Israel/Palestine (Conflict to more Conflicts)

[Gwadien]

There's always going to be dickheads who send kids out to die.

What we shouldn't be doing is attempting to justify either actions so that other kids feel like it's a good idea.

 

[Scouse]

Gayyy

 

[Raven]

Don't normally give a toss about the xmas number 1, however.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGtgzgsS90&list=RDPRGtgzgsS90&start_radio=1


The fallout from the gammons would be something to behold.

It's also pretty moving...

 

[Scouse]

Don't normally give a toss about the xmas number 1, however.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGtgzgsS90&list=RDPRGtgzgsS90&start_radio=1


The fallout from the gammons would be something to behold.

It's also pretty moving...

It's the only vid I've seen where I can't get closed caption subtitles?

I mean, it's pretty shit as a christmas song, but I'm glad some people are going to be angry about it

I hope someone follows Keir Starmer around with an old style Ghetto Blaster playing it loud.

 

[DaGaffer]

Labour donor Dale Vince criticised for post following Bondi beach attack

Tories accuse Vince of ‘morally repugnant statement’ after he says Israeli government is partly responsible for rising antisemitism

www.theguardian.com

He's not wrong though is he?

 

[Embattle]

Labour donor Dale Vince criticised for post following Bondi beach attack

Tories accuse Vince of ‘morally repugnant statement’ after he says Israeli government is partly responsible for rising antisemitism

www.theguardian.com

He's not wrong though is he?

His post on Monday shared my own feelings when Benjamin Netanyahu tried to make some political capital out of the terror attack.

 

[Scouse]

Labour donor Dale Vince criticised for post following Bondi beach attack

Tories accuse Vince of ‘morally repugnant statement’ after he says Israeli government is partly responsible for rising antisemitism

www.theguardian.com

He's not wrong though is he?

I made the same point in the palestine thread this week and @Gwadien posted some limp wristed rebuff regarding "justification".

Stating clear and obvious realities doesn't lend justification to anything. So I agree, he's not wrong.

 

[Scouse]

Oh dear:

Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants

The Metropolitan and Greater Manchester forces earlier said they would make arrests over "globalise the intifada" chants.

www.bbc.co.uk

So, some more sentences are going to be banned.

 

[Embattle]

Lol:

'A vaccine against murder'? Israel split over return of death penalty

In a highly controversial move, some Israeli MPs are trying to introduce the death penalty for Palestinian attackers.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Gwadien]

Lol:

'A vaccine against murder'? Israel split over return of death penalty

In a highly controversial move, some Israeli MPs are trying to introduce the death penalty for Palestinian attackers.

www.bbc.co.uk

It'll be interesting to see how many are Jews and Muslims.

 

[Scouse]

No. The law only applies to Palestinians @Gwadien.

Where's @Wij to tell us that the laws in Israel are equal eh?

(I miss our resident goatse )

 

[DaGaffer]

Lol:

'A vaccine against murder'? Israel split over return of death penalty

In a highly controversial move, some Israeli MPs are trying to introduce the death penalty for Palestinian attackers.

www.bbc.co.uk

"Let's be accurate, my bill talks about terrorists and about an act of terrorism, there's no discrimination here. The definition is very clear," he says. "It's true that I don't think there's such a thing as a Jewish terrorist or a Jewish act of terrorism. It's a legal definition. I didn't go any other way."

The state of Israel literally came into being thanks to terrorists, one of their number even became Prime Minister.

Irgun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Menachem Begin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's amazing how selective the Zionist memory seems to be.

 

[Scouse]

It's amazing how selective the Zionist memory seems to be.

Lets be fair - it's human memory. We're all like that to some extent.

However, inherent superiority is a part of many religions but completely fundamental to judaeism so it's entirely unsurprising that the prevaling (not niche) narrative is that everyone else is lesser.

It's almost like there's a problem for which a 'solution' might be needed eh?

Although, certainly not the rather famous one ...

 

[Gwadien]

Lets be fair - it's human memory. We're all like that to some extent.

However, inherent superiority is a part of many religions but completely fundamental to judaeism so it's entirely unsurprising that the prevaling (not niche) narrative is that everyone else is lesser.

It's almost like there's a problem for which a 'solution' might be needed eh?

Although, certainly not the rather famous one ...

See, I don't think it has anything to do with Judaism, I think it absolutely has everything to do with the Holocaust and the fact the rest of the world felt/feels bad for them so let them do what they wanted.

I think if we had an alternate universe where Jews were pushed out of Europe by anti semitism post ww2, but without the Holocaust, liberalism would eventually support them creating a state and helping them with the Islamic States but not to the extent of what they're up to now, we'd see gratefulness, not entitlement.

 

[Scouse]

See, I don't think it has anything to do with Judaism

You need to study it a bit...

 

[Gwadien]

You need to study it a bit...

lol.

Israel isn't Judaism, they're Jews.

The OG Jews are the ones who aren't in Israel and many oppose the creation of Israel.

I don't know how you can say European Jews had a drive for superiority...

 

[Scouse]

I'm saying there is an underlying problem with the religion.

There are with all religions. But there are subtle differences. And this particular flavour of fairy-worshipping asshattery can lead to a very serious 'chosen people' issue.

It doesn't lead to jihadism. But if you read the sentence @DaGaffer quoted above and think there's no foundational conceit linked to the religion then you're misreading the issues.