TV Jamie Foxx

[Sparx]

I dont understand why people have to keep bringing race into things

Jamie Foxx at the BET (yet another lets celebrate being black show) goes on stage and says "No need to be sad. We want to celebrate this black man, he was ours and we gave him to the world" about Michael Jackson

2 things annoyed me a little about this

1) If we are gonna start claiming things on the basis of colour then we gave the world Elvis and the Beatles, but you dont hear us going we the white man gave you them so be grateful
2) I'm pretty sure MJ was white when he died

I hate all these MoBo awards and other things. I feel its these shows that push the colour thing doesnt help us to get rid of racism. I'm sure many hear will disagree and will think i'm being stupid but thats how i feel

 

[cHodAX]

Totally agree, it is reverse racism any way you look at it. If there was a show doing the same thing purely for anything of 'white origin' and making a big deal about it being 'white' no way would it get aired on national TV. How are we every supposed to get rid of racism when these people who create and take part in these shows can't let go of it either?

 

[Hawkwind]

1) If we are gonna start claiming things on the basis of colour then we gave the world Elvis and the Beatles, but you dont hear us going we the white man gave you them so be grateful

Whilst I agree with the sentiment just look at who influenced Elvis & The Beatles. The origins of Rock & Roll are well known....

I hate all these MoBo awards and other things. I feel its these shows that push the colour thing doesnt help us to get rid of racism. I'm sure many hear will disagree and will think i'm being stupid but thats how i feel

I Totally agree with you. If there were a White only Music Awards show I'm pretty sure it would get banned very quickly! Positive descrimination is as bad as racism.

The BBC used to run a show on BBC2 about networking of black business people. Basically minority businesses dealing with other similar setups. Thereby excluding white run businesses. This was not only allowed but shown as a beacon of how minorities should work together.

Basically in the UK you have to accept that if your white, middle class and earning your f*cked! It's why I left 8 years ago.

 

[Sparx]

i stopped listening to Radio1 too, i got annoyed that not only did black music get their own radio channel (1Extra) they also got to take over saturday night slot on radio 1 which pushed Dance music all to one night rather that split over the weekend which was brilliant, I wish Dance would get its own radio 1 channel like Radio1 Dance

 

[Ch3tan]

I dont understand why people have to keep bringing race into things

Jamie Foxx at the BET (yet another lets celebrate being black show) goes on stage and says "No need to be sad. We want to celebrate this black man, he was ours and we gave him to the world" about Michael Jackson

2 things annoyed me a little about this

1) If we are gonna start claiming things on the basis of colour then we gave the world Elvis and the Beatles, but you dont hear us going we the white man gave you them so be grateful
2) I'm pretty sure MJ was white when he died

I hate all these MoBo awards and other things. I feel its these shows that push the colour thing doesnt help us to get rid of racism. I'm sure many hear will disagree and will think i'm being stupid but thats how i feel

There is a very strong undercurrent of feeling amongst the black community about Jackson at the moment. They feel that someone who they consider a role model is being tarnished by the press and that their future generations will not have a positive view of him.

I have to say I thought this was a silly attitude at first - I listened to a very heated debate between some old black men (50+) about the "white man" taking away or destroying everything good the "black man" ever does. Thing is you have to realise this attitude comes from an older generation who did live through racism in their everyday lives and teach their kids based on their lives.

Anyway, sitting in the car on saturday afternoon listening to LBC radio, the DJ was discussing the death of Jackson at length, they then moved on to the topic of Jackson being a role model for the black community -the DJ made the argument that Jackson should not be considered a role model by black people because he wanted to be white.

Now hearing something like that, I can understand why a lot of black people feel that one of their role models is being belittled.

 

[Ch3tan]

On the separate issue of black music awards - without getting into positive discrimination arguments. The MOBO's for example is an award ceremony for music that has it's roots in black music styles -not an award ceremony for black artists. People that view it as such are making it appear as a "black only" thing.

The reason those awards were created in the first place is because only indie and rock artists were getting any recognition at the main stream award ceremonies -and this did not agree with the buying and listening public.

 

[Sparx]

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS 'BLACK' - The Daily Mash

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Positive discrimination is here to stay.

Best just accept it as if you say someone is positively discriminating against you (e.g. rejecting you because you are white, and hiring someone black) and complain about it, you get automatically labelled "racist".

It's ironic that the very thing that many ethnic minorities complained about they are now perpetuating in reverse (racial inequality and hatred)...

Additional: Jamie Foxx is a pillock at best, and if you look at his background and a lot of his quotes they are pretty close to those made by certain high-profile US black supremacists...

 

[Ch3tan]

Also think you all need to consider that the race issue in the US is very different to what it is here.

 

[Ezteq]

people are people, though I am not entirely sure jacko came into that category at all tbh but thats another matter, we will only all start seeing everyone as the same when we start acknowledging that they should (in the words of Mr Martin Luthor King) all be judged by their actions not skin colour.

I get sick of hearing "I'm a strong black woman" or whatever, yeah so your black, white whatever that does not define who you are, who you are defines...um...who you are...er...you know what i mean.

I'm a confused translucent woman!!

 

[soze]

It the same as Police Fire Army ect.

Not sure its 100% accurate but my friend got turned down for a position in the met while 3 women who he could run circles round mentally and physically got in, having to have quotas is dangerous in these types of jobs if 30 whites males are best suited to the job they should get it?

And i agree with the original poster if Jackson got rejected by the Brit awards because his music is of Black Origin there would be uproar. But then some people say the CMA is the White Version of the MOBO

 

[Ch3tan]

Thing is lots of white artists at the mobo's, yes not at it's conception, but it really is a multi-cultural award now. Like I said before the mobo's simply award types of music that the traditional ceremonies were ignoring.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

It the same as Police Fire Army ect.

Not sure its 100% accurate but my friend got turned down for a position in the met while 3 women who he could run circles round mentally and physically got in, having to have quotas is dangerous in these types of jobs if 30 whites males are best suited to the job they should get it?

Familiar story. The worst is the deliberate posting of female Firearms Response Officers who have failed the grip strength and upper body power requirements to handle and shoot the weapons properly (you need a certain amount of upper body strength to control the recoil and steady the weapon etc).

Disaster just waiting to fucking happen.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think, you can't have one and remove the other.

National pride, racial pride, religious pride, proud of being a woman etc. All generate factions and factions will always be at "war" so to speak.

Or there will be other people hating what the faction represents.

I DO NOT mean it's ok to hate other factions, and i'm SURELY not saying racism is ok, but with pride and claiming any other faction then "human", without outer-world elements, there's always going to be criticism of the faction.

In short; if we want to remove racism and discrimination, we have to stop thinking like we own parts of things.

So in essence i guess i agree with the original point.

 

[noblok]

1) If we are gonna start claiming things on the basis of colour then we gave the world Elvis and the Beatles, but you dont hear us going we the white man gave you them so be grateful

Britpop? You lot claimed a whole genre . (I'm sort of kidding, but there's without denying a music style which can be called "black music", even though there are white artists in said genre as well. I don't see why the "black" community can't be proud of it, it's part of their cultural heritage. As long as they're not saying they're vastly superior or essentially different from other people I don't see a problem.)

 

[tris-]

Familiar story. The worst is the deliberate posting of female Firearms Response Officers who have failed the grip strength and upper body power requirements to handle and shoot the weapons properly (you need a certain amount of upper body strength to control the recoil and steady the weapon etc).

Disaster just waiting to fucking happen.

Why cant they exempt them like the Army, Royal Marines and RAF do for their front line roles?

They are still employers after all and im sure under some statute, you can exempt men or women from a job for a good enough reason. If they are doing it, it must be possible.

 

[Sparx]

I wouldnt mind at all, you should be proud of who you are and where you come from, what annoys me tho is as a white man we are too afraid to do anything of the same. If We can have BET then why not BWT?

 

[soze]

I do not know if it was a official test but some firemen who are friends with my Dad said that one of the tests used to be you dead lifted and carried the heaviest member of your crew for 50 yards to show you can get them out of trouble. That is something that had to get scrapped when standards were lowered.

 

[noblok]

I wouldnt mind at all, you should be proud of who you are and where you come from, what annoys me tho is as a white man we are too afraid to do anything of the same. If We can have BET then why not BWT?

Haven't you got the British Music Industry Awards? It's not exactly the same thing, obviously, but it's not entirely different either.

 

[mooSe_]

National pride, racial pride, religious pride, proud of being a woman etc. All generate factions and factions will always be at "war" so to speak.

I think we should abandon all of those things as they are meaningless.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think we should abandon all of those things as they are meaningless.

Agree completely, not to mention borders etc.