Is there any statistical evidence to back up the theory that in rvr its tanks rule?

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by Pandemic
I here a lot of people say its DarkAgeOfTankalot or that casters are now rp cows.

Is there any statistical evidence to back this up in rvr such as better average rp earnt etc or is it just another rumour like the old 'hitting dragon with a weapon that procs causes it to pbaoe' crap that everyone used to believe

and know i dont mean try playing one and find out thats ur personal experience and not may not be an overall problem

so any evidence ?

tried a pbae group 3 days ago
2 ice wizys 1 theu 1 pala 1 arms ( was hybrid but played as guard bot) 2 cleric 1 minstrel
result was that VS low rr hibs we pwned them
VS savage groups was a matter if ras was active. With ras up we won BC/RG savage group xD
Did not have time to battle garbas elite pbae groups cause of hib and mid zerg and then group splited
It was nice but still alb caster are far 2 weak cause of no self debuffing damage and only 2 healing classes in group
Btw our casters were high rr
Ras won most battle so with a low rr pbae group u are rp cow

 

[)nick(]

Originally posted by Pandemic
mm not bad evidence that. but i'd hardly call an average of a k or so overwheming evidence that tanks are better. 57/100 top earners for the week are casters.

The next caster down the list is an eldritch which has HALF the amount of average last week rps total compared to savages. Let me explain that to you:

Jimmy TheEldritch 300k last week rps
Phil TheSavage 600k last week rps

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
but presumably healers, eldritch, enchanters, minstrels, druids, bards, wizards, shaman are doing ok ?

Healers, Minstrels, Druids, Bards and Shaman are not casters.

 

[)nick(]

You've worked yourself into quite a pickle there pandemic. Let's take a vote:

a) he admits he's wrong
b) he closes the thread
c) he rolls a caster

I pick B!

 

[Ahqmae]

I fink he'll take B xD

 

[loxleyhood]

I'll think he'll try to quad hit it first, then go B.

 

[bob007]

Probebly the first question should be, Whats a caster ?

Is a healer considered a caster due to CC, Is a cleric considered a caster due to heal spells. Or is a caster something that has a sole purpose of inflicting damage to another player with the use of spells.

And then theres the next Q, Whats a tank ? Is a tank someone who has Det in the ra list ? Or it a toon who's primary form of inflicting damage and hand held weapon ?

Clear these up first, Then ask the origanal Question.

But...

Then you have problems of crossovers, If a healer is a caster, He could get all his rp's in tank groups. Thus swelling the caster rp tables but not actively being part of the cast set by killing with the use of spells.

Then you have frairs and Bards, These both can heal, But there primary damage comes from a weapon.

 

[Dorin]

Originally posted by Pandemic
mm not bad evidence that. but i'd hardly call an average of a k or so overwheming evidence that tanks are better. 57/100 top earners for the week are casters.

jesus man, reroll to an sm or wizard and try to fg vs fg, GOOD luck. Evidence is the game itself, wtf is the point of this thread if you dont beleive wot other ppl said, just try yourself then and you will see. fs. And not in thidranki, at lvl 50... couse in thidranki casters are good, wizard + theurg duo was awesome experience for me there.

btw casters are the following (at least for me):

Midgard:
- runemaster
- spiritmaster
- bonedancer

Albion:
- wizard
- theurgist
- sorceror
- cabalist

Hibernia:

- eldritch
- enchanter
- mentalist
- animist

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Vireb
dissagree alb caster group rocks often seen and heard of shadowlords caster groups owning. and as for reavers?
Whyp + Justinian duo killed 13 stealthers + 3 adds lastnight in odins

You have to be fucking kidding me!!!

2 peps clean out 2 fgs of stealthers?!?!

Must have been a bunch of unbuffed, retarded, afkish gimps?!?!

 

[loxleyhood]

No, I've seen Whyp solo like 5 ns at once.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

roofls

Pande mate, your wrong.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Vireb
dissagree alb caster group rocks often seen and heard of shadowlords caster groups owning. and as for reavers?
Whyp + Justinian duo killed 13 stealthers + 3 adds lastnight in odins

Groups being the operative word.

24, 16 or even 12 ppl does not count as a 1 group, nor should they be refered to as 'owning' when they steamrole 8 well mannered players.

 

[Aussie-]

r8 mid with the brain of a spanish warder

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by jox
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Originally posted by Vireb
dissagree alb caster group rocks often seen and heard of shadowlords caster groups owning. and as for reavers?
Whyp + Justinian duo killed 13 stealthers + 3 adds lastnight in odins
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You have to be fucking kidding me!!!

2 peps clean out 2 fgs of stealthers?!?!

Must have been a bunch of unbuffed, retarded, afkish gimps?!?!

I should point out they were 2 seperate groups, we fought them one after the other (one on the way to hmg Odin's, one at hmg Odin's). They were mostly buffed, I believe (but hard to tell what kind of buffs) and most RR3-5.


(I didn't use IP )

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Groups being the operative word.

24, 16 or even 12 ppl does not count as a 1 group, nor should they be refered to as 'owning' when they steamrole 8 well mannered players.

Groups being that we have run it on more than one occasion, with different people in different groups.

It's never more than 8 people, and we've killed up to 3fg at a time with it (God bless isen vakten keeptake squads).


But errrr... we're kinda fragile

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Pin
(I didn't use IP )

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Pandemic
also if tanks were so much better than casters in rvr and there being no point in anyone playing a caster then why dont u see things like hit the armsmen/warrior/hero first rather than get the casters ? you take down the most dangerous opponents first not the ones that pose no threat

*sigh*



want me to tell you why casters die first?



*drumwhirl*

they die EASY, 1500 hps, 10% absorb, low af=almost insta death to assisttrain.


sheesh


and I posted a post a while back, showing last week rps for some classes, just check that out and stop being a pedantic bastard


we all know it, why the hell would we need "proof" ?

 

[Vell]

In open RvR, you are right, casters do not stand up to the challenge well.

In RvR such as keep takes/defence and relic caputes, casters are much more useful than tanks.

Each type of class has different strengths and weaknesses. That's how the game was designed. Just because a certain class, or group of classes, performs badly when running around emain, does not mean it's a bad class.

 

[finbahr]

just think a caster can't attack when

1. being hit(except moc if up)
2 mezzed (can purge if up)
3 stunned (can purge if up)
4 amnesia (can purge if up)
5 rooted (can purge if up)
6 also any instas that are going also wether it be a dot or debuff

tanks can't attack
1 mezzed - can use purge or det but will break faster than any caster anyway
2 stunned
3 rooted

no insta stops a tank hitting except fot those above

so about 6 things to stop a caster 3 to stop a tank so odds are 2-1 in favour of the tank

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by Pandemic
which is why 57/100 of last weeks top rp earners were casters. strong soloing i guess ?

Would this fact be the same if it only were GG's rvring, thus no random groups?

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by Aussie-
r8 mid with the brain of a spanish warder

dont insult Arky !

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Pandemic
but presumably healers, eldritch, enchanters, minstrels, druids, bards, wizards, shaman are doing ok ?

You just started putting nails into your own coffin mate.

Casters are cloth wearers with organized spell lists from which they can choose the level of the spell they want to cast. ( Healers / Shamans / Clerics etc are getting organized spell lists but won't be able to select the lowest level spell in a specline they've specced high in ).

You are counting support classes as casters - obviously skewing your entire 'proof'.

So - remove those classes from your statement and you have:

Wizard, Eldritch, Enchanter.

Whopdedoo.

You want proof?

Out of the top100 in the world - there are:
18 robed casters ( 20 if you call Valewalkers a caster )
26 determination tanks
6 non-determination tanks that I don't count as support ( thane, champion, valewalker )
49 support ( healers, end-regen providers, speed-providers )

That's roughly 1/2 support, 1/3rd tanks and 1/5th casters.

And to add to finbahr's list:
A caster can't attack when out of power, a tank can still do that - not to mention that endurance regenerates tons faster than power.

And before you say that a caster can attack if rooted - yes, they can, but not if they get root casted on them even when they are 'immune'.

 

[rg-zorena]

I think thats one of the major things constant dmg output(end regen) and power regen is very low but if used right dmg from power users are much more efficiant like 2fg vs 80 albs could never been done with melee.. or wait maybe cus it was afk albions from the glorious excalibur server

 

[zmurf]

so quiet a certain person became :/

 

[Ahqmae]

Maybe thats opportunity 4?

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by Pandemic
ok yep interesting replies but can anyone actually provide any evidence ?

ok yep interesting replies but can anyone actually provide any evidence mids have an IQ higher then the average spanish warder?

 

[old.krane]

Dunnow what u all been xpecting from a BC troll tbh...

I am kinda suprised already that he could put a sentence together

 

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by Aussie-
ok yep interesting replies but can anyone actually provide any evidence mids have an IQ higher then the average spanish warder?

I can proove that mids have the lowest IQ evar in all the world!!

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Average Last Week Realm Points Over All Servers

1 Savage 14,879 2,769

2 Blademaster 13,869 2,039

3 Hero 13,356 4,550

4 Healer 11,940 7,354

5 Mercenary 11,442 2,500

6 Druid 10,183 7,161

7 Minstrel 9,503 5,381

8 Berserker 9,220 2,992

9 Skald 8,958 5,820

10 Champion 8,560 3,383

11 Warden 8,413 3,388

12 Bard 8,325 6,664

13 Sorcerer 8,056 3,461

First caster class is the CCer of alb!

Close thread.

pretty much clears it up for me imo...

 

[uglymug]

Originally posted by schinkaar
I can proove that mids have the lowest IQ evar in all the world!!

well.... what are you waiting for?