Jade

[psyco]

depends, if you bully him because he's black then yes you are.

If you bully black and white kids indescriminantly(sp) then youre just a twat

i can see you point, but the BNP argue with white people as well, and there considered racist...

 

[psyco]

i think its all about context, news coverage would suggest that they were random insults, and entirely racist... but if you know the story behind it, it seems normal woman bitching

and it all comes down to the big Q, would they sleep with someone from a different ethnic group?

Jade? most definitely, especially one with a large member... we know she cant keep her pants on, she gave pj a bj and has 2 kids(probably from different fathers)

Danielle? ofc, if they have enough cash

Jo? probbly not, see seems like the master mind, borderline racist, planting ideas into Jade's and Dan's mind while managing to keep her distance from the 2, during key rows... and she strikes me as looking for 'love' and not putting out to jo blogs

 

[Marc]

Thing that struck me last night in the interview, is she didnt apologise once. At least I didnt hear her apologise

 

[Bracken]

tbh its hard to say. It seems that most people are arguing that even if she did not mean it like how it seemed it is nonetheless the kind of thing that causes a lot of ethic minorities to feel very uncomfortable. So it is worth thinking about within that scheme.

The reason it makes a lot of people from ethnic minorities feel uncomfortable is because it reminds them of their own experiences. That is entirely understandable, but it also gets in the way of understanding how racism actually works. If you sit and talk with someone who has committed a racist offence you see that their motivation is to hurt the person because of their race. You then have to get underneath that to see where that has come from. Jade was in conflict with Shilpa for a whole range of complex reasons but not because Shilpa is Indian. She used cheap racial stereotypes simply because it was the easiest stick to beat her with. Like I said, if Shilpa had a Brummy accent or was overweight then I would put money on those things being used.

Incidentally, very early on in the series Jermain referred to Jacky as white trash. He also talked to Shilpa about them sticking together because they are "different" - this was before the problems between Jade and Shilpa. That hasn't been picked up on. Why? Because Jermaine is seen as someone who is quiet, mild mannered and therefore people don't imagine him as being racist. Plus Jacky was seen as vulgar and common. Now I don't think Jermaine meant it in a racist way, just as I don't think Jade's motivation is racist. What's interesting is why one was picked up on and not the other. It just shows that people have knee-jerk emotional reactions and look for easy targets - which is pretty much what Jade did.

 

[Sharkith]

I get your point Bracken for you and many others here racisim for it to exist it has to be the primary 'cause' of direct physical or emotional abuse. What I am saying is that 'racism' can in fact be a secondary factor that interplays with other things. There can be no doubt that the main reasons for the terrible abuse she dished out to Shilpa were largely ignorance and insecurity. The fact however is that she also employed racial stereotypes as a way to abuse Shilpa and that is an underlying racisim. Not the primary cause of course but racism none the less. She used racial stereotypes as you said to abuse Shilpa.

Now to the second point your making. I 100% agree with you and others that white people in the UK do not have a monopoly on racism. What is more I am sure there is lots of racism in Indian society. Ask many of them about Pakistani's and the racism will start to show.

What we should be clear about is that we are sentitive to this because we as a people dislike it. The fact that there is such a strong reaction is an indication that our society is not overridingly racist but healthy for rejecting any signs of it. There is no need to worry about the reaction, it is a reflection of a society where racisim is simply not welcome.

 

[Gamah]

I don't think it's racisim, just ignorence.

 

[Jesmin]

Once again it is ok for the other countries and leaders to spout out retorical hate towards Christian and white people but when someone says a thing minutely (if at all) racist the whole Asian/Muslim community goes mental.

Not that I agree with Jade's actions at all btw.

 

[- English -]

why do people care so much

 

[Gamah]

Dunno but even though the majority of us hate BB, it has us talking about it and thats what Channel 4 wants

 

[psyco]

Dunno but even though the majority of us hate BB, it has us talking about it and thats what Channel 4 wants

now, that isn't true isit? they dont get money if all we do is talk about it... what they want is our money from the eviction shows, ie better ratings for advertising, and more votes for the evictions

 

[Bracken]

The fact however is that she also employed racial stereotypes as a way to abuse Shilpa and that is an underlying racisim. Not the primary cause of course but racism none the less. She used racial stereotypes as you said to abuse Shilpa.

I guess this is the thing. People focus on the fact the abuse used Shilpa's race and say it's therefore a problem of racism. The problem is that in doing that we a) miss the underlying reason and in so doing miss the lesson that could be learned and b) undermine attempts to tackle real racism. Why? Well taking each one separately:

a) The underlying reason is that Jade felt threatened by Shilpa because of her own emotional insecurities which were then compounded by how Shilpa is as a person (she can be controlling). The lesson that can be learned in watching that is that if Shilpa recognised Jade's insecurities and tried to engage Jade in a way that didn't threaten her (i.e. by not trying to take control) then Jade would have had no cause to react how she did. Likewise if Jade had paid attention to her own insecurities and realised that she was reacting to Shilpa out of fear then she wouldn't have lost the plot like she did. The bottom line? If we don't get along with someone we have to dig deeper to find how to engage with them. The moment we start to see ourselves as a victim of something then we become part of the problem.

b) If we label something that isn't inherently racism as racism then all we do is cause people to be cynical. It's the syndrome of the boy who cried wolf. People intrinsically know what is true and what isn't - if something is called racism when it isn't then it undermines attempts to deal with the real problem. That's where the pc brigade go wrong - they will label a nursery rhyme as racist and get it banned (because it has the word black in it) when the majority of people know that it isn't about race. Which means that when they then correctly call something as racist (such as elements of the police who target people because of their colour) people's reaction is "Why should we believe you now?". Basically they discredit themselves.

It's good stuff this - who would have thought that such a shit programme could have got such a discussion going?

Anyways, I'm off to the Villa now to see us stuff Watford - see ya later

 

[[NO]Subedai]

BB is like everything thats wrong with todays culture in one show, they put the thickest people in it.

for once i agree with you

Btw does any1 else get really annoyed when people use insults such as 'jew' or '******' it fucking pisses me off, cuz its meant in a negative way and ur effectively branding that whole sub group in demeaning and derogative way. It really shows a lack of intelligence and complete generalisations of whole populations. Anyone who honestly believes in accurate generalisations has an IQ of less than 96.

 

[Ezteq]

i saw the bits they showed on the news and out of sheer morbid curiosity i watched some of the show and i have to say girls are nasteh! they were all blatently jealous of shilpa because in india she's a huuuge star (not like those girls, a BB created celeb, that rough one off s club 7 and who the hell is the scouser??) shes very pretty and she has wonderful composure she doesnt yell like a fish wife and look like a beast.

i think it was bullying and that imo is just as bad a racism because you can be bullied over anything, too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, too common, too posh anything.

I used to think Jade was alright, a bit thick but harmless but after seeing this she seems to be a nasty vicious jealous bitch and i hope to god she vanishes up her own bottom and never haunts our telly again.

 

[psyco]

It's good stuff this - who would have thought that such a shit programme could have got such a discussion going?

well no, this discussion has always egsisted, and constantly on going, but aslong as people get offended WAY to easily this will never go away

 

[psyco]

i saw the bits they showed on the news and out of sheer morbid curiosity i watched some of the show and i have to say girls are nasteh! they were all blatently jealous of shilpa because in india she's a huuuge star (not like those girls, a BB created celeb, that rough one off s club 7 and who the hell is the scouser??) shes very pretty and she has wonderful composure she doesnt yell like a fish wife and look like a beast.

i think it was bullying and that imo is just as bad a racism because you can be bullied over anything, too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, too common, too posh anything.

I used to think Jade was alright, a bit thick but harmless but after seeing this she seems to be a nasty vicious jealous bitch and i hope to god she vanishes up her own bottom and never haunts our telly again.

honestly, you respected her before she went in, the 2nd time around?

i truly cant see what she did wrong, if anything my opinion has changed about her... she's such a thick idiot with no talent, yet she has millions of £'s how could this be possible? and i respect that, but i still don't really like her

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

It was a mixture of a clash of classes and Jade generally being slightly more retarded than Sloth off Goonies. She's trash and her trashy personality classed with the well spoken Shilpa who had a privileged upbringing compared to Jade being brought up on a London council estate. Of course the usual people in the media jumped on the racism bandwagon which then encourages MP's to comment (gotta get those extra votes Gordon Brown after your Government fucked up this country).

I watched about 5 minutes of clips, all i saw was Jade swearing and talking like a chav princess in comparison to Shilpa who remained dignified during the whole thing.

This kind of thing is what the PC police thrive on, lame really.

 

[Lamp]

p.s Does anyone else here HATE Jack? I'm not an avid watcher of CBB but i have yet to hear him say anything (except perhaps a grunt when talking to Jade). That guy needs to grow a fucking spine. He's not a celeb and should imo walk.

I don't hate him. I just think he's an absolute non-entity. He should never have been on BB. He's not a celebrity, he's not even on the Z-list. Get rid of him

 

[Aiteal]

She's a fucking non-entity.
It's debatable if she is racist or not.
But one thing is certain, she resorted to inept racist language and insults because it's the only thing her tiny fucking intellect could come up with when faced with someone of another colour she felt inferior to.

celebs

 

[Lamp]

I'd like to see Jade mouth off to Phil Anselmo from Pantera. Davina will be scooping whats left of her into a test tube...ah we can dream

 

[Ezteq]

honestly, you respected her before she went in, the 2nd time around?

i truly cant see what she did wrong, if anything my opinion has changed about her... she's such a thick idiot with no talent, yet she has millions of £'s how could this be possible? and i respect that, but i still don't really like her

i never said anywhere that i respected her, i said i thought she was alright as in a bit thick (ok well quite thick) but not really offensive or anything and then i saw that well she actually is a nasty piece of work, the argument that "she got swept up in the moment" doesnt cut it with me one bit she said those things, she was a bully and she has to take responsibility for them. and this was infront of cameras too, it makes me wonder just what in the hell she's like when she knows no one can see or hear her!

having suffered at the hands of bullies i have absolutely no respect, sympathy or empathy for that woman now whatso ever and everything that gets hurled at her is her own doing.

 

[Gamah]

now, that isn't true isit? they dont get money if all we do is talk about it... what they want is our money from the eviction shows, ie better ratings for advertising, and more votes for the evictions

MOre people talking about it = more publicity = higher viewer figures..how is that hard to understand.

 

[Mojo]

I don't think it's racisim, just ignorence.

I agree, she isn't very well equiped to argue/express herself either (being a bit dim) I feel sorry for her.

 

[Sharma]

Hopefully her career no longer exists.

It's wishful thinking but I can only hope, this stupid bint is all over every single paper and womens magazines, filled with trash from her, like her life advice or something, sorry but if you follow it you're honestly about as thick as she is.

Why on earth would you depend on some bint who got famous making a tit of herself on live TV?

I hate Jade Goody, and everything about her.

I'm actually getting a kick knowing she's living in a safe house because of the rest of the UK after her blood, if there was an angry mob after her, i'd gladly join in and burn her tbh.

Stupid bint doesn't deserve to be shoved in my face, I consider her nothing short of a lesser being.

Her presence in the gene pool is distressing.

 

[psyco]

having suffered at the hands of bullies i have absolutely no respect, sympathy or empathy for that woman now whatso ever and everything that gets hurled at her is her own doing.

apparently she did the same to sophie in bb4(?) so your justification for liking her in the first place is flawd

MOre people talking about it = more publicity = higher viewer figures..how is that hard to understand.

but that doesn't meen there voting

unless you meen advertising, but then carphone warehouse pulled out of sponcering the show so, it obviously isn't for the right reasons

 

[Mojo]

Stupid bint doesn't deserve to be shoved in my face, I consider her nothing short of a lesser being.

Her presence in the gene pool is distressing.

:eek2:

 

[Gamah]

unless you meen advertising, but then carphone warehouse pulled out of sponcering the show so, it obviously isn't for the right reasons

Still viewer figures of 7.8 million now, where Carphone Warehouse have pulled out 5 will take it's place.

 

[psyco]

Still viewer figures of 7.8 million now, where Carphone Warehouse have pulled out 5 will take it's place.

its probbly back down to 3.5m or what ever it was before...

 

[Ezteq]

apparently she did the same to sophie in bb4(?) so your justification for liking her in the first place is flawd

aaah but i didnt watch bb4...3...2 or 1 infact the only BB i watched any of at all was the one with pete burns and even then i wasnt an avid viewer, anyhoo i never was a jade-fan i just didnt find her as objectionable as most people, i didnt mind her.

However if i'd known she had done this before then i wouldnt have stuck up for her when people have a pop at her, and the only reason i did that was because the only examples of jade bashing i ever saw was based on her looks and IQ not her treatment of others, and being mean about someone because of their looks or mental ability is something i do have issues with.

 

[psyco]

aaah but i didnt watch bb4...3...2 or 1 infact the only BB i watched any of at all was the one with pete burns and even then i wasnt an avid viewer, anyhoo i never was a jade-fan i just didnt find her as objectionable as most people, i didnt mind her.

However if i'd known she had done this before then i wouldnt have stuck up for her when people have a pop at her, and the only reason i did that was because the only examples of jade bashing i ever saw was based on her looks and IQ not her treatment of others, and being mean about someone because of their looks or mental ability is something i do have issues with.

her main problem is she has an anger management problem... she's probably go into rehab now or something though
but that coupled with blind stupidity and ignorance, you get jade

 

[Maeloch]

Hopefully her career no longer exists.

I doubt we've seen the last of her. Wouldn't be suprised if her rehabilitation on some 'racial awareness workshop' is televised as some reality tv pap. Didn't take Kate Moss long to bounce back after her career was 'over'. Build em up, to knock em down, to build em up again....