Is there any point left ...

[Arthwyr]

in soloing a "solo" class without a buffbot. Lately it seems that every Stealther has at least 4 others stuck to him and if I do find one solo I occasionaly get my ass handed to me after getting a pa in.
Unbuffed with dodger 3 and high defensive bonus styles I hardly get an evade it and 60% of my hits will miss or be parried/evaded. Further more its just plain wrong if certain 5spec shadowblades (wont mention the names as there are several) can hit me right hand for 200+ damage and left hand for 70+ damage ... fyi a saracen has about 1000-1100 hitpoints unbuffed. And yes ppl will say your thrust but yesterday a certain sb took out me and a slash infil without much trouble. So tell me is this game really coming to the point where one should drop all the stat boosting and evade boosting RAs, go for IP and damage boosting abilities. then you can buff yourself over your eyeballs so you can stalk the few of us who can't be bothered to get a 2nd account or don't have the luxury of a 2nd computer. Guess I will just have to use every change i get to go out buffed until mythic realises buffs are really screwing up the balance of the game since buffs have a bigger impact then anything else you can get.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[hotrat]

Indeed the problem seems to be people who have buff bots don't need to worry about RA's or items with con, dex, str etc instead they can go for more resists (avoidance of magic, resist items).
This allows them to get 2x% resists and also have 200-300 more hits, 100 more dex//str than most other people of the same class (even if those other people bought aug con 2, dex 2 etc).
Also high enhance buffbots can give resist buffs as well so you can work your resists around that as well Basically get high slash/thrust/crush resists and let AoM and buffs do the rest.

 

[err0r]

Aren't they applying a max range for buffs already?

 

[-astili-]

kinda understand your frustration here arth, you should see the lineup of green con clerics at atk in emain. i'm going to respec my cleric for more enhance because of the big smite nerf next patch so i could help out some wich do not have their own buffbot.

btw, you don't need a second computer to run your buffbot one, some use daox. I realy think these players should be tracked down and give them a warning not to use daox again. that might reduce the number of buffbots, but that won't fix the buffbots that are run on a second computer.

my tought here is that buffbots will always exist, i just hope some smite clerics will see that there's more to a cleric than the lightning bolts and that they will go for enhance spec to realy help out their realm members.

anyway, buffbots are lame and you'll find lame ppl everywhere.

greetz
Astili

 

[amphetamine]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
in soloing a "solo" class without a buffbot. Lately it seems that every Stealther has at least 4 others stuck to him and if I do find one solo I occasionaly get my ass handed to me after getting a pa in.
Unbuffed with dodger 3 and high defensive bonus styles I hardly get an evade it and 60% of my hits will miss or be parried/evaded. Further more its just plain wrong if certain 5spec shadowblades (wont mention the names as there are several) can hit me right hand for 200+ damage and left hand for 70+ damage ... fyi a saracen has about 1000-1100 hitpoints unbuffed. And yes ppl will say your thrust but yesterday a certain sb took out me and a slash infil without much trouble. So tell me is this game really coming to the point where one should drop all the stat boosting and evade boosting RAs, go for IP and damage boosting abilities. then you can buff yourself over your eyeballs so you can stalk the few of us who can't be bothered to get a 2nd account or don't have the luxury of a 2nd computer. Guess I will just have to use every change i get to go out buffed until mythic realises buffs are really screwing up the balance of the game since buffs have a bigger impact then anything else you can get.
Just my 2 cents.

just laugh at the people who use them, i love seeing people here give credit to people who use buffbots saying "what a great player he/she is" and "id love to beat them to say i have done". Remember you dont fight them, you fight them and there buffbot, they are expected to win every 1v1 because of the uber buffs they have. You think they would do so well if they didnt have a buffbot??? i very much doubt it.

 

[Negura`]

Originally posted by -astili-
kinda understand your frustration here arth, you should see the lineup of green con clerics at atk in emain.

Mine is blue T_T
full enhance next patch aswell

 

[Envenom2]

theres normaly atleast 6-8 buffbots at mtk in emain lol all green-blue con some grey. i once counted 15 bots on a busy saturday afternoon lol crazy

 

[old.Odysseus]

Try it without stealth......

 

[)nick(]

If they fixed the 'problem' that are buffbots it would still boil down to class vs class and everyone would continue to moan. The game isn't balanced, and in most confrontations isn't fair.

Arth you leveld an infil to 50 just so you could be one of the best at 1-1. You jumped on the bandwagon and bought into the accusations and moans about our class and after the horendous task of getting 50 with an assassin you have come to the conclusion that you are still not there. You're dissapointed, well I for one have no sympathy at all.

The game can be frustrating yes, 9 out of 10 posts/replies/smug remarks on this, and every other, board is a moan because of that frustration. When/if the buffbots are gone people will always find another thing to cry nerf at.

It's tough but now you'll have to go out there and do whatever you need to do to get that buffbot. Just like you had to level that infil to 50.

 

[Flimgoblin]

shame you can't kill the buffbots - that's the problem with them. They're invulnerable.

Got to remember Arthwyr, you're not fighting one person - you're fighting two, one of whom is invincible, the other is very hard to kill due to the buffs.

Take a fellow infil with you, hunt in a duo that'll even things up.

 

[Noche]

Yay, at last some albs noticed this. Guess how many hibs use buff bot, MUCH fewer. I died too to certain SBs and eating exactly same amount of dmg

Totally aggre with amphetamine. Many ppl complain about stealthers duoing/grouping. And even some buffed ppl laughing at how NSs always come in a couple and they don´t dare soloing coz they die too easy (since most of us r never buffed)

Stop considering ppl with buff bot r god-like players, sentences like "omg that one just took out 3 ppl alone, he´s soooo skilled and smart and blah blah" makes me feel sick.

I lvled a NS to 50 coz I thought those trolls posting in VN was false and overexagerated, but in fact, those posts were almost all true. NSs r the weakest assasins and need skill to play well, so don´t complain since u r the best assasin (dragon fang infil)

Always complained about buff bots, always got flamed by ppl saying I´m whining. Hope now more ppl start to realize that buff bot REALLY DOES affect game´s balance A LOT.

P.S.: Certain albs got high rr coz of buff bot too, I´m yet to listen an alb/mid complain about beaten by a NS full buffed (afaik only 1 or 2 atm got that much luck and don´t really play that much).

 

[Aussie-]

DID SOMEONE GOT OWNED ??!?8!!?''

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Aussie-
DID SOMEONE GET OWNED ??!?8!!?''

At least one person got owned.

 

[Aussie-]

:tongue:

 

[hotrat]

If they fixed the 'problem' that are buffbots it would still boil down to class vs class and everyone would continue to moan.

The trouble is buffbots allow you to take down any class, including full tanks. It also makes it much harder for classes that usually would be a close one vs one to be near impossible for the unbuffed player.
Example Nolbypride PK; no mage could solo him because he killed them in 4 shots with 2.x sec drawtime. Well i got him once but only after i died (thanks earth pets ).
Also when my misntrel fights a skald its a close fight, they usually win but still fun, if the skald is buffed its no fun at all.

 

[Arthwyr]

Arth you leveld an infil to 50 just so you could be one of the best at 1-1. You jumped on the bandwagon and bought into the accusations and moans about our class and after the horendous task of getting 50 with an assassin you have come to the conclusion that you are still not there. You're dissapointed, well I for one have no sympathy at all.

LoL what have you been smoking this morning. Try posting on toppic next time.

It's not that you can't make jokes about the ppl running around uberly buffed all the time its just no fun to port (10 minutes) get to a good killspot allive (10-20 minutes) wait for a target or the right combo of 2 targets you can take out as an unbuffed assassin (1-60 minutes) only to jump the lone guy and find out that you miss 50% of your swings with 35% bonus weapons and alot of RA points in +dex/quick/str/cons to see the other guy with the slow hander hit a)just as fast b) 4 to 6 times as hard each swing c)hit each swing. The fight isn't even a challenge and you lose 30-60 minutes of your time.

As for buffs and RAs. Well with buffbot quite simple. Screw +dex +quick high dodger of avoidance of magic. I'll just go for alot of +cons toughness IP and damage boosters
Without buffs ... erg dodger why wont evade much anyhow, 4 points for +6dex another 4 for+6quick ... erg why, the buffed guy will have 50-150 points more anyhow. IP ... cool they can kill you in 6 hits then instead of in 3. To be blunt the entire RA system is a joke compared to the impact of buffs.

 

[infozwerg]

in soloing a "solo" class

in soloing in a multiplayer game?

whiner.

 

[Hatt]

lol you are not alone.. yester day i shot 3 arrows (im 50 hunter) on a FIRE WIZ.. ungrouped, only self bt,... all 3 missed, he just qc a bolt then another one shortly after.. Hunter vs Fire wiz 1v1..
0-1

It ain't fun anymore. AGREED.

 

[old.Leel]

Nolbypridez is yellow con. Yeah, it's their buff bot:-/

 

[Kagato.]

Half the time its more luck then anything else anyway.

But even so its very rare I step out of a tk without seeing a tea-party gathering of buff bots stood around triddling there thumbs.

But at the end of the day theres nothing that can be done about it without nerfing the buff classes directly as well, making buffs range dependent is one solution but its still a nerf that will cause problems and inconvieniances to the people that play that class as a main character not just a bot and thats not really fair on them. The only thing you can do is stop soloing rvr, get a friend to join you or buff you for a share of the rps. Lets face it, with RA's these days theres not many classes that can 100% solo now anyway, and those that still do are most likely the same ones that have been doing it along time and had a fortune of realm levels to spand on RA's to stay that way, hitting IP doesn't take that much skill.

If people want to waste there money on a 2nd computer, 2nd account and 2nd connection, let them. Although the ones using Daox and other hacks should be hung, drawn and quatered admittedly, well, banned at least if not.

 

[-Dreama-]

from what I've read this won't be a problem for very much longer as buffs will go on a timer or be ranged (like 5000 range as far as I've heard). While this will piss off buffing classes to no end (the ones who have high enhance but actually P L A Y their chars) it will fix the buff bot problem. patience my dear, soon enough we'll all be so badly nerfed we'll be getting our asses handed to us by spirit hounds again

 

[cjkaceBM]

Well one of the latest questions on the IGN forums is about buffbots with Sanya asking peoples opinions.

The problem I personally have with buffbots is that not every class gets the full advantage from them except stealthers.

Mythic made a game that was supposed to be all about grouping etc. then gave a set of classes enough advantages to play the game solo mainly the ability to be invisible. Throw buffs on top of that and its a great combination.

Tanks for example don't get that much benefit. Even buffed to the gills they have a distinct disadvantage, in their inability to hide/escape from the region of their kill, so after a couple of kills they are dead. Who would pay the extra cash to get solo RPs every 10 to 15 minutes? The same for mages etc.

The problem is that you can't solve the problem without annoying the much larger population of non buffbot players.

Ranged Buffs - annoying if your buffer gets left behind cos he got stuck to a tree.

Timed Buffs - guaranteed to run out 10seconds before you engage another full group of enemies.

No buffing in PKs - means you have to buff outside of range of PK but people will buff outside then move their bot inside.

Doesn't seem to me that there is a solution, without harming the genuine players of this game.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Noche
P.S.: Certain albs got high rr coz of buff bot too, I´m yet to listen an alb/mid complain about beaten by a NS full buffed (afaik only 1 or 2 atm got that much luck and don´t really play that much).

Not me

And if you don't know of any nightshades with buffbots, I'd hereby like to complain about Envenom (previous owner).


But anyways, I too get mad and scream at the monitor about bastard buffbotted shadowblades running round in packs, but I suck it up and port again, the same as all the people you and I kill in the meantime.

But well, if you are dying every time to buffbotted shadowblades you are really doing something wrong, because I'll win maybe 40% of fights against them if they are solo. Just stick a greater enervating poison on them with your first swing (120 str/con debuff) and you've brought their total hits to the same as yours (mine is now 1199 unbuffed), and reduced their weaponskill to well below yours (mine is now 996 unbuffed with crafted weapons - about 1100 with dropped) and the battle is far more even. If you don't do this, you deserve to lose every time as you haven't learnt to play your class yet.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Fingoniel
shame you can't kill the buffbots - that's the problem with them. They're invulnerable.

GTAE

(until the owners learn to hide them better)

 

[Novamir]

i still think its the single most unbalancing aspect of rvr :/ worse than zerging, population imbalances, certain class imbalances.

i think every char should be a player. i'd like to see you find a player who will buff you and happily go afk whilst you solo in emain and farm the rps.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Novamir
ii'd like to see you find a player who will buff you and happily go afk whilst you solo in emain and farm the rps.

Only managed to find one of those, and that was cos he came home pissed, buffed and fell asleep on the keyboard

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Buffing in PK's/Safe Zones can be eliminated. Simple bit of code to be run at random intervals on all buff-capable classes with a double-faliure required before anyone's buffs are dropped (to prevent buff-loss if someone is in a train and the code runs just as half the train zones or something).

Designate all in-realm and anywhere within safe reach of a PK/in PK as a 'Safe' type areas.

Then Designate all rvr capable zones as unsafe type zones.

[This is just meant to show the general idea btw - lets not have any techies picking holes in my pseudocode please - please tell me if u think i'm wrong btw].

IF PersonIHaveBuffsOn IS NOT InSameAreaType THEN
CancelAllBuffsOnPersonInOtherAreaType
ELSE
IF PersonIHaveBuffsOn IS InSameAreaType THEN
MaintainCurrentBuffs

Run that at a random intervals on each buff capable class and TK/Borderkeep buffbotters are will be eliminated. I suppose they can stick they're buff-bots in an out of the way place in the frontier - will also increase the buff-botters downtime massively.

This will never happen though 'cause then they'll lose probably 1/2 of the 2nd accounts in the game.

Oh and incidentally aussie why dont you go 'own' some more people by shooting from from that nice badly designed spot in ligen. Muppet.

 

[Noche]

Almost 1000 wpn skill unbuffed?! I have 850 unbuffed and 1100 fully buffed... and I use a 16.2 dps 99% qual arcanite curved dagger! Balance... nm...

Btw GTAOE have a range, u can´t kill buff bots be4 master wizard makes u studying ants. And Aussie can 2 shot a caster easy. (sorry yet to see him w/o buff bot so don´t know how much will he need to kill a caster while unbuffed)

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Pin



But well, if you are dying every time to buffbotted shadowblades you are really doing something wrong, because I'll win maybe 40% of fights against them if they are solo.

You are an infil, Noche is a NS, go figure.

 

[old.Finster]

my 2cp:

remove the >lv30 buff spec line buffs from the game.

is the any sense in making buffs available that distort the game balance dramatically and are only castable by unplayable characters?

make buffs ranged. i m all for it.

Finster, <Nolby Pride>
occasionally buffed