Is marajuana bad?

[Ctuchik]

that gateway theory is bullshit. smoking cannabis hasnt made me want to take heroin. i dont want feelings from other drugs, i want the feelings i get from weed and booze, which suprisingly is satisfied by weed and booze.

people saying it leads you onto harder drugs are not very informed on the whole matter imo

doesent really matter if you do or don't go deeper down the swamp. enough ppl do to make it a viable argument against legalizing it.

the fact that a extreme few on this board say they don't use anything but cannabis doesent really prove anything. but you COULD ask just about any "heavy drug user" and most of them will probably say that they started with smoking cannabis.

and tohtori, its not "for some" for any of what u said. if u do enough of any of it you will get addicted. some more then others perhaps, meaning that they have a easier time to resist the urge. but never only "for some". unless your examples only meaning 1 joint, 1 drink etc etc, then i can agree with you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

and tohtori, its not "for some" for any of what u said. if u do enough of any of it you will get addicted. some more then others perhaps, meaning that they have a easier time to resist the urge. but never only "for some". unless your examples only meaning 1 joint, 1 drink etc etc, then i can agree with you.

Well the "for some", not to be mistaken with the lovely foresome, meant that it doesn't effect ALL like some anti-whatnot want you to think.

Matter of degree in terms. My "for some" meant, "not for all" and you saw "for some" as a minority case

 

[Bugz]

WE'VE HAD THIS FUCKIN CONVO LIKE 10 TIMES BEFORE

mmmmk.

 

[Zenith]

shrug at the ppl that show "proof" that cannabis isnt bad for you. especially those "video proofs".

if yo dont know WHY cannabis is bad its probably already to late for you.


but heres a hint: normal cigarettes (because its legal, not because its any less harmful) --> cannabis --> more and more heavy drugs.

this ofc isnt true for everyone (atleast thats what they claim). but say what you want, cannabis DO have a narcotic effect. and many ppl just cant stop getting more of that feeling, so they get something heavier. cannabis IS most of the time the first classified drug used before stepping up to the "really good shit".

and before you start with the normal cigarettes is just (or more) as bad. if the world knew back then what they know today about the effects of tobacco and nicotine, and alcohol to for that matter, it would be classified as a drug and illegal to. but its a tad late for that now. now all we can do is hope we dont make it worse.

but think about this. IF cannabis got legal, whats the next thing in line to get the lobby groups attention for legalized? you make one drug legal and it can be used as a argument to make slightly heavier drugs legal to. and in the end everyone will be heroinists. yeah thats gonna be awesome.

Marijuana does not have anything to do with heavier drugs imo. As far as I know, and I do think I know quite something about this, the buz of the marijuana is very different from the heavier drugs. And I know ALOT of freaking people smoking, only a few of those have ever tested heavier drugs..
I just get the feeling some people use that argument without anything backin it up. And get a grip, getting marijuana is Not the hardest thing, and I would not say everyone smoking marijuana is hardcore heronists, would you?

Even after saying all of those things I do, to a point, understand why its illegal dring the circumstances.

 

[megadave]

Bring on the daily mail readers

 

[Himse]

Bring on the daily mail readers

ahaha

 

[old.Tohtori]

What i don't, and never really gotten any good answer about, understand is that pot users of all people should understand how annoying it is when other people try to control what you can/can't smoke/drink etc.

And lo'n'behold when a smoking ban thread comes along, or a drinking thread, or see pot smoking people in real life, they are almost adament against smoking and how it ruins the youth and people and health and this and that and yadayada...

Why? I mean...why?!

In short, why are the loudest and most defensive pot users also the loudest and most offensive anti-something people?

 

[Mojo]

doesent really matter if you do or don't go deeper down the swamp. enough ppl do to make it a viable argument against legalizing it.

At the end of the day though the war on drugs has not acheived anything, legal or not people will smoke it. I have smoked it over the years and its status has never had an impact, the big raids have rarely if ever affected availability. Legalising it to me means that the government won't be throwing away millions of pounds try to police something they can't and to win a war that they have been failing to win since the 1900's.

They clearly can't win so they should stop wasting the money on trying to win the war and mother people and spend it managing it I am sure it would be cheaper.

 

[Lollie]

just because they seem to be losing the war doesnt mean they shouldnt fight it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, if it was legalised, there would be negative issues too: DON'T READ THIS AS AN ANTI-POT POST!!!:

More people using it and...
People using it more due to it being cheaper and legal. Equals to more potential problems.
Or...It becoming more expensive due to it being transferred to company use only.(very likely even)
Younger people using it due to easier access.
More public use (prepare to be outcast like smokers)

Just some things that could/would happen if it was legalised and probably a few reasons why it's not.

 

[Mojo]

just because they seem to be losing the war doesnt mean they shouldnt fight it.

If that strategy doesn't work change it, why keep throwing money away? only a fool would continue to fight a loosing battle but when it comes to drugs its the norm.

Also, if it was legalised, there would be negative issues too: DON'T READ THIS AS AN ANTI-POT POST!!!:

More people using it and...
People using it more due to it being cheaper and legal. Equals to more potential problems.
Or...It becoming more expensive due to it being transferred to company use only.(very likely even)
Younger people using it due to easier access.
More public use (prepare to be outcast like smokers)

Just some things that could/would happen if it was legalised and probably a few reasons why it's not.

There is no evidence to suggest people will use something more because it is legal, education is the key. People talk about access but this stuff is not hard to get hold of as it is, because the war on drugs is failing. If the money wasn't wasted on trying to eradicate it there would plenty to deal with any issues legalisation might bring on. Things are not working as they are, that's pretty obvious so why not change strategy? My answer is (basically because anyone who suggests it is seen as supporting condoning drug use and they get politically hung), I guess that a fair amount of our politicians law makers and enforcers would like a change but dare not bring it up in any meaningful way.

I read somewhere recently that most weed in the UK is now grown here. So the supply gets stopped and people respond with creating a new supply chain, one that avoids customs completely.

 

[Joor]

Why You Should Smoke More Pot

The average lifespan in the United States is 76 for a man and 78 for a woman. But if you smoke pot morning, noon and night, you will live an average of two years longer than if you don’t. People who smoke pot but don’t smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol will live approximately 8 to 24 years longer than those who do smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. This was proven in studies done by Dr. Vera Ruben on Rastafarians in Jamaica from 1968 to 1974. The Rastafarians lived up in the hills and were the poorest people in Jamaica. Everyone expected them to have the shortest lives but instead they had the longest lives. They smoked pot morning, noon and night. This study cost $6,000,000.00 and was an extremely comprehensive study. If the same study was done today it would cost approximately $125,000,000.00.

In 1979 and 1980, the National Institute of Science did studies on Rastafarians in Costa Rica that proved the same results. There were only 100 copies of this study released to researchers who were working for the government. The only reason we have the results of this study is because someone managed to leak a copy to NORML in 1981.

Between 1968 and 1975, there were about 10,000 marijuana studies done all over the world, but mostly in American universities and colleges. Approximately 4,000 of the studies were universal health studies. Almost all of them proved marijuana to be beneficial in every way. The few that were unfavorable were never proven by a second study.

In 1974 and 1975, Dr. Donald Tashkin did research to prove marijuana was harmful to the lungs. He was the head of pulmonary research on marijuana at UCLA Hospital. He predicted that more people would develop lung cancer from smoking marijuana than from smoking tobacco. Dr. Tashkin was 100 percent positive that all of the studies about marijuana would come out negative in his lung research. He had the only study in the whole country from 1975 to 1999. After 1975 there was no more funding for positive marijuana studies of any type by the U.S. Government for any reason whatsoever. Only a negative study could get funding from the U.S. Government and Dr. Tashkin had almost all of it. I came out against Dr. Tashkin in 1979.

In 1981, I was approached by Dr. Tashkin to take part in his study. I was protesting the marijuana laws on the front lawn of the Federal Building, 500 yards away from the UCLA Hospital and University on Wilshire Boulevard. I signed up (along with about 50 other pot protesters) for Dr. Tashkin’s study because all of the UCLA students refused to participate in his study after Ronald Reagan took office in January 1981. Dr. Tashkin saw us pot protesters every day at the Federal Building for 102 days. We weren’t college students and we smoked pot morning, noon and night.

Once or twice a year I would have interviews with Dr. Tashkin. I told him about the positive effects of marijuana. We disagreed 100 percent and he was sure I was wrong. This was a long term study. I was paid $80.00 to $90.00 for each test from 1981 to the mid 1990s. Once or twice a year I would go smoke marijuana to get the pulmonary lung studies done and I would interview Dr. Tashkin as part of my research for my book, “The Emperor Wears No Clothes". I told Dr. Tashkin from 1981 to 1997 that no one gets lung cancer or any other type of cancer from marijuana because Dr. Vera Ruben and Dr. Todd Mikuriya had already each separately proven it. I had been doing research for my book since the early 1970s.

Now Dr. Tashkin has come out and is saying the same things I said to him 25 years ago. There is no link between marijuana and lung cancer or any other type of cancer. In fact, Dr. Tashkin has found that marijuana, by killing off old cells that could become cancerous, can actually prevent cancer.

If you want to live longer, smoke more pot.

Jack Herer
July 4, 2006

ASTHMA

More than 15 million Americans are affected by asthma. Smoking cannabis (the "raw drug" as the AMA called it) would be beneficial for 80% of them and add 30-a60 million person-years in the aggregate of extended life to current asthmatics over presently legal toxic medicines such as the Theophylline prescribed to children. "Taking a hit of marijuana has been known to stop a full blown asthma attack." (Personal communication with Dr. Donald Tashkin, December 12, 1989 and December 1, 1997.) The use of cannabis for asthmatics goes back thousands of years in literature. American doctors of the last century wrote glowing reports in medical papers that asthma sufferers of the world would "bless" Indian hemp (cannabis) all their lives. Today, of the 16 million American asthma sufferers, only Californians, with a doctor's recommendation, can legally grow and use cannabis medicines, even though it is generally the most effective treatment for asthma.

NAUSEA RELIEF (e.g., AIDS, CANCER THERAPY, SEA SICKNESS)

Though it is known to be extremely damaging to the immune system, chemotherapy is claimed by practitioners to benefit cancer and AIDS patients. But chemo has some other serious side effects too, including nausea. "Marijuana is the best agent for control of nausea in cancer chemotherapy," according to Dr. Thomas Ungerleider, who headed California's Marijuana for Cancer research program from 1979 to 1984. This is also true in AIDS and even in the unsettled stomach common in m otion sickness. Pharmaceutical nausea control drugs come in pills that are often swallowed by the patient, only to be thrown back up. Because cannabis can be ingested as smoke, it stays in the system and keeps working even if vomiting continues. Throughout the state's 10-year Compassionate Marijuana Medical law, George Deukmejian, both as attorney general and as governor, with no regard for the suffering or dying cancer patients, made it virtually impossible for them to get cannabis. Californa Governor Pete Wilson was following the same course until the medical marijuana initiative passed in November 1996.

SLEEP AND RELAXATION

Cannabis lowers blood pressure, dilates the arteries and reduces body temperature an average of one-half degree, thereby relieving stress. Evening cannabis smokers in general report more restful sleep. Using cannabis allows most people a more complete rest with a higher amount of "alpha time" during sleep as compared with prescription or sleep-inducing patent sedatives. Prescription sleeping pills (the so called "legal, safe and effective" drugs) are often just synthesized analogs of truly dangerous plants like mandrake, henbane and belladonna. As late as 1991, doctors, pharmacists and drug companies were fighting off new legislation to restrict these often abused compounds. (L.A. Times, April 2, 1991). Unlike Valium, cannabis does not potentiate the effects of alcohol. It is estimated that cannabis could replace more than 50% of Valium, Librium, Thorazine, Stelazine, other "-zine" drugs and most sleeping pills. It is unconscionable that, over the past two decades, tens of thousands of parents have committed their own children, aged 11 to 17, to be treated by massive doses of so-called "-zine" drugs in order to get them off pot, at the urging of parent groups, the PDFA, the feds and administrators and doctors from federally approved, private and high-profit drug rehabilitation centers. Often, "-zine" drugs do work to stop these youths from using pot. They also stop a kid from loving his or her dog, too - and children stand a one-in-four chance of suffering from uncontrollable shaking for the rest of their lives.* But at least they're not high. * The U.S. Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta said that 20-40% of "-zine" drug users have or will develop permanent lifetime pasies (shakes), November 1983. These prescription neurotoxins are chemically related to the pesticide and warfare nerve gas Sarin. Hundreds of private drug-rehabilitation centers and their leaders keep this policy alive and in front of the media, often quoting discredited reports from NIDA or DEA (see Chapter 16, debunking) - because they earn fat profits selling their useless or destructive "marijuana treatment" for children. After all, a relapse just means using marijuana against after a number of bouts with an "authority." This is mind control and an attempt to destroy individual free will.

STRESS AND MIGRAINE HEADACHE RELIEF

Most of all: it is best for the world's number one killer - stress. It can safely curtail or replace Valium, Librium, alcohol, or even Prozac, for millions of Americans. While cannabis intoxication varies with psychological set and social setting, "the most common response is a calm, mildly euphoric state in which time slows and a sensitivity to sights, sounds and touch his enhanced." In contrast to marijuana's safe, therapeutic action, benzodiazepine (Valium) abuse is the number one drug abuse problem in the country, and is responsible for more emergency room admissions in the United States than either cocaine-related problems or morphone and heroin-related admissions combined.* While tobacco constricts arteries, cannabis dilates (opens) them. Because migraine headaches are the result of artery spasms combined with over-relaxation of veins, the vascular changes cannabis causes in the covering of the brain (the meninges) usually make migraines disappear. Evidence of vascular change caused by cannabis can be seen in the user's red eyes, which are extensions of the brain. However, unlike most other drugs, cannabis has no apparent effect on the vascular system in general, except for a slightly increased heart rate during the onset of the high.


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[Chronictank]

Also, if it was legalised, there would be negative issues too: DON'T READ THIS AS AN ANTI-POT POST!!!:

More people using it and...
People using it more due to it being cheaper and legal. Equals to more potential problems.
Or...It becoming more expensive due to it being transferred to company use only.(very likely even)
Younger people using it due to easier access.
More public use (prepare to be outcast like smokers)

Just some things that could/would happen if it was legalised and probably a few reasons why it's not.

If it was legalised it could be controlled,
for one the drugs would be cleaner and purer, secondly you could slap a high tax on it
Like smoking you would actually get more money from them, than spent on treating problems in the NHS etc.. etc..

I personally cant see any reason not to legalise it :S, if it was a class A drug then you have a case, but a joint is no worse than a pint.

 

[Maeloch]

As with all things a bit of moderation will go a long way.

All things in moderation, including moderation.

Man does not know the meaning of enough, until he's had too much.

...fucked if I know who i'm quoting.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Man does not know the meaning of enough, until he's had too much.

Hell, i drink sometimes and don't even realise i had too much before morning

Then again, is that too much or just right... *hmm*

 

[crispy]

Its the right amount if you cant remember you had it!