Is there any point left ...

[K0nah]

nightshades will always be a tad gimped until they allow celts to become assasins, and i dunno why they gave infs 2.5 times, they were gimped at 2x however.

..and buffbots, yep its lame/sad/cheating *delete as applicable, but ur only option atm is to not get mad - get even. or quit the game/whinge till Mythic does something, but tbh the revenue losses for them woud be enormous now they've let it go on so long...

 

[Arthwyr]

Well pin sure you occasionaly get lucky and get your evade in so you can land a df and chain 500+damage on him but if you don't its game over in 4 hits max. As for weapons skill wonder what crafted weapons you are using then since spellcrafting aint introduced yet it would mean you dont have much more then 50 thrust part from what you get from your RR. Personaly i got a set of crafted stilettos, main gauches and a a guarded Rapier all at 98/99% qual and my weapon skill doesnt go over 946 unbuffed (1206 when buffed in a guildgroup) and thats with 50 thrust +RR5. Current stats

 

[skile]

Using a buffbot is nothing more than bad morals. Something needs to be done against it, and we users can't prevent it. It's up to Mythic/GOA.

 

[Cowled]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
in soloing a "solo" class without a buffbot. Lately it seems that every Stealther has at least 4 others stuck to him and if I do find one solo I occasionaly get my ass handed to me after getting a pa in.
Unbuffed with dodger 3 and high defensive bonus styles I hardly get an evade it and 60% of my hits will miss or be parried/evaded. Further more its just plain wrong if certain 5spec shadowblades (wont mention the names as there are several) can hit me right hand for 200+ damage and left hand for 70+ damage ... fyi a saracen has about 1000-1100 hitpoints unbuffed. And yes ppl will say your thrust but yesterday a certain sb took out me and a slash infil without much trouble. So tell me is this game really coming to the point where one should drop all the stat boosting and evade boosting RAs, go for IP and damage boosting abilities. then you can buff yourself over your eyeballs so you can stalk the few of us who can't be bothered to get a 2nd account or don't have the luxury of a 2nd computer. Guess I will just have to use every change i get to go out buffed until mythic realises buffs are really screwing up the balance of the game since buffs have a bigger impact then anything else you can get.
Just my 2 cents.

Art.. i got 3 words..

Get a BUFFBOT

or 5 words..

Don't 1on1 5spec or SZ


It's the future, like the computer, a few years ago.

No, Mythic wont make buffs ranged, you know why? Cos 25% of us have a buffbot soon = +25% money. You think they make games to please us? Or change stuff to make us feel better? They do it to make u stay ingame longer = more money.

Wedneysday, my buffbot will respec to enh.. she is lvl 45.5.

Cya in emain, middies...

 

[skile]

But again, it's them earning money on it. Someone needs to confront them.

 

[skile]

In 1 sentence: Loose your buffbot, save money.

Cheaper and easier..

 

[)nick(]

Yes and that's like saying everyone shouldn't choose see hidden for their ra collection.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by cjkaceBM
The problem is that you can't solve the problem without annoying the much larger population of non buffbot players.

Ranged Buffs - annoying if your buffer gets left behind cos he got stuck to a tree.

Timed Buffs - guaranteed to run out 10seconds before you engage another full group of enemies.

No buffing in PKs - means you have to buff outside of range of PK but people will buff outside then move their bot inside.

Doesn't seem to me that there is a solution, without harming the genuine players of this game.

simple solution: idle-timer - " you have been standing around doing nothing for 10 minutes, you have been disconnected"; in the end that would only affect unplayed buffbots... and afk wardens

 

[Flimgoblin]

Hmm.. the best solution I saw was the ranged one...

but not removing the buffs, just 'deactivating them' i.e. if yer not within a zone or so of your buffer your buffs have no effect, move back in range and they're owrking again


They've not committed to doing anything about buffbots btw... just taking feedback at the moment.

 

[old.LandShark]

A small editorial note. Please pay attention.
None of you have heard a damn thing, officially...
What you have 'heard' is the americans whining for timerered buffs (which would drive all non-buffbot naturalists/seers/acolytes insane) or ranged buffs, which again the NON-buffbot n/s/a classes don't want.

Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by Fingoniel
They've not committed to doing anything about buffbots btw... just taking feedback at the moment.

They don't want to lose large numbers of pairs of accounts, and on top of that half the solutions people suggest get pretty much vetoed by the cleric/friar/healer/shaman/bard/druid/wardens etc, although specifically those with the primary stat buffs of the realm. (cler/drui/sham)

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by skile
In 1 sentence: Loose your buffbot, save money.

Cheaper and easier..

mom pays

@figoniel: there is a idle timer. 1 hour or so then he logs out.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Harle was the one saying about idle timer

The problem with buffbots is it's very hard to make them fair without screwing over the normal buff classes...

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Noche
Almost 1000 wpn skill unbuffed?! I have 850 unbuffed and 1100 fully buffed... and I use a 16.2 dps 99% qual arcanite curved dagger! Balance... nm...

WeapSkill is not dependant on the quality of your weapon. That only goes into WeapDam. WeapSkill comes purely from your spec and stats which modify that damage type.

You're using a slash weapon. Slash is pure str based. Our str is gimpy.

I use a thrust weapon. Thrust is 50/50 str/dex. Our dex is very high.

Your choice to go blades though, who am I to complain?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Finster
my 2cp:

remove the >lv30 buff spec line buffs from the game.

is the any sense in making buffs available that distort the game balance dramatically and are only castable by unplayable characters?

make buffs ranged. i m all for it.

Finster, <Nolby Pride>
occasionally buffed

The level 30 specline dex/qui buff is quoted at 51. If you're high specced, this will raise your stats by 63 (1.25xbase). You think there's much difference between that and the level 40 or 50 which raise to the hard cap of 75 at level 50? (Similarly the level 26 str/con raises stats by 56).

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
Well pin sure you occasionaly get lucky and get your evade in so you can land a df and chain 500+damage on him but if you don't its game over in 4 hits max.

If I land DF in a fight I'll chain closer to 1k damage in 5 swings (CS evade chain twice, good DW %, good cirt % and poison ticking). Sure, if that doesn't kill em, I'll quite likely lose if they Purge the enervating or IP. Of if I can't land a DF I'll likely need IP just to get through 1 of his health bar.

And yes, it might be over in 4 hits, but that doesn't mean 4 swings. You really should be evading some - If you don't, it's bad luck, suck it up and try again. The whole game has a large % of luck attached to it.

Originally posted by Arthwyr
As for weapons skill wonder what crafted weapons you are using then since spellcrafting aint introduced yet it would mean you dont have much more then 50 thrust part from what you get from your RR. Personaly i got a set of crafted stilettos, main gauches and a a guarded Rapier all at 98/99% qual and my weapon skill doesnt go over 946 unbuffed (1206 when buffed in a guildgroup) and thats with 50 thrust +RR5. Current stats

See above. WeapSkill has nothing to do with quality or dps of weapon. It does have to do with thrust skill though. The weapons I use are a 99% crafted gladius for PA, and a King's Nail offhand (+5 thrust I believe). Then switch to Mouth's Tooth for melee (+4 thrust, I believe). When I have the crafted weapon wielded, I have 50+10 thrust, giving me 1602 WeapDam and 996 WeapSkill. When I'm wielding the 2 drops I have 50+14 thrust, giving me 1512 WeapDam and ~1080 WeapSkill (can't quite remember).

I wouldn't use crafted stilettos personally, with only a dps of 15.0 if masterpieces (yours at 98 would be 14.7) they are below the Nail and the Tooth, without +Thrust and +DW, and lack procs or charges. The only thing in their favour is 35% bonus instead of 30%.

When Long Dirks are in the game, I'll get 2 of those though (will be the same time as Spellcrafting, so I'll get the best of all worlds).

And if I get fully buffed and use both drops, I had 1394 WeapSkill, but that was before I hit RR6. It might just hit 1400 now (but as I'm rarely buffed, I haven't been able to look in the last week - the 1 extra thrust raised me by 6 unbuffed though).

 

[Flimgoblin]

reports from the vn board are that evade on it's own isn't that nasty... evade +qui/dex buffs _is_ nasty

not sure how much weight I put on them though...

roll on /duel and we can test

 

[sorusi]

well first off.. Shadowblades got slash vs leather... hence they got the upper damage... and then they got the awsome LA styles if they arent gimped

And then a buff bot to make it allmost impossible...

Well yeah mythic should fix the buff bots.. but its not only assasins that use them you know... casters can be really mean when they have them aswell

PS: i doubt mythic will ever fix this, everyone knows its a issue so there is really no point in these threads

 

[-Lonewolf-]

I don't believe infiltrators can really solo anymore it isn't really where the large RP's are and its nearly impossible to find a solo person these days

I feel more soz for all those assassin classes coming up in the ranks

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by -Lonewolf-
I don't believe infiltrators can really solo anymore it isn't really where the large RP's are and its nearly impossible to find a solo person these days

I'm solo 90%+ of the time. Unbuffed 95%+ of the time. Find solo targets (or suitable pairs) all over the place and enjoy myself most of the time aswell.

 

[old.Mousah]

just feel sorry for them, the idiots pay twice as much as we that dont got a buffbot just to be better in rvr...lol PATHETIC!...uke:

 

[mute2k]

Albion created stealther gank squads, kthx!

I mean if you near a solo mincer, u can be sure he got atleast one infilt around him if not more...

-btw tell us who owned you, cuz i hope it was me (And yes ppl will say your thrust but yesterday a certain sb took out me and a slash infil without much trouble.)

 

[Arthwyr]

I wouldn't use crafted stilettos personally, with only a dps of 15.0 if masterpieces (yours at 98 would be 14.7) they are below the Nail and the Tooth, without +Thrust and +DW, and lack procs or charges. The only thing in their favour is 35% bonus instead of 30%.

Stilettos are 15.3, both are at 99%
Main Gauches are at 15.5 both are at 98%
My offhand weapons is always a drop, Rancid blacktooth/Kings nail/Stiletto of soulshade

 

[cjkaceBM]

Originally posted by &lt;Harle&gt;


simple solution: idle-timer - " you have been standing around doing nothing for 10 minutes, you have been disconnected"; in the end that would only affect unplayed buffbots... and afk wardens

I thought about that simple solution.

Even simpler way round it.

2 computers + 2 keyboards + 1 desk = easy way to move your buffbot about/click an icon etc.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Points @ his earlier post

 

[skile]

Change the range of the buffs affect to 100m or so..

 

[Azzaro-Ewolyn]

I am a cleric level 47, or let me say I was a cleric.
Rej 26, ench 12, smite 40

I have high smite because I would love to have stun, aeo mezz (around him self) and smite.

Now they will take away my smite, why keep a spec line where you only uses 66 % of it.

Okay now I would respec to half rej and half ench. But know they may chance enchansment, okay now we are down to one line Rej.

Now the cleric is down to only one line of speck, what can he do then: Heal (he will be good at it), cure poison and rezz.

Damm boring to just run around and heal, to get mezzed and die.

If they are nerfing a class so much no one would like to play him.

What does albions then have who can heal, ohh frier that is true but how many friers even put points into rej...it is wery few.

Now try to compair the healer clases from albion, with the one from the other realm, and we have ended up here with a wery poor class.

Not to say alot of albions clases is under powered.

---------------------------------------------
Azzaro level 47 cleric
Ewolyn 46 infiltrater

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

easier solution - make alb grp clases fun to play then so many ppl wouldnt be going the infil/buffbot route :E


btw if you think assasins cant solo now, spare a thought for the archers/minstrels ;p (altho archers get some payback every 30 mins)

 

[elath]

One thing that could be incorporated would be to effect a "dampening field" around TK's and frontier entrance keeps. Something along the lines of the master magic users within such structures maintain a powerful field that negates the buffs of enemies: unfortunatley such powerful magics also effect the buffs of the realm aswell. In this way a buffer can buff the group within the safety of the TK - all the icons would appear and conc points used, but the actual stat increases would only be enabled once the buffer (not the buffed) has left the area of the dampening field.

In this way buff classes are not effected as they would be moving out to attack/defend with their group. However buff slaves stationed at such structures would have no effect. Of course the buff slave could be hidden somewhere within the frontier, but then they become vulnerable to attack. Equally the slave could be stationed in a friendly keep, but keeps can be taken.

In this way these fiends and slave masters can still enthrall those poor creatures if they wish - however they would not be able to do so with the absolute impunity that they currently enjoy.