Is Northern Ireland part of Ireland?

[Deebs]

Kosh and Draylor think it is not.

I believe that the UN classes Northern Ireland part of Ireland.

Comments?

btw, on wikipedia lookup Northern Ireland.

irc log:

[Sat 23 Feb - 23:20] <Deebs> you might not be irish you thick **** but you live in ireland
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <Deebs> so the irish have you
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <Deebs> dozy fucking terroist
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <^kosh> no u thick **** i dont live in ireland
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <Deebs> um you sure?
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <^kosh> Draylor fucking does u dipshit
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <^kosh> i live in the UK
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <gunz> draylor is living in ireland
[Sat 23 Feb - 23:21] <Deebs> you live in northern IRELAND

 

[Frizz]

I thought it was like: Great Britain and Northen Ireland, or simply the United Kindom.

Ireland is a seperate entity to the UK. Atleast, that's how I see it.

 

[Deebs]

The UK is made up of parts of islands. It is a logical representation of a group of islands. Northern Ireland (in the eyes of the world) is part of the island known as Ireland. Kosh is contesting that. I think he is wrong.

 

[Frizz]

It's on the same landmass I suppose.

 

[Aesgir]

Northern Ireland opted out of the irish free state in the 1920's. The Irish Free State was delayed by the first world war, and with royal permission to secede from the union the Republic of Ireland was formed, expecting it to form an all-Ireland government. However in 1921-1922 (can't remember which) Northern Ireland chose by majority of the Ulster provinces to stay seperate and settled borders with the new Irish independent state. It's a totally seperate political body. They still have a clause in the Union with Great Britain that if the majority of their citizens endorse rejoining the republic of Ireland they can leave the United Kingdom.

Hope that helps

edit: just checked the wikipedia thing, says similar thing. Northern ireland isn't part of Ireland, it's part the UK, up until they choose not to be.

 

[DaGaffer]

Stupid incomplete question. Northern Ireland is geographically part of the island of Ireland, but politically part of the United Kingdom. Usually when people ask where you're from they're referring to the political entity; after all a Canadian doesn't say they're North American do they?

 

[Deebs]

Dagaffer, I was referring to the physical part. Northern Ireland is part of IRELAND. Always have been and always will be.

 

[Aesgir]

Well that bits true, they haven't managed to seperate themselves from the main landmass yet

 

[Jonty]

Hi Deebs

You're right, geographically Northern Ireland is part of the same island as Ireland, but politically they're separate. Aesgir and DaGaffer are spot on:

• England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Ireland are countries.
• Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales together. This is more geographical than political nowadays, though we still have 'Team GB' in sports etc.
• The United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland together as a country.
• The British Isles is The United Kingdom and Ireland, plus any other outlying islands. This is a geographical group.

People often ask me about this, so hopefully I'm telling them correctly. It's no wonder they're confused: I was born in England, called British, but have a UK passport

Kind regards

 

[Nate]

Textbook case of how to not elaborate your statements!

 

[DaGaffer]

And just to complicate things further, the island of Ireland is actually part of the British Isles.

 

[Draylor]

Dagaffer, I was referring to the physical part. Northern Ireland is part of IRELAND. Always have been and always will be.

And on that logic England is a part of SCOTLAND.

Which is why taking the piss was far too easy last night

 

[Wij]

Northern Ireland is part of Ireland. Not part of the Republic of Ireland though. Depends what you mean.

 

[pez]

paint skillz

 

[gohan]

thiers no such place is ireland

theirs Northern ireland

and Eire / Republic of ireland

so if you said to some1 im from ireland thier next question is undisputedly north or south?

so in that context Deebs is right, who cares about politics or geography, its all about perception

used to paly with a guy was was for N.Ireland, when any 1 asked where he was from he said SHOCKINGLY im for IRELAND


now wheres that money u promised me deebs

 

[Clown]

Are you Yaka in disguise? Arrrreee you Yaaakaaa in disguiseeee.
</football chant>

 

[DaGaffer]

And on that logic England is a part of SCOTLAND.

Which is why taking the piss was far too easy last night

What? That analogy doesn't stand at all! Scotland and England both occupy an island called Britain. Eire and Northern Ireland occupy the island of Ireland. If the Republic of Ireland was called "Murphysland" or something, then we wouldn't be having this debate.

God, no wonder Americans get confused; it looks like most Brits don't understand their own countries either!

 

[Draylor]

Whats Eire?

 

[DaGaffer]

Whats Eire?

The Gaelic name for the Republic of Ireland. You're scaring me now.

 

[SilverHood]

I think the best answer to this is....

If you're from Wales / Scotland, and you commit a crime in England....
You get no "special" treatment

If you're from Northern Ireland, and you commit a crime in England....
You can get deported.

So, it's part of the island of Ireland :kissit:

 

[Will]

If you're from Northern Ireland, and you commit a crime in England....
You can get deported.

So, it's part of the island of Ireland :kissit:

Err, no. Not even a little bit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The REAL question here is, if whiskey is made in northern ireland, is it irish whiskey?!

 

[Will]

Thats a matter of technique, not location. They make Scottish whisky in Japan. And very nice it is too.

 

[Tilda]

As some have said it depends if you're looking at it politically or geographically.

Geographically speaking, Northern ireland is the north part of the island called ireland.

Politically, Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and not part of the separate Republic of Ireland.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thats a matter of technique, not location. They make Scottish whisky in Japan. And very nice it is too.

Well yes, that's true, but scottish whisky made in japan isn't really, you know, scottish whisky. But i guess that's a matter of taste.

 

[Tilda]

This thread has almost as much potential as the rounds-sandwich debate!

 

[Sparx]

Yup what most have said N Ireland is part of the UK. Easiest way to show is N Ireland have Sterling as currency and not Euros for one.

Also all maps and Weather will show N Ireland part of UK too

 

[pez]

You can't look at it politically since politically Ireland dosen't exist. Politically theres the UK/Eire, historically/culturally/geographically Ireland exists and both NI and Eire are both in it.

Like Portugal and Spain are both Iberian but are two seperate countries.

Well yes, that's true, but scottish whisky made in japan isn't really, you know, scottish whisky. But i guess that's a matter of taste.

I would assume that 'Scotch' is protected by EU law and to sell it in Europe it has to be made in Scotland.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Dagaffer, I was referring to the physical part. Northern Ireland is part of IRELAND. Always have been and always will be.

Apart from when Ireland was connected to the mainland of England/Scotland.

Just like we were connected to the French etc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I would assume that 'Scotch' is protected by EU law and to sell it in Europe it has to be made in Scotland.

If it isn't, it should be.

My question was, well, probably more in the semantical way of things.

I know that it can be done, in the scottish way, in other parts of the world, but if you would say "Japanese whisky is Japanese, and Scottish is Scottish, would northern ireland whiskey be irish whiskey?"