Is there any statistical evidence to back up the theory that in rvr its tanks rule?

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Pandemic
Is there any statistical evidence to back this up?

200(-250)

 

[tildson]

Yib, as Konah says, the resists are pretty fygged up atm.

Its silly when u use TEM and have decent resists, you get 67%+ with TEM1, red resistbuffs and aom2 - add 5% racial and u got 72% :< And dont mention baod..

The resists were re-done abit in 1.65, but it did not very much They only lowered the effect on RA's, so you are still facing the 250(-250) in 1.65.

Hopefully Mythic will make some progress that allows the optimal rvr-group contain of a mix of all classes (kind of) - make em more groupfriendly. Tankgroup is pretty dull :/

 

[Aussie-]

when did minstrels become casters btw? chain and weaponspec.. i mean wtf r8 ..?

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
You've worked yourself into quite a pickle there pandemic. Let's take a vote:

a) he admits he's wrong
b) he closes the thread
c) he rolls a caster

I pick B!

guess ur wrong there then mate

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Erm, I thought we were talking about PURE casters here. The ones which DO have Quickcast and neatly sorted spell lists.

The other classes you mention have nothing to do with pure casters except for the fact that they can also cast spells, which savages can do aswell so following your logic:

GIV SAVAGES CLOTH ARMOUR AND 1000 HPS!

nope i was talking about anyone who can cast not pure casters

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Afroninja
does that 57 also include the healers, shamans, minstrels, druids and bards that you mention in an earlier post?

yes like i said casters ie people who cast spells in an rvr grp rather than hit people

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Healers, Minstrels, Druids, Bards and Shaman are not casters.

so ur saying a healer is a tank ? thats a new one for me

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Ahqmae
I fink he'll take B xD

nope ur wrong there mate

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Pandemic
nope i was talking about anyone who can cast not pure casters

for the love of god, ofc healers, shamans, clerics, bards and druids are doing well, THEY ARE ESSENTIALS IN A GROUP!

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I'll think he'll try to quad hit it first, then go B.

nope i didnt role a savage and i didnt close the thread so ur wrong

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by bob007
Probebly the first question should be, Whats a caster ?

Is a healer considered a caster due to CC, Is a cleric considered a caster due to heal spells. Or is a caster something that has a sole purpose of inflicting damage to another player with the use of spells.

And then theres the next Q, Whats a tank ? Is a tank someone who has Det in the ra list ? Or it a toon who's primary form of inflicting damage and hand held weapon ?

Clear these up first, Then ask the origanal Question.

But...

Then you have problems of crossovers, If a healer is a caster, He could get all his rp's in tank groups. Thus swelling the caster rp tables but not actively being part of the cast set by killing with the use of spells.

Then you have frairs and Bards, These both can heal, But there primary damage comes from a weapon.

mmm seems most people totally misunderstood what i was saying i was spitting all people in caterogry of tank or caster

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Arnor
for the love of god, ofc healers, shamans, clerics, bards and druids are doing well, THEY ARE ESSENTIALS IN A GROUP!

well duh

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Dorin
jesus man, reroll to an sm or wizard and try to fg vs fg, GOOD luck. Evidence is the game itself, wtf is the point of this thread if you dont beleive wot other ppl said, just try yourself then and you will see. fs. And not in thidranki, at lvl 50... couse in thidranki casters are good, wizard + theurg duo was awesome experience for me there.

btw casters are the following (at least for me):

Midgard:
- runemaster
- spiritmaster
- bonedancer

Albion:
- wizard
- theurgist
- sorceror
- cabalist

Hibernia:

- eldritch
- enchanter
- mentalist
- animist

so everyone is tanks ? thats bizzare

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by zmurf
so quiet a certain person became :/

certain person became quiet cause he wasnt looking at forum anymore until just now

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Whisperess
You just started putting nails into your own coffin mate.

Casters are cloth wearers with organized spell lists from which they can choose the level of the spell they want to cast. ( Healers / Shamans / Clerics etc are getting organized spell lists but won't be able to select the lowest level spell in a specline they've specced high in ).

You are counting support classes as casters - obviously skewing your entire 'proof'.

So - remove those classes from your statement and you have:

Wizard, Eldritch, Enchanter.

Whopdedoo.

You want proof?

Out of the top100 in the world - there are:
18 robed casters ( 20 if you call Valewalkers a caster )
26 determination tanks
6 non-determination tanks that I don't count as support ( thane, champion, valewalker )
49 support ( healers, end-regen providers, speed-providers )

That's roughly 1/2 support, 1/3rd tanks and 1/5th casters.

And to add to finbahr's list:
A caster can't attack when out of power, a tank can still do that - not to mention that endurance regenerates tons faster than power.

And before you say that a caster can attack if rooted - yes, they can, but not if they get root casted on them even when they are 'immune'.

yeah i split everyone down the middle as either caster or tank not cloth wearers u might have realised that when i quoted healers / shammies as casters

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
nope i didnt role a savage and i didnt close the thread so ur wrong

I never said you were a Savage, I was making a comment on your mentality.

Originally posted by Pandemic
so everyone is tanks ? thats bizzare

This isn't a game of, "You make magic. You be caster. You hit things. You be tank." There are support, stealthers and all manner of hybrids.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I never said you were a Savage, I was making a comment on your mentality.



This isn't a game of, "You make magic. You be caster. You hit things. You be tank." There are healers, stealthers and all manner of hybrids.

well as i said i simply split the classes down to tank or caster i was assuming people realised that with me quoting non cloth users as casters

 

[bult]

no1 ever claimed support chars was bad. Support and casters is NOT the same thing at all.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
well as i said i simply split the classes down to tank or caster i was assuming people realised that with me quoting non cloth users as casters

Well, theres your problem. You can't just split them, clean-cut, down the middle. The day a class with chain armour and 2k hits is a caster is the day hell freezes over.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by bult
no1 ever claimed support chars was bad. Support and casters is NOT the same thing at all.

k i simply divided support into tank or caster

 

[zmurf]

Ppl who call it Dark Age of Tankalot, doesn't catagorize Shaman/cleric/healer/etc as caster, therefor asking if this 'title' is correct, when ur not using the same basis, makes no sense at all ...

 

[loxleyhood]

Wizards are tanks because they use staffs and albions can spec staffs!

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Well, theres your problem. You can't just split them, clean-cut, down the middle. The day a class with chain armour and 2k hits is a caster is the day hell freezes over.

fair point seems to be a misunderstanding what i meant i didnt want to get bogged down in various types so i just split it all 2 ways

 

[loxleyhood]

A caster is a cloth wearer, thats simply the definition. Support are not casters.

 

[Pandemic]

well looks like i shafted myself pretty badly then dont it ?

guess i choose A)

 

[Edlina]

Uhm, you're actually meaning to say that whenever you heard anyone say that casters were crap in rvr atm you figured your 3 healers and 1 shaman (and skald? - minstrel is in your definition so....) in your group was part of those classes which people though were crap in RvR now? o.0

And *now* you post about casters not really being crap?

omg :lol:

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Edlina
Uhm, you're actually meaning to say that whenever you heard anyone say that casters were crap in rvr atm you figured your 3 healers and 1 shaman (and skald? - minstrel is in your definition so....) in your group was part of those classes which people though were crap in RvR now? o.0

And *now* you post about casters not really being crap?

omg :lol:

uh no as i said i split all classes up into tank or caster reguardless of if their support, stealther, hybrid etc

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by Pandemic
uh no as i said i split all classes up into tank or caster reguardless of if their support, stealther, hybrid etc

Yea, and by that you assume healers are casters and thus when people in game / irc /wherever said "casters are crap for RvR" or whatever, you never questioned them, and said that you liked your 3 healers and shaman in your group, and thus didn't think all casters were crap?

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Edlina
Yea, and by that you assume healers are casters and thus when people in game / irc /wherever said "casters are crap for RvR" or whatever, you never questioned them, and said that you liked your 3 healers and shaman in your group, and thus didn't think all casters were crap?

no just in this example. as i said i simply split everyone into 1 of 2 types tank or caster

 

[Edlina]

Originally posted by Pandemic
no just in this example

but but but that doens't make any sence

Why would you determine casters as all classes that don't tank now when you don't normally?

Didn't cross your mind that people normally means cloth casters? And thus there's no reason for this post since you're not talking about what you normally call casters, but what you normally call support, except in this example you classify them as casters, when normally you don't, but instead classify them as support or whatever?

Just doesn't make sence to me sowwy