just curious about damage diff in pbaoes

[Gamah]

mythic should put these in daoc... would solve all our problems


http://www.boreme.com/bm/JAN05/a/vw-suicide-bomber/fr.htm

xD!

 

[Enariol]

Alb:

Wizards with pbaoe spec get to debuff their own damage. if MoC, a single AE dd with debuff cast before the pbaoe will increase the damage compared to just the pbaoe. Yeah, only 10%, but still better than a chanter since there's no AE energy debuff.

If a wizard is MoC:ing, is the debuff in the AE DD lowered as well? It's not like it's the fastest spell to get off with 1.6x the casttime of a PBAoE, hence the latter surely would be more efficient in damage dealing?

Also, if discussing the effectiviness of PBAoE in group fights you could add the possibility to hit enemies with 8, 16 or 24% resist buffs. I've for example played with a few clerics with more than 36 Enh but not many and considering the 16% Energy is at 37 spec while Druids 16% Cold is available at 35 Nurture

 

[Species]

as enchanter i often go over 1000+ with my WP4. Ofcourse i dont know they energy resists^^

 

[Ticking]

I usually one shot everything with one single pb on my eld, cause its so op ofc

 

[Adorith]

SM has the best pbae by far, inst AE str/con debuff, highest delve and intercepting pet so you cant just staff them for interrupt and run away (something I tend to do if I get pbae'd while mezzed). They also have the benefit of being able to group with a high pac healer for AE stun.

Second best I feel is split between eld/chanter, one has the same AE str/con debuff as SM, the other has a healing pet. Both have stun for single target bombing.

Then there's wizard, whose advantage is the AE debuff nuke. This advantage is somewhat diminished however, since it's only 10% on casted resists, if you only have item resists it debuffs for 5%. The debuff duration is 20 seconds unlike, and the dps of that spell is very low. To take advantage of it, you'd have to hit AE dd/debuff, AE mez while they're still clumped up and then bomb, all within 20 seconds. I'm not sure if the debuff duration is affected by resists.

Then there's the issue of what else is available if you spec for pbae, SM's are worst off with a low specced baseline nuke, wizards have two spec nukes but more often than not end up using the baseline because the dps of the spec nukes is crap and snarenuke doesn't work well with root. The AE nuke is handy though for when you need ae but there's no room to bomb. Both hibbie casters have very strong supporting spells in their pbae lines.


I'll not touch on warlocks, since I have no experience with those. They seem to be able to bomb very effectivly though, and keep up deterrant pbae indefinitly, but not to be able to bomb multiple clumps.

 

[Eva]

SM is the best pbae'ers, but chanters is the best class when specced for pbae imo, since they get a heat debuff + dd. When we run our groups on avalon we rarely bomb, we just assist debuff nuke. Mids can't do this if they don't have a rc rm in the group, and then they would have to take away a damage dealer or support. I havn't played ice wiz much, but their range seems decent with their Resist debuff/nuke. It's not as good as chanter but it's not as bad as sm's.

Edit: Said nothing bout elds.

Elds get a snare spec nuke 3.0 cast 179 delve at 50 spec, which is same as ice wiz. Elds get aoe disease and s/c debuff though which is great. But mana elds can't do much damage at range. I usually do 300~ on decent resists (Jacinas and erinys so 10% passive pierce). 400s/500s somewhere on no resists iirc. mom1 only since I recently respecced to moc3. It's very nice when assist nuking however. S/c debuff and hitting for 400 - 600 kills the most in seconds when it's 2 nuking.

 

[Chimaira]

SM is the best pbae'ers, but chanters is the best class when specced for pbae imo, since they get a heat debuff + dd. When we run our groups on avalon we rarely bomb, we just assist debuff nuke. Mids can't do this if they don't have a rc rm in the group, and then they would have to take away a damage dealer or support. I havn't played ice wiz much, but their range seems decent with their Resist debuff/nuke. It's not as good as chanter but it's not as bad as sm's.

Edit: Said nothing bout elds.

Elds get a snare spec nuke 3.0 cast 179 delve at 50 spec, which is same as ice wiz. Elds get aoe disease and s/c debuff though which is great. But mana elds can't do much damage at range. I usually do 300~ on decent resists (Jacinas and erinys so 10% passive pierce). 400s/500s somewhere on no resists iirc. mom1 only since I recently respecced to moc3. It's very nice when assist nuking however. S/c debuff and hitting for 400 - 600 kills the most in seconds when it's 2 nuking.

Ok m8

 

[rvn]

Wizard's Pbaoe is worse than the other realms because:
1: Hib Pbaoers get a pet.
2: Mid Pbaoers don't suffer a drop off in damage, their Pbaoe does the same all the way out.

midd get no droppoff? hmmm..

and sm/eld/chanter > wizard because they get str/con debuff(eld/sm) and pet(exept eld). atleast imo

 

[Roadie]

Alb:

Wizards with pbaoe spec get to debuff their own damage. if MoC, a single AE dd with debuff cast before the pbaoe will increase the damage compared to just the pbaoe. Yeah, only 10%, but still better than a chanter since there's no AE energy debuff.

but its a low dmg ae spell that breaks mez so its highly impractical to use hen bombing =o

 

[Moriaana]

Isn't Erodafira a Fire Wizzie?

 

[Brunore]

2: Mid Pbaoers don't suffer a drop off in damage, their Pbaoe does the same all the way out.

Right. thats not just a cleaver name is it.

 

[Belomar]

Wizard's Pbaoe is worse than the other realms because:
1: Hib Pbaoers get a pet.
2: Mid Pbaoers don't suffer a drop off in damage, their Pbaoe does the same all the way out.

Hello, clueless. For your first point, Hib Enchanters do get a pet, but the pet does nothing for the PBAE (for the record, Eldritches also have a PBAE but they have no pet, what does). For your second point, what the fuck are you smoking? Spiritmaster PBAE has a damage dropoff like every other PBAE in the game (trust me, I've PLed enough chars using my SM + leech to know).

Overall, Supp SMs seem to be the best PBAE class, but have to resort to baseline nukes when attacking at range; Enchanters can self-debuff, and Eldritches and Wizards have spec nukes for this.

 

[Eroda]

Isn't Erodafira a Fire Wizzie?

Was my intention when i started the class on pryd (around the release of SI) but after seeing all the savage groups out, ice seemed the better way forward. Was fire for a while after toa but back to ice again now.

 

[Haazheel]

And seeing the spam you made last night Rodi, theres no doubt your ice is still pretty efficient even with that stupid aoe nuke/debuff :wub:

 

[chretien]

Hello, clueless. For your first point, Hib Enchanters do get a pet, but the pet does nothing for the PBAE (for the record, Eldritches also have a PBAE but they have no pet, what does). For your second point, what the fuck are you smoking? Spiritmaster PBAE has a damage dropoff like every other PBAE in the game (trust me, I've PLed enough chars using my SM + leech to know).

Overall, Supp SMs seem to be the best PBAE class, but have to resort to baseline nukes when attacking at range; Enchanters can self-debuff, and Eldritches and Wizards have spec nukes for this.

No the pet doesn't do anything for the PBAoE specifically however it still helps the Enchanter in other ways - healing/tanking/debuffing etc.
My bad regarding SM PBAoE, I remember it never used to drop off at one point though which generated much whining from other realms.

 

[Darzil]

The pets don't increase the damage.

They do, though, dive in front of a tank trying to slam the pbaoer so that others can kill it (if you've got no other option for that). Less interruptions to pbaoer = more damage indirectly.

Just like the str/con debuff doesn't equal damage, as someone said, but does mean less damage needed to kill the opponent.

Darzil

 

[Belomar]

They do, though, dive in front of a tank trying to slam the pbaoer so that others can kill it (if you've got no other option for that). Less interruptions to pbaoer = more damage indirectly.

This is only true for Spiritmasters, Enchanter pets do not intercept. And the original statement was that Wizard PBAE (i.e. not the class) is worse than other realms because they don't get a pet (nitpicking, yeah).

 

[atos]

PBAOE Damage (Secondary) Type: Matter
Lv. Spell Name: Damage Cast Cost Targ. Radius
11 Spell Burst 74 Instant 11P Enemy 350
20 Spell Blast 133 Instant 12P Enemy 350
33 Spellbinder's Burst 218 Instant 17P Enemy 350
48 Spellbinder's Blast 325 Instant 22P Enemy 350


Mhm warlock.