great hope either. Games these days seem to rely entirely on putting in more features than the last game had, which means you have shooters with an extra weapon, flight sims with 30 extra keys, strategy games that give you another 20 screens of configuration meaning it takes a week per move to actually set everything up.

Most games i've bought recently i've not played for more than 2 hours because learning all the controls just didn't seem like something that was fun.. By the time you've played through the 7 hour tutorial you've just got no enthusiasm for the game left.

I hate to sound like an old fogey but the best games were those you could pick up and actually play quickly but that took months to actually master. I still long for a game that doesn't allow you to save the game after shooting each enemy ensuring that it doesn't have to be fun doing it more than once.
These days there's a continuous stream of "save it anywhere" or dying has no actual i'll effect other than removing half a mob's exp from you games that even a monkey could complete them without difficulty, it's just giving him enough time. I'd love to be able to buy a strategy game that concentrated on a simple design and left you to work out the best tactics like in the old days, rather than trying to work out how to get back to that screen that let you decide which section of wall soldier 27 should be defending with which weapon at which times of days in your 7th city, then giving up and just clicking the "let the computer do it all for me while I go make dinner" button.

I also hate the we've got a wavey stick so we've got to use it design, but at least they are showing that a game that's simple with 4 or 5 movements can still be both fun and challenging, and the 12 extra buttons arn't actually needed.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I guess one other way, and maybe more "political" way, would be to say to the game design people:

"Don't design the pointywaggy stick into games, design games for the pointywaggy stick."

 

[Nate]

Star Wars Unleashed will be here soon Who doesn't want to wave a Lightsabre and cause melting mayhem?

So you like that the Wiimote+Nunchuk is innovative, but you don't like the games that are coming out on the Wii Toht? Mario Kart done pretty well with the Wiimote, turning it in to a Driving Wheel.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Star Wars Unleashed will be here soon Who doesn't want to wave a Lightsabre and cause melting mayhem?

So you like that the Wiimote+Nunchuk is innovative, but you don't like the games that are coming out on the Wii Toht? Mario Kart done pretty well with the Wiimote, turning it in to a Driving Wheel.

I'll try to iterate:

Pointywaggy stick = good, brings innovation.
Forcing pointywaggy stick in games = bad, removes innovation from games.
Casual gaming/wii style marketing = danger to good "think with brain" gaming.

It's not saying wii is bad, and as long as others don't follow suite too much, it's ok to have different things. And yes, good games are on the Wii, but alot of bad ones that are deemed better because of the pointywaggy stick.

Just that casual gaming as a norm is probably more dangerous to gaming then anyone is willing to accept.

Heck, some even say that casual and "now and then" gaming should be used whenever possible, that 2d games are dead and should use 3d and that "game over"- games, like tetris, shouldn't be done.

Star Wars games SHOULD be the perfect way to use the pointywaggy stick, but i'm still a bit sceptical about it being "all it can be".

 

[Golena]

Heck, some even say that casual and "now and then" gaming should be used whenever possible, that 2d games are dead and should use 3d and that "game over"- games, like tetris, shouldn't be done.

Gratz on finding my biggest pet hate ever..

Taking a great game, then turning it into a big pile of uncontrollable crap because it needs to be in 3d these days!
Take platform games, because it's in 3d and therefore harder to actually control, you've got to then dumb down the levels so it's actually completable again..

 

[Helme]

Best example of that Golena is Monkey Island 4, such an awesome game series that truly didn't deserve to get killed off by 3d. Hell, nr3 looked better than some Disney movies ffs!

 

[Laddey]

ive got a 360

Play it then goonbag

 

[Chronictank]

I'll try to iterate:

Star Wars games SHOULD be the perfect way to use the pointywaggy stick, but i'm still a bit sceptical about it being "all it can be".

If you have a wii you should give Zack and Wiki a go, old school style adventure game (think monkey island) ableit a little toned down so not quite as hard as broken sword, probably closer to Day of the Tentacle

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you have a wii you should give Zack and Wiki a go, old school style adventure game (think monkey island) ableit a little toned down so not quite as hard as broken sword, probably closer to Day of the Tentacle

Got one at the office, have to take it out for a whirl if i get the chance to order it through office supplies

 

[Lethul]

I'm with Toht on this one. Dumb casual games are fun every now and then. Playing mariokart with a couple of friends is fun for a while. But it can't drag you in like Morrowind/Baldurs Gate did. And nintendo won't even try to make games that really makes you wanna play more and more. They just wanna make money on simple games everyone enjoys an hour at a time.

If you were stuck on an empty island for a year. Just a coconut tree type of island, and you had year supply of food and the choice of 1 gaming console (with all the games ofc!). I don't think many people would choose the Wii ?

 

[Calaen]

Mario Kart is far more fun than one hour a pop tbh, I still play my super nintendo version.

You cannot compare mario kart to baldurs gate.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You cannot compare mario kart to baldurs gate.

The thing i've realised lately, and i was on the "can't compare patrol" a log time, that you can.

You absolutely can compare apples and oranges, you can compare a jetplane to a ferrari, you can compare a one night stand to watching lord of the rings.

It's all about the feelings, experience, personal taste and all those opinion based things.

Which do you like better, baldurs gate or mario kart, is a simple question and i bet, that no matter how political you try to be, you can ALWAYS make a choice.

 

[Calaen]

you still cant compare them. if I asked you to pick your favorite racing game you couldnt pick baldurs gate.

 

[Lethul]

you still cant compare them. if I asked you to pick your favorite racing game you couldnt pick baldurs gate.

well, what is your favorite game then?

 

[Calaen]

I couldnt answer that, it would be like High Fidelity. I would have to make a list of my top ten, probably split them into genres then pick a top game from each section.

Comparing a one night stand to watching LOTR is fucking LOL

 

[Lamp]

About as popular as Robert Mugabe turning up at an Amnesty International charity event

 

[old.Tohtori]

you still cant compare them. if I asked you to pick your favorite racing game you couldnt pick baldurs gate.

Ofcourse not, that's not the point.

I could however, say which i like more, grand turismo 3 or balruds gate.

And comparing lotr and one night stand, isn't that ridicilous if you look at it from the POV i'm trying to explain.

 

[Calaen]

Ofcourse not, that's not the point.

I could however, say which i like more, grand turismo 3 or balruds gate.

And comparing lotr and one night stand, isn't that ridicilous if you look at it from the POV i'm trying to explain.

Thats not comparing the two though, its you telling me you prefer one over the other (which is of course fine).

 

[Lethul]

I couldnt answer that, it would be like High Fidelity. I would have to make a list of my top ten, probably split them into genres then pick a top game from each section.

Comparing a one night stand to watching LOTR is fucking LOL

Of course you can answer that? It would be like you cant answer if you prefer LOTR or The Departed cause they don't share the same genre?

 

[megadave]

baldurs gate > the wii

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thats not comparing the two though, its you telling me you prefer one over the other (which is of course fine).

But there are comparable elements in all things.

That's what the point was.

Apples are crunchy, oranges are soft, apples sweet, oranges a bit bitter...etc. Then, from all those, make a choice.

I think there's a difference in the use of word "compare", and i think both are right, in their own field.

You can't compare stuff on the same area, if they are from different areas, but you can compare them as individual things.