Is there any statistical evidence to back up the theory that in rvr its tanks rule?

[Pandemic]

I here a lot of people say its DarkAgeOfTankalot or that casters are now rp cows.

Is there any statistical evidence to back this up in rvr such as better average rp earnt etc or is it just another rumour like the old 'hitting dragon with a weapon that procs causes it to pbaoe' crap that everyone used to believe

and know i dont mean try playing one and find out thats ur personal experience and not may not be an overall problem

so any evidence ?

 

[AbPoon]

Dont need aload of wanky stats just rvr and youll see for yourself

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Dont need aload of wanky stats just rvr and youll see for yourself

 

[censi]

i was thinking though, wouldnt a grp with 6 chanters a nat druid and bard be able to kill tanks grps?

They just all standing a huddle and purge of the mezz, GP, i need be, moc if need be, set snare pets on things and just pb anything that comes to them.

but maybe not?

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

You think that casters are banned from 95% of all gank groups because of a rumour casters are no good?

Casters are only better than a tank when fighting newbs imo.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Pandemic
Excalibur / Midgard / Black Company
Pandemic Troll Warrior Elding Herra (RR8 L1) Str 390 WS 2199

n u still cant get it?

caster have low hp... weak armour... can be interrupted
n with sc n resist tweeking theyr damage vs surivigin time is not good...


that is bit different for hib...
they still have few more toys and use for caster...

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by censi
i was thinking though, wouldnt a grp with 6 chanters a nat druid and bard be able to kill tanks grps?

They just all standing a huddle and purge of the mezz, GP, i need be, moc if need be, set snare pets on things and just pb anything that comes to them.

but maybe not?

Maybe they just gonna get spammed with lull? :/

 

[Pandemic]

ok yep interesting replies but can anyone actually provide any evidence ? not one reply doing that yet

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Shaki/Aeis
You think that casters are banned from 95% of all gank groups because of a rumour casters are no good?

Casters are only better than a tank when fighting newbs imo.

which is why 57/100 of last weeks top rp earners were casters. strong soloing i guess ?

 

[loxleyhood]

The amount of Spiritmasters and Runemasters that are rerolling/have rerolled perhaps?

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Dont need aload of wanky stats just rvr and youll see for yourself

yeah but i dont think that proves anything from ur own personal experience. if casters are earning less rp than tanks in rvr then i'd believe u but i dont think they r

 

[Silenzio]

I've a runi!!!!

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
The amount of Spiritmasters and Runemasters that are rerolling/have rerolled perhaps?

thats nice but thats class specific not casters as a whole ie i dont see many chanters rerolling

 

[Pandemic]

also if tanks were so much better than casters in rvr and there being no point in anyone playing a caster then why dont u see things like hit the armsmen/warrior/hero first rather than get the casters ? you take down the most dangerous opponents first not the ones that pose no threat

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
thats nice but thats class specific not casters as a whole ie i dont see many chanters rerolling

Chanters are the exception rather than the rule. And since we're using Savages and Berserkers as the example of a tank group here I thought I would use the same realm's casters. Spiritmaster's and Runemaster's last week's realmpoints speaks for itself imo.

http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/classrank.php?class=Runemaster&server=Excalibur&realm=&order=rp

http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/classrank.php?class=Spiritmaster&server=Excalibur&realm=&order=rp

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Chanters are the exception rather than the rule. And since we're using Savages and Berserkers as the example of a tank group here I thought I would use the same realm's casters. Spiritmaster's and Runemaster's last week's realmpoints speaks for itself imo.

as does the thanes and the reavers aint to hot either. still dont see ur point

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
as does the thanes and the reavers aint to hot either

Once again you quote an exception rather than a rule. Neither are pure tanks and Thanes need serious loving anyways.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Once again you quote an exception rather than a rule.

? yeah but look at casters a whole rahter than specific classes. i fully agree that sm's and rm's aint getting into rvr grps much but overall casters dont seem to be having a problem

 

[Forau]

Originally posted by Pandemic
also if tanks were so much better than casters in rvr and there being no point in anyone playing a caster then why dont u see things like hit the armsmen/warrior/hero first rather than get the casters ? you take down the most dangerous opponents first not the ones that pose no threat

Because the casters have damage POTENTIAL. If you however, kill these first (in 2 seconds flat), all they had was potential, not actual damage. Casters are higher damageing than tanks if left alone, but "not leaving them alone" is done far too easy.

 

[Vireb]

dissagree alb caster group rocks often seen and heard of shadowlords caster groups owning. and as for reavers?
Whyp + Justinian duo killed 13 stealthers + 3 adds lastnight in odins

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by Forau
Because the casters have damage POTENTIAL. If you however, kill these first (in 2 seconds flat), all they had was potential, not actual damage. Casters are higher damageing than tanks if left alone, but "not leaving them alone" is done far too easy.

yeah cool thanks for agreeing with me

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
? yeah but look at casters a whole rahter than specific classes. i fully agree that sm's and rm's aint getting into rvr grps much but overall casters dont seem to be having a problem

I believe that Theurgists, Sorcerors, Cabalists, Necromancers, Animists, Mentalists, Spiritmasters and Runemasters would disagree.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Pandemic
yeah cool thanks for agreeing with me

You're just pretty adamant that you're not going to be proved wrong whatever, aren't you?

 

[)nick(]

Average Last Week Realm Points Over All Servers

1 Savage 14,879 2,769

2 Blademaster 13,869 2,039

3 Hero 13,356 4,550

4 Healer 11,940 7,354

5 Mercenary 11,442 2,500

6 Druid 10,183 7,161

7 Minstrel 9,503 5,381

8 Berserker 9,220 2,992

9 Skald 8,958 5,820

10 Champion 8,560 3,383

11 Warden 8,413 3,388

12 Bard 8,325 6,664

13 Sorcerer 8,056 3,461

First caster class is the CCer of alb!

Close thread.

 

[loxleyhood]

Silly Troll.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I believe that Theurgists, Sorcerors, Cabalists, Necromancers, Animists, Mentalists, Spiritmasters and Runemasters would disagree.

but presumably healers, eldritch, enchanters, minstrels, druids, bards, wizards, shaman are doing ok ?

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Pandemic
which is why 57/100 of last weeks top rp earners were casters. strong soloing i guess ?

No farming the noob-zergs goes way easier with casters, just sprint in, hit MOC and go PB-frenzy.

Alot of noobs try and pwn that chanter/eldritch with their 29 slash paladin and die a horrible dead.

Muchos RP (6k in a zerg is not strange for such a group) and Excalibur offers ALOT of big nooby zerging.

If you put such a caster-group against an average tankgank-group they die unless they got Grouppurge up, MOC up, insta-heals up etc etc etc.

Thats the biggest problem: Casters do 'fine' against noobs and can farm very much RP due making alot of people think casters are fine because 'they get so much RP and wtfpwned 3 fg's'.

 

[Pandemic]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Average Last Week Realm Points Over All Servers

1 Savage 14,879 2,769

2 Blademaster 13,869 2,039

3 Hero 13,356 4,550

4 Healer 11,940 7,354

5 Mercenary 11,442 2,500

6 Druid 10,183 7,161

7 Minstrel 9,503 5,381

8 Berserker 9,220 2,992

9 Skald 8,958 5,820

10 Champion 8,560 3,383

11 Warden 8,413 3,388

12 Bard 8,325 6,664

13 Sorcerer 8,056 3,461

First caster class is the CCer of alb!

Close thread.

mm not bad evidence that. but i'd hardly call an average of a k or so overwheming evidence that tanks are better. 57/100 top earners for the week are casters.

 

[)nick(]

Originally posted by Pandemic
but presumably healers, eldritch, enchanters, minstrels, druids, bards, wizards, shaman are doing ok ?

Erm, I thought we were talking about PURE casters here. The ones which DO have Quickcast and neatly sorted spell lists.

The other classes you mention have nothing to do with pure casters except for the fact that they can also cast spells, which savages can do aswell so following your logic:

GIV SAVAGES CLOTH ARMOUR AND 1000 HPS!

 

[Afroninja]

does that 57 also include the healers, shamans, minstrels, druids and bards that you mention in an earlier post?