Is Northern Ireland part of Ireland?

[rynnor]

A country is just rocks n grass without people -- theres nothing magical about geography as the lines get redrawn regularly -- so the country of ireland (eire) is actually made up by its peoples shared identity -- by this measure northern ireland is part of the UK but not part of Ireland regardless of simple geography.

If it were all about geography europe would consist of one big country.

 

[pez]

If it isn't, it should be.

My question was, well, probably more in the semantical way of things.

I know that it can be done, in the scottish way, in other parts of the world, but if you would say "Japanese whisky is Japanese, and Scottish is Scottish, would northern ireland whiskey be irish whiskey?"

Yeah it would be, I think Belfast has a fairly famous Irish called Bushmills. At least I think its Belfast.

 

[pez]

A country is just rocks n grass without people -- theres nothing magical about geography as the lines get redrawn regularly -- so the country of ireland (eire) is actually made up by its peoples shared identity -- by this measure northern ireland is part of the UK but not part of Ireland regardless of simple geography.

If it were all about geography europe would consist of one big country.

You say Ireland and Eire as if they are interchangeable, which they aren't. Its like saying Canada isn't in the Americas.

 

[Ormorof]

problem ive always had in the UK anyway is when people say ireland they assume both n ireland and republic of ireland, but ive never considered it the same thing myself, n ireland is part of the UK, thus not part of ireland? to say it is part of ireland would be like saying that south korea and n korea are the same because they are both on korea no?

 

[pez]

South/North Korea is actually a very good example. Neither North Korea or South Korea on its own is Korea, togethor they are Korea. North Korea is Korean, South Korea is Korean however they are legally part of 2 very seperate states.

~Just like Neither North Ireland or Republic of Ireland is Ireland on their own, togethor they are Ireland. Northern Ireland is Irish, Republic of Ireland is Irish however they are legally part of 2 very seperate states.

 

[Deebs]

A country is just rocks n grass without people -- theres nothing magical about geography as the lines get redrawn regularly -- so the country of ireland (eire) is actually made up by its peoples shared identity -- by this measure northern ireland is part of the UK but not part of Ireland regardless of simple geography.

If it were all about geography europe would consist of one big country.

In that case, if we take just geography then really the whole world is just one big country as we all share the same land mass.

In my eyes Northern Ireland is physically part of the island named Ireland. Scotland, Wales, England are part of Great Britain.

 

[Ormorof]

on a completely different note, listen to this view on N Ireland! : YouTube - Norn Iron (Northern Ireland) trolls
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v amusing

 

[Sparx]

In my eyes Northern Ireland is physically part of the island named Ireland. Scotland, Wales, England are part of Great Britain.

Ireland isnt a recognised country/union. Great Britain is

 

[DaGaffer]

In that case, if we take just geography then really the whole world is just one big country as we all share the same land mass.

In my eyes Northern Ireland is physically part of the island named Ireland. Scotland, Wales, England are part of Great Britain.

But the country, as written on the front of your passport is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland". When you say, "UK", you're referring to England, Scotland, Wales and NI. When you refer to Great Britain, you're just referring to England, Scotland and Wales technically, but the general view is that NI is considered part of 'Britain' for practical purposes. As others have said, geography is irrelevant. Alaska and Hawaii aren't attached to the other 48 states,but they're still part of the USA. Ditto the Balearics and Canaries with Spain or Corsica with France.

 

[Aesgir]

Yeah it would be, I think Belfast has a fairly famous Irish called Bushmills. At least I think its Belfast.

Cool, Whisky talk

Northern Antrim i think, so not all that far away yeah. Memory was a bit hazy from when i went. Bushmills is nice, but i'm more of a fan of John Powers (who are Co. Dublin based i think)

 

[Dukat]

The best thing about Ireland is Throd's Ian Paisley(sp?) impression!

That is all!

 

[Utini]

So if Northern Ireland is geographically part of Ireland, but politically part of Great Britain, and Ireland is part of the British Isles, even though Ireland is not part of Great Britain, what happened to Fred Dibnah?

 

[Sydrik]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here.

Irish or British.

Kosh = Nob.

 

[Ch3tan]

My god, this is more pointless than the plane on the conveyor belt discussion, and likely to go on just as long even though the answer was given on page 1.

 

[Aesgir]

So if Northern Ireland is geographically part of Ireland, but politically part of Great Britain, and Ireland is part of the British Isles, even though Ireland is not part of Great Britain, what happened to Fred Dibnah?

N Ireland part of the United Kingdom, not Great Britain, there's a slight difference.

Poor Fred

 

[Jimmy]

I think you are all missing the bigger picture here.

Irish or British.

Kosh = Nob.

Quoted for relevance

 

[Sar]

Just found this, on a necro-trawl!



Essentially, we consider ourselves as either British or Irish, dependant largely on religion.

If you're Protestant, you're more likely to consider yourself British (and rightly so, as we are part of the UK).

If you're a hardline Catholic (think Sinn Fein etc), then you'll consider yourself Irish, and love the Irish Tricolour, speak Oirish etc. Essentially wishful thinking.




Oh and political geographic borders are the only ones that count. Gibraltar isn't Spanish now is it?

 

[Munkey]

Oh and political geographic borders are the only ones that count. Gibraltar isn't Spanish now is it?

As a politics student I thought I'd weigh in on this.

Spain itself isn't a geographical location, merely a name for the state within its political boundaries. Its geographical classification is the Iberian Peninsula, of which Gibraltar, Portugal and a bit of France belong to.

Northern Ireland, within a geographical context, is indeed a part of Ireland, as would be denoted within their name Northern 'Ireland.'

Within a political context, Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom, the UK's full name being The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This raises the interesting question of whether someone from Northern Ireland is Irish or British.

In this case geographically speaking it would make them Irish, the same way as someone from Wales classifies themselves as Welsh. But when speaking in a political context it makes them British, as they reside within the UK.

 

[Sar]

Not really. Canadians don't call themselves North Americans do they?

 

[Scouse]

Not really. Canadians don't call themselves North Americans do they?

True, but would you?

 

[taB]

It's my island!

[/braveheart]

 

[DaGaffer]

Not really. Canadians don't call themselves North Americans do they?

Didn't I say that on page one? ZOMBIE THREAD! KILL IT! CHOP ITS HEAD OFF!

 

[Bob007]

I also have a power point presentation ready as well

 

[Chilly]

lock please! answer is obvious and has been stated 85 times

 

[taB]

I'm proud to be a citizen of Great Britian.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm proud to be a citizen of Great Britian.

But you're not. You're a citizen of the United Kingdom (of Great Britain & Northern Ireland).

 

[pez]

I also have a power point presentation ready as well

Thats wrong. Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain.

Hence why its called the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Ireland is part of the nation of Ireland and the state of the UK.

Edit: sorry thought the purple of the Isle of Man (why did you include that? ) was the red of NI. You are indeed correct sir.

 

[Munkey]

Not really. Canadians don't call themselves North Americans do they?

It entirely depends upon the context of the conversation.

British people wouldn't call themselves European when saying where they are from. No, they'd say they're British.

But in a different context, the tag of European or North American does become relevant.

 

[SheepCow]

Northern Ireland is a different country to the Republic of Ireland.

The landmass is called Ireland.

People that were born in Northern Ireland are not Irish, they're British.

 

[pez]

People that were born in Northern Ireland are not Irish, they're British.

They can be either. They can also be Chinese, Indian, Pakistani or whatever they like and still be a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

This would be a lot easier if people started using the word State when they are talking about a political entity.