Just a mad idea.....

[Zede]

I think all people agree emain is pretty silly at the moment.

Odins and HW are empty with regard to roaming RvR action.

How about....

If you are RR1 to RR4 - head to odins

If you are RR5 + - head to Emain.

All RR levels - head to Hardians.

Now it’s just an idea ! My thinking is, Low RR pick up groups Zerg cause' they get owned by high RR groups - get sick of it so go out in larger groups to avoid being ganked.

If all the low RR peeps are in one zone, will give the lowbies a much better chance of feeling like they have accomplished something - instead of getting random RPs in a 4 fg zerg. Also, will be very easy to spot the abusers of this system, which certain groups no doubt will - which i think would be the problem.

The high RR groups would actually get to test their hard earned realm abilities against other high RR groups - a true test of skill !

I know this idea cannot forced upon anyone, as you are free to go where ever you choose. Call it a "Gentleman’s Agreement" or something like that. If guild leaders sign up to this, even if just for a few weeks, it could prove to be beneficial and quite interesting !

please try and add some ideas on how to expand this idea

 

[Ilum]

realm rank isnt really that important in groups

 

[Zede]

realm rank isnt really that important in groups

yer a cleric having BoF, MoC, Purge, MCL2 & god knows what else is JUST THE SAME as a cleric who has just MCL 1 - not !

christ try to be constructive peeps

 

[Joor]

odin was ok last night..

 

[Ilum]

yer a cleric having BoF, MoC, Purge, MCL2 & god knows what else is JUST THE SAME as a cleric who has just MCL 1 - not !

christ try to be constructive peeps

No it's not, but people get RR3-4 fast, and by that time, they have the essential RA's. Healers/Druids/Clerics and Casters in general tho are classes that benefit more than others from realm rank.

 

[Zede]

look at the stats on duskwave, their are alot of rr 1-4 peeps about.

oh and try addressing the point regarding the constant zerging and how to get round it - if you can think of a better idea, please post.

Also, dont knock it till its been tried - it may work, and only one way to find out. All people want at the end of day is a fair fight and i am just trying to put forward a few suggestions.

 

[Soothsayer]

Afternoon

In my honest opinion, there is nothing wrong with the state of Emain people running around with large "armies" is exactlly what warfare is all about. All this full group versus full group nonsence is obsurd. There is no way of stopping the zerg short of cutting the servers population in half. This is the way it is and will always be (until frontiers, who knows?) so get used to it.

People will play how they want to play, and evidently this means zerging about Emain mopping up the enemies.

Good day

Soothsayer

 

[Ilum]

Well, you're not gonna get EVERYONE to adept to these rules, hence I think a better suggestion is:

Make a post where you invite people to come to Snowdonia or Hadrians or something for fights, and you can set realm rank requirements etc as you want.

 

[Zede]

Afternoon

In my honest opinion, there is nothing wrong with the state of Emain people running around with large "armies" is exactlly what warfare is all about. All this full group versus full group nonsence is obsurd. There is no way of stopping the zerg short of cutting the servers population in half. This is the way it is and will always be (until frontiers, who knows?) so get used to it.

People will play how they want to play, and evidently this means zerging about Emain mopping up the enemies.

Good day

Soothsayer

I dont mind zerging, It can be fun from time to time. Fg vs Fg nonsense ? erm the game was designed around a group of 8 people was it not ? ( my group info screen has spaces for 8, not 18) and im pretty damn sure you are in the minority when it comes to actually wanting a zerg in open RvR. Oh and their is a way of stopping the zerg, all the low RR groups go to odins, problem solved.

 

[nuky]

I dont mind zerging, It can be fun from time to time. Fg vs Fg nonsense ? erm the game was designed around a group of 8 people was it not ? ( my group info screen has spaces for 8, not 18) and im pretty damn sure you are in the minority when it comes to actually wanting a zerg in open RvR. Oh and their is a way of stopping the zerg, all the low RR groups go to odins, problem solved.

the game isn't built for 8 man vs 8 man action. i would guess ur grp is limited to 8 people for a few, very simple reasons ie could u imagine the group window with 18 people on it? - it just wouldnt work. cg's and now bg's are there for a reason - large amounts of people to organise / communicate together.

the sooner u get the 8 vs 8 thing out of ur head the better, and the reason u get the impression that zede is in the minority is because only a very small number of players (relatively) read these boards, and the majoriy of the ones that do are the elitists.

i like the idea but it would NEVER work, people would always go the 'lowbie' area for easy kills or if nothing is happenin in the other area's etc.

 

[Zede]

zerg and 8vs8 - why not both, best of both worlds then

Look at the recent post regarding angels of darkness, and the moan regarding them apparently "zerging" their are alot of posts on here past and present regarding peeps really disliking zerging - I know im not the only one

but yer, this idea is hard to put into practice.

 

[Zede]

the game isn't built for 8 man vs 8 man action. i would guess ur grp is limited to 8 people for a few, very simple reasons ie could u imagine the group window with 18 people on it? - it just wouldnt work. cg's and now bg's are there for a reason - large amounts of people to organise / communicate together.

the sooner u get the 8 vs 8 thing out of ur head the better, and the reason u get the impression that zede is in the minority is because only a very small number of players (relatively) read these boards, and the majoriy of the ones that do are the elitists.

i like the idea but it would NEVER work, people would always go the 'lowbie' area for easy kills or if nothing is happenin in the other area's etc.

mini window could easily take 18 peeps

 

[Saggy]

Players who prefer 8vs8 RvR are the majority and players who prefer zerging are the minority from my experience. If that wouldn't be the case less people would be running around Emain/HW/Odins with 1fg than what there is people taking/defending keeps. Actually sorry, what I said is wrong : The majority of players are the ones saying "zerging and keep RvR is the only real way to RvR and that's what the majority of people want to do" yet they don't RvR at all Why are Mids holding most (all?) Alb keeps if the majority of Albs believe that keep RvR is so much fun and instead of that they are running more or less in 1fg's in Emain? "We have no relics so no point in denfending keeps" is kinda silly statement for a thing people are loving to do in this game, no?

Anyway, high RR is overrated really, for most class's RR4 is enough to get most essential RAs. What usually makes things hard for a random balanced group is that people give up too easily - first death -> someone leaves, second death -> someone leaves etc. With more patiance those groups would learn to work together and that's what the game is all about. Other big problem is that people don't listen advices because of "I've played for 2-years so you dont need to tell me what to do" attitude. The amount of people who dont know how to /assist or the meaning of Amnesia after 2-years RvR-experience for example is rather huge Oo

Idea is good but way too hard to put into practice, unfortunetaly. I would go to fight against high RR groups with low RR group anyway

 

[Zede]

Players who prefer 8vs8 RvR are the majority and players who prefer zerging are the minority from my experience. If that wouldn't be the case less people would be running around Emain/HW/Odins with 1fg than what there is people taking/defending keeps. Actually sorry, what I said is wrong : The majority of players are the ones saying "zerging and keep RvR is the only real way to RvR and that's what the majority of people want to do" yet they don't RvR at all Why are Mids holding most (all?) Alb keeps if the majority of Albs believe that keep RvR is so much fun and instead of that they are running more or less in 1fg's in Emain? "We have no relics so no point in denfending keeps" is kinda silly statement for a thing people are loving to do in this game, no?

Anyway, high RR is overrated really, for most class's RR4 is enough to get most essential RAs. What usually makes things hard for a random balanced group is that people give up too easily - first death -> someone leaves, second death -> someone leaves etc. With more patiance those groups would learn to work together and that's what the game is all about. Other big problem is that people don't listen advices because of "I've played for 2-years so you dont need to tell me what to do" attitude. The amount of people who dont know how to /assist or the meaning of Amnesia after 2-years RvR-experience for example is rather huge Oo

Idea is good but way too hard to put into practice, unfortunetaly. I would go to fight against high RR groups with low RR group anyway

bravo :worthy:

 

[Ilum]

Actually sorry, what I said is wrong : The majority of players are the ones saying "zerging and keep RvR is the only real way to RvR and that's what the majority of people want to do" yet they don't RvR at all Why are Mids holding most (all?) Alb keeps if the majority of Albs believe that keep RvR is so much fun and instead of that they are running more or less in 1fg's in Emain?

Oo Imo oO you said it!

 

[Lannovar]

A low rr grp can hold it own and compete with higher rr grps, its depends on a few things luck (ie getting the jump on them) and skill. A lot of low rrs are people who may have other alts, so have played alot. Just because you are low rr doesnt mean you cant compete. An organised grp that plays together alot can hold its own.

Silly idea tbh saying low rrs go this place others go that, but credit to you for trying to adress the emain problem, i dont think it will ever change, just need to encourage more ppl to come to other zones, if we heard of mids/hibs out in odins/hw we would go and take a look as we prefer smaller scale fights, where you know you will get a reasonably good fight without much interruption we dont mind being rolled when its 1 on 1 and another opposing grp comes in, we come back and try and get them 1 at a time. When its like 4grps steamroll you, you loose heart quick. If you find that you think along these lines perhaps try the quieter zones, now that my guild is starting up its organised rvr grps again post toa, we are starting to leave emain behind, looking more to odins/hw. Come along hopefully we can have some good fights, we are persistant, if you see us and kill us, you can be pretty sure we will be back to have another go.

See you out there.

 

[Morchaoron]

here's a idea!

HADRIANS WALL:

you can only go to HW when you have exactly 8 people in your group, you die when you enter if you have less then 8 or go solo

once you touch a member of a enemy fg, all members of both groups become invulnerable, untargetable and invisible to every other player from any realm who is not in one of the 2 groups for 5 minutes, true 8 vs 8 with NO ADDS, NO STEALTHERS, NEVER!



EMAIN:

you can only zerg in emain, you must move with at least 24 people, if you are not close enough to each other you will be spammed with messages saying *WARNING WARNING YOU WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN 10 SECONDS GET CLOSER TO THE ZERG* and the countdown will begin and you can only stop it by moving in range of the zerg which must count at least 24 people, if not, you will be instakilled with a pve death

there will also be a npc at the pks and border keep which will teleport you instantly to the biggest zerg of your realm roaming emain

however if you're rr5+ you will no longer gain rps in emain




ODINS:

you must solo here, grouping causes you to be insta-killed and if you come closer then in nuke range of a realmmate it will say *WARNING WARNING YOU WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN 10 SECONDS GET OUT OF REALMMATE RANGE NOW*
countdown will start and you will be insta-killed in 10 seconds if you dont clear out

if you attack someone whos already in combat with someone else, your attack will have NO effect and you will be insta killed with a pve death



sounds perfectly fair doesnt it?? come on be honest, it will NEVER be any fairer then this....

 

[nuky]

Actually sorry, what I said is wrong : The majority of players are the ones saying "zerging and keep RvR is the only real way to RvR and that's what the majority of people want to do" yet they don't RvR at all Why are Mids holding most (all?) Alb keeps if the majority of Albs believe that keep RvR is so much fun and instead of that they are running more or less in 1fg's in Emain? "We have no relics so no point in denfending keeps" is kinda silly statement for a thing people are loving to do in this game, no?

i dont play the game any more so cant comment on current things like that, but i know 3 things for sure.

1. i NEVER mentioned keeps, where the hell did that come from?

2. ur mate zede said in another thread that albs were busy with toa stuff - (that thread being https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=13845 )

3. my mates level 29 healer got steam rolled near dc x last night by around 30ish albs (which is what i was refering to by zergs, dont know where u got all this keep nonsense from)

maybe thats where all the albs where that should have been taking / defending their keeps? as i say, i dont know

 

[Corran]

well there was lots of action in odins last night. not our fault if your group dont try it. I took a complete random tankish group there with my sorc and had a laugh with groups of both mids and hibs.

If you dont try it out you wont see it. People got pissed of hibs camping amg in huge numbers so your bound to find people else where

 

[Zede]

Nuky - bet ya 25 plat far more people prefer fg vs fg fights.

Zerg & Zerg maybe the way mythic want to take it, but people dont want it.


What mythic got it wrong again ?? :kissit:

 

[Zede]

well there was lots of action in odins last night. not our fault if your group dont try it. I took a complete random tankish group there with my sorc and had a laugh with groups of both mids and hibs.

If you dont try it out you wont see it. People got pissed of hibs camping amg in huge numbers so your bound to find people else where

I was asked to join a group in Odins last night - i jumped at the chance. when i was on the pad the group appeared and decided to go emain

I'd brought my wolly socks too.

Cleric signing up for Odins Action tonight !!! RR4L1

 

[Munkyman OFC]

Its a good surgestion and would be great if it worked.
but unfortunatly not everone reads FH and might not want to do it.
also u would get loadsa bastard stealthers going odins killing all the low easy RRs

 

[Saggy]

1. i NEVER mentioned keeps, where the hell did that come from?

Did I quoted you? The "hell" it came from is my own experience and the statements made by numerous of people on this forum/BW.

2. ur mate zede said in another thread that albs were busy with toa stuff -

Both the ones prefering keep RvR and the ones prefering 8vs8 RvR are busy with ToA-stuff. That doesn't explain why there is ~90 Albs in Emain and only few doing the thing "majority of Albs" want to do. And yes, from my experience 99% of Albs dislike zerging on open but enjoys zergs in keep RvR. Same has been said by many players on this forum/BW. Oh, wasn't that rare we could take or our keeps were taken without getting more than few brave defenders pre-ToA either.

3. my mates level 29 healer got steam rolled near dc x last night by around 30ish albs (which is what i was refering to by zergs, dont know where u got all this keep nonsense from)

There is many reasons why people are zerging on open. The reason "zerging on open is fun" is one of the rariest, payback for getting spanked by enemy balanced group one of the most common. Some of the reasons why people are getting spanked listed on my previous post.

maybe thats where all the albs where that should have been taking / defending their keeps? as i say, i dont know

No idea, I dont play at all, just reading and spamming forums. Free tip for you: If I'm talking to you I'll make it clear by quotes - If there is text without quote/your name on it I'm talking in general.

 

[Kained_again]

Saggeh!!!!!!!!

/cheer

 

[nuky]

Nuky - bet ya 25 plat far more people prefer fg vs fg fights.

i bet ya £100 (i dont got 25p to give u even if i did play ) the majority people dont give a shit how many people they RvR with be solo, fg, zerg - aslong as they have fun doing it. fg v fg is the more popular option no doubt - i personally loved them when i played. what i am trying to point out is that a lot of people are not as anti-zerg as most of the people here would like. if they have to zerg they will, and not think twice about it, while listening to a lot of people here its the end of the world.

i am not saying people make zergs because they enjoy it more, just for a lot of people it IS the only way to enjoy the game because of the current state of play of the game. if they could compete on equal 8 v 8 terms they would probably enjoy it more.

look at RvR as a sport

real madrid (PE / mael / eclipse) vs some part time team

sure, real madrid will enjoy playing these crappy teams, they get paid a fortune for the match, ronaldo and raul get their goal scoring bonus, casillas gets his clean sheet bonus and they can go play the next part time team. the loosing team has no chance and probably never will - in football they cant go and get and get a 2nd team, luckily (or not) in daoc they can, and of course will.

yes i know this has been said before but thats beside the point - its how the game is and ur just gonna have to live with it until mythic introduce some auto balancing thing or whatever.

 

[Saggy]

Saggeh!!!!!!!!

/cheer

Hi babe! Come to #daoc.imo for c6, long time since my beer-belly got that lovely massage by you!

 

[nuky]

Did I quoted you?

Free tip for you: If I'm talking to you I'll make it clear by quotes - If there is text without quote/your name on it I'm talking in general.

i was the only 'active' opposition to your arguement at the time so i assumed u were, sorry if i was mistaken

/hug

EDIT: surely with ~90 albs in emain thats gonna be zerg warfare anyway?

i am not trying to be sarcastic / tenascious / biased in any of my comments btw

 

[Saggy]

iEDIT: surely with ~90 albs in emain thats gonna be zerg warfare anyway?

Yes, that will probably end up with zerging on some degree (usually adding or on MG-area) but it doesn't mean that's why people went there nor what they prefer to do. Pre-ToA ~90 Albs in Emain meant that Emain is totally empty in ~30mins - people simply didn't enjoy doing it and thus they went to somewhere else or logged.

i was the only 'active' opposition to your arguement at the time so i assumed u were, sorry if i was mistaken

No problem at all

 

[Zede]

i bet ya £100 (i dont got 25p to give u even if i did play ) the majority people dont give a shit how many people they RvR with be solo, fg, zerg - aslong as they have fun doing it. fg v fg is the more popular option no doubt - i personally loved them when i played. what i am trying to point out is that a lot of people are not as anti-zerg as most of the people here would like. if they have to zerg they will, and not think twice about it, while listening to a lot of people here its the end of the world.

i am not saying people make zergs because they enjoy it more, just for a lot of people it IS the only way to enjoy the game because of the current state of play of the game. if they could compete on equal 8 v 8 terms they would probably enjoy it more.

look at RvR as a sport

real madrid (PE / mael / eclipse) vs some part time team

sure, real madrid will enjoy playing these crappy teams, they get paid a fortune for the match, ronaldo and raul get their goal scoring bonus, casillas gets his clean sheet bonus and they can go play the next part time team. the loosing team has no chance and probably never will - in football they cant go and get and get a 2nd team, luckily (or not) in daoc they can, and of course will.

yes i know this has been said before but thats beside the point - its how the game is and ur just gonna have to live with it until mythic introduce some auto balancing thing or whatever.

You dont play ? erm..... you reply is starting to make some sense, but is a bit convoluted (not hard on these forums tbh).

FUN - the reason why we play this game, I hope. Emain zerg : fun sometimes - getting zerged is only fun for the zerger -one side is left knowing the odds were stacked against them. 1 fg v 1 fg - even if you all die, quite frankly you dont feel so bad, in fact you feel eager to get back out there. - MORE FUN.

So for your £ 100.00 I say you are wrong - the majority of people DO give a shit - its all about quality. Using your Soccer analogy, If Real Madrid had to play against a team of 33 - even at local club level - would they so so well ? (I think 8 players each man marking Ronaldo and Raul should be enough).

Imo the majority of peeps zerging are RR1 to RR3....who probably after just reaching 50 dont want to spend another 2 months in MORE pve cause' of TOA! You are right though, mythic are pushing the zerg factor , but I think this mainly for keep rvr - the teleporting along a chain of your own keeps in new frontiers proves that - zerg and zerg quick !

Any way - the original post I made. Would be nice for guilds to join up to a charter, that say on certain nights specific RR levels meet up in not so well used frontier areas and battle it out, do no harm will it ?

 

[Animus]

Well, you're not gonna get EVERYONE to adept to these rules, hence I think a better suggestion is:

Make a post where you invite people to come to Snowdonia or Hadrians or something for fights, and you can set realm rank requirements etc as you want.

You just know you will get stealther adds - from all realms