Is it just me..

[old.Whoodoo]

..or has Midgard (perhaps even just excalibur) become really anti-social these last few months.

I ask because I used to enjoy reading BW and FH Midgard forums, and it seems all that ppl talk about on here now are "wots my best FotM" teplate, and little else.

Much the same for the game of late, even my guilds alliance strangles the use of /as to such a minimum ppl are scared of retribution should they actually use it. The other day the miserable gits on there even moaned when someone gave out info regarding enemy movements in Odins and Jamtland, which is what I thought /as was to be used for.

Even my own guild has gone all quiete, gone seem to be the days of us chatting the day away while we expd like mad in dungeons, crossed swords with the enemy, or announced raids both PvE and RvR.

Is everyone these days locked up in their own little uber world, only reaching out to others for their own benefit? Or when they want that certain item they cant quite get alone?

I miss the days of meeting and greeting new people into exp groups, RvR groups and no one was FotM, call me an old romantic, but I miss just getting to know others in the game.

This has been really sparked by my recent trials on Prydwen, where the culture is like DAoC used to be for me in Midgard, only without so many people. The sociablilty is there, the organisation is there, and people seem to have more fun.

Maybe Im wrong, are the other exc realms the same, or indeed the other servers, but I do miss the old banter.....part of what used to make this game fun.

Discuss

 

[Shrye]

..or has Midgard (perhaps even just excalibur) become really anti-social these last few months.

I ask because I used to enjoy reading BW and FH Midgard forums, and it seems all that ppl talk about on here now are "wots my best FotM" teplate, and little else.

I recall even back from BW, that Midgard forum has always been the most quiet one, almost as quiet as the BW Hib/pryd forum

Much the same for the game of late, even my guilds alliance strangles the use of /as to such a minimum ppl are scared of retribution should they actually use it. The other day the miserable gits on there even moaned when someone gave out info regarding enemy movements in Odins and Jamtland, which is what I thought /as was to be used for.

To that I agree, however with the variety of cg's and bg's being run these days, I believe (or rather, hope) that all the intel merely has gone to those instead of outright disappearing. Or maybe people just need to find themself and find out what's acceptable, after the massive ToA campaign with /as spammed each night.

Even my own guild has gone all quiete, gone seem to be the days of us chatting the day away while we expd like mad in dungeons, crossed swords with the enemy, or announced raids both PvE and RvR.

Afraid I disagree with that one, there's usually always been alot of chatting in my groups. Altho, one of the reasons I think you might believe people are afraid of saying anything, is that it happens on BG raids, where people is to be paying attention? I dunno wether that's true or not, merely a theory...

Is everyone these days locked up in their own little uber world, only reaching out to others for their own benefit? Or when they want that certain item they cant quite get alone?

Wrong. The game is merely so old, that people has found alot of friends already, so they don't really need any more - they're quite comfortable with those they have already, which takes nourishing to keep. Hence these people tend to play together, wether it's the FOTM group or the unbalanced group with 2x45 thanes and a 23 hunter

I miss the days of meeting and greeting new people into exp groups, RvR groups and no one was FotM, call me an old romantic, but I miss just getting to know others in the game.

No one is holding you back from what I know. Actually, on the contrary - all options is open, thanks to the albs and hibs taking our keeps every day, there's always realm defense groups to join... Calling them FOTM would be like saying the pope is a buddhist

 

[Kami]

Whoodoo mate one of the reasons I and the rest of my little guild are staying in Kobbie Fiddlers is because we all know each other and we actually chat and help one another. A lot of guilds seem to have tons of members who only ever talk on /as or /gu when they need something but go all quiet when someone asks them for help (or even go /anon). We'd considered merging with a (wont name them) larger guild but reconsidered at the last moment and we're staying put.

I'd rather have a spammy alliance chat (trust me Kobbies does) than one that was silent. Sure the spam can be annoying but it's also nice to see people chatting as the game does feel a little "cold" at the moment. One of my mates starting playing Mid/excal recently and I'm glad to say he's enjoying it and has made a few friends in game, it seems that people are generally quite happy to help and chat to others but aren't willing to make the initial approach. People only seem to talk to others when they need something, rather than chatting for the sake of it.

Little things like offering a res if you see a death message and the person is close, if you see someone struggling with a mob, ask if they need help. Daft things like that which use to be common place, seems these days a lot of people are too busy or just stuck in thier own little work of soloing.

I sort of hope TOA will somehow bring people together that normally wouldn't group and that'll transfer across into RvR, but I doubt it.

If you need a guild though Whoodoo just gives a shout I'm sure you'd be welcome into Kobbie Fiddlers

 

[old.Whoodoo]

If you need a guild though Whoodoo just gives a shout I'm sure you'd be welcome into Kobbie Fiddlers

Thanks for the offer old pal, but for now RD will stay my home, so much hard work going to waste isnt my style. I know it needs a revamp and a touch up here and there but hey, its still home.

Dont get me wrong, I still enjoy Midgard and its adventures, but days gone by I used to mingle with players from all guilds, not just my own plus any straglers we pick up as we toddle off to Odins, but many others. Sadly a lot fo them have left the game, and theres little new blood to get to know.

Before SCing and ToA these forums still had a little life, even if it was someone just saying "I wtfpwnd j00!!" from a freindly hib or alb. Even the recent event in Mularn was skimmed over on here and fogotten in the same time it takes me to type "this". A few teams turned up, had a little fun, then it went again....how many actually noticed?

I tried to orgnaise Midstock, got 3 or 4 replies and gave up, despite the last one raising 28p (pre SC and farming TG raids!) toward the relic keeps. Now if you want to go dragon hunting, TG raiding, or a lot of RvR, bring only the right chars or dont bother.

This doesnt go for everyone (Ardamel had a nice 40 runie in grp the other day to show a decent example), but for the majority.

This is my opinion, I was only looking for your ideas not comparison to mine.....

 

[yaruar]

This doesnt go for everyone (Ardamel had a nice 40 runie in grp the other day to show a decent example), but for the majority.

This is my opinion, I was only looking for your ideas not comparison to mine.....

Yeah but ardamel even invites gimpy thanes like me into his groups.

I do agree with you, there does seem to be a lack of community in midgard. Lots fo guilds and groups are already firmly entrenched and other people don't get a look in. Especially for new players this must be extremely frustrating as it's frustrating enough for us oldtimers...

I was hoping that TOA was going to bring back some of the old spirit, and to a certain extent it did, the very first weeks were great with everyone running round like n00bs and grouping with anyone they could and actually having fun and getting to know the new people, but more recently it's gotten a lot harder with established guild groups and fotm groups beginning to dominate in TOA as well as on the battlefield.

It does seem however that there is just as much bickering and fighting going on in realm as there was for a long time. Although at least we are still holding together when it comes to keep raids and realm defence, i think this could be the key to building up community again (that and big public raids with no prerequsites......) I'm bust atm, but will be organising TOA raids in the coming weeks when work quietens down and i have a few ideas for fun raids on the hibs/albs which will hopefully get guilds talking again...

I do think it's a valid point that was made earlier though, it's all well and good have rules in /as to stop spamming and total breakdown of it's use, but /as is one of the key ways of inter guild communication and when it's too draconian guilds on the whole don't have many ways to interact which probably doesn't help...

We'll see, it will be say to see things fall back to the bad old days when guilds really didn't care about each other.

 

[Rulke]

I have my /rude macro on page 1 now instead of page 4.

 

[Graveland]

I so agree with you Whoodoo my friend. I've been playing on mid for over 1½ years, and I can clearly see that the current situation is quite bad, and no improvement in sight...

The way I see it, more and more of mids are getting greedy. I think we all heard about encounter "stealing", and tbh many doesn't care about the situation of our realm. Seen ppl go /anon when a call of arms been issued, seen ppl go /anon when they are asked of taking a keep for DF, many doesn't care about realmdefence anymore; only the l33t arpees from emain matter. Kinda sucky, but quess we can't force people to play this game as it was meant to be played. Players create the game nowadays, the community. And tbh it ain't so good anymore...

 

[Olgaline]

hmm i'm having more fun than i've had in a long time thease days, and meet new ppl all the time, granted it isnt like the old df fg days..but stil social or at least more so imo since toa & bg's arrived..and we'r having a blast i AB

 

[Kami]

Maybe you need to get Kobbie Fiddlers into your alliance Whoodoo, we'll inject some much needed wit into it

 

[kirennia]

Can't say I've seen the same happening in Alb, in fact, some guilds are relaxing more since ToA came in. Our alliance consists of FC, NO, BoB, LoD and SF, isn't exactly small or big but we have no restrictions on our /as banter, guild banter or whatever and tbh, there hasn't really NEEDED to be a restriction. Lots of inter-guild stuff going on etc.

Of course this will probably subside a bit when everyones kitted out and back to RvR but it'll never stop.

As for the realm as a whole, of course there are arseholes everywhere but either I seemed to have avoided them or they seem to have disappeared for the main part. Desipte what people think about Albion as a whole due to a few morons ruining the rep of the many, a very large proportion of players seem to be older, maybe that is why.

 

[Glumur]

join some guild in Red Shadows alliance imo. best and /as ever u can say what ever u want there :kissit:

 

[Kalba]

join some guild in Red Shadows alliance imo. best and /as ever u can say what ever u want there :kissit:

Like LFOM alliance used to be.... Nice and small where everyone were friends... :wub:

Nowdays if you say something that´s not totally on the subject you get Five PMs of:"DO YOU WANNA LOOSE YOU /AS RIGHTS PAL????" : uke:

 

[Raven]

Maybe Im wrong, are the other exc realms the same, or indeed the other servers, but I do miss the old banter.....part of what used to make this game fun.

pretty much the same on hib, i think a big part of it is the sudden potential boost that every class can get from toa items and such, everyone wants to be able to compete, and to some people if that means stamping on everyone else. Its a shame, i miss the old times but the game has to move on :/

 

[yaruar]

Like LFOM alliance used to be.... Nice and small where everyone were friends... :wub:

Nowdays if you say something that´s not totally on the subject you get Five PMs of:"DO YOU WANNA LOOSE YOU /AS RIGHTS PAL????" : uke:

I think it is possible to reach a happy compromise. Certainly in the lfom alliance it would be nice to see /as used for more organising of inter guild stuff and some chat as long as people didn't take the piss and were civil, and respected that when there was important stuff going on they need to stfu and listen, but that could just be my utopia

I know inthe past there certainly was more interaction between guilds but it's tricky no with communication not that easy.

 

[Eragan]

hmm yea it have been abite quiet this last month, but it will be better soon when ths school is over and every1 is happy : )

 

[Olgaline]

hehe well i dont mind that random DF stealther reports are nerfed abit, and that /as isnt used as a trade cg...

but when i got a pm from someone that wasent even Fom for asking in /as if any wanted to join ml4 grp raid i got abit anoyed yes

 

[Urme the Legend]

Can't be arsed to discuss /as rules one more time uke:

 

[Salamurhaaja]

I don't know the reason why you can't even tell is /as "I hold trade cg."

 

[old.Whoodoo]

but when i got a pm from someone that wasent even Fom for asking in /as if any wanted to join ml4 grp raid i got abit anoyed yes

Thats exactly what Im talking about, why should we be so narrow to also block out non alliance ppl and raids....before /as came along we all got on together regardless. Its almost becoming like racism!

Urme, while I respect your rules for /as, we dont have to agree with them. I didnt really want to go down that road myself, but as you can see, its an issue the alliance rules have made worse.

On Pryd (sorry to keep comparing), /as has all kinds of chatter, but its not over the top. The odd trade CG announcement, intel on enemy movements, raid organisers and the odd LOL! or MT! dont hurt at all. Its been shown time and time again that its not the ones making those statements that mess up /as, but the ones going "bleh, /as aint for j00 stfu or get kicked!!!" which creates an endless loop of arguing.

But this detracts from my original point, which wasnt just about /as but the realm as a whole, including these forums.

 

[Urme the Legend]

I know that everyone aren't satisfied with the /as rules.

In the beginning LFOM was a very small alliance with 2-4 guilds in it and we used /as for almost everything... DF diamond groups.. exp groups, RvR groups, defence etc.. but then we were perhaps 30-40 online in /as at peektimes.
LFOM grew larger with more guilds over several month, and when we were around 100-120 people online in the alliance at peektimes it got worse of course.
So we made some rules that all GM's/Officers in the alliance at that time agreed to. I think Runolas began to write the rules and everyone made their changes and tweeks. Most of the rules you find on fom.nu was written 1 year ago.

Now 1.5 years after the alliance was made we are the largest alliance in Europe with over 200 people online each night, sometimes over 250 people online.. and I guess that 90% of them can see and read /as.

I never give anyone a /send when they for example are selling a BoI over /as. Usually I find the GM and tell him to point out the /as rules for the one that used it that way. Most of the times I just let it go and hope that the GM of that guild will tell him to follow the /as rules.

Most of us don't want useless spam about selling stuff etc.. we encourage people to organize ML raids etc over /as. But however we do not encourage lazy people to ask for MLx raid several times/night.

For example yesterday.. a guy asked about a ML1 raid.. (guess he didn't get any response) .. 2 hours later he asked again for a ML1 raid. Instead of asking if someone else did a ML1 raid, he should have tried to gather 1-2fg and done it. I bet that he never became ML1 last night because he waited until someone else organized it.

So yes LFOM got very strict rules because we want this alliance to last.. and not going the same way so many other alliances gone.
Before FOM started the alliance we were in CE alliance if I remember correct.. and that was a disaster at the end.

Almost forgot what the thread was about in the first place..

 

[Runolas]

Thats exactly what Im talking about, why should we be so narrow to also block out non alliance ppl and raids....before /as came along we all got on together regardless. Its almost becoming like racism!

Urme, while I respect your rules for /as, we dont have to agree with them. I didnt really want to go down that road myself, but as you can see, its an issue the alliance rules have made worse.

On Pryd (sorry to keep comparing), /as has all kinds of chatter, but its not over the top. The odd trade CG announcement, intel on enemy movements, raid organisers and the odd LOL! or MT! dont hurt at all. Its been shown time and time again that its not the ones making those statements that mess up /as, but the ones going "bleh, /as aint for j00 stfu or get kicked!!!" which creates an endless loop of arguing.

But this detracts from my original point, which wasnt just about /as but the realm as a whole, including these forums.

I simply have no clue were all this information is coming from. I have written (thx to those looking over my grammar/spelling etc - I know is not good) most of the rules for the LFoM-alliance for use of /as. I have always made sure that the rules are interguild friendly, but it seems that a lot of ppl are making up new rules that are not there.

1) You CAN use /as to ask for ANY class in RvR, thus make sure that if you need a Skald for RvR, you can ask for one. However your not allowed to spam /as with Healer lfg RvR - see the difference? I have used this option several time, even got pm's about it, but I politly point to the /as rules allowing it.

2) You can use /as to inform about ANY PvE hunt related to Artifacts, ML's or other larger hunts regardless of who is organizing it. The restriction is gathering ppl for XP-grp. We have open up for larger Alliance XP-grps in /as, but few have used it. Thus I have no clue what so ever why you cannot annonce in /as that a ML4 is going on and need ppl. Again - asking in /as "any ml going on" is what is considered spam and not informing that there is a ML going on that needs ppl.

3) You can use /as for ANY RvR realated (realmdefence) info, but clearly our own frontier is what is most important. The rules also state that DF reports are allowed.

4) Trade CG's are NOT allowed, cuz with our huge allaince it will simply end in too much spam.

Imho - the rules for LFoM-Alliance are not strikt, but ppl need to read the rules ffs . having said that ppl need to understand that we cannot have the same rules for /as as a small alliance with only 4-5 guilds. If you want small alliances for a more free use of /as our realm defence will suffer. Imho ppl need to understand these fundamental differences.

On to the main subject of the post I think that there are more stuff going on now than ever, but sadly some ppl seem to show no respect for other players with regards to Artifacs etc. Then again those ppl have always been there, like the old lair list. Ardamel and others have organized many open ML hunts, but still ppl are not satisfied - that bothers me a lot. How about taking matters into your own hand and actually start something yourself.

In short - stop beeing so negative and take a , cuz too much focus on the negative side of the game will destroy your fun. If you want something to happen it is your responsablity too you know.

 

[Runolas]

Before FOM started the alliance we were in CE alliance if I remember correct.. and that was a disaster at the end.

Nazgul-alliance. Killgorde made CE after that we never joined it.

 

[Runolas]

Like LFOM alliance used to be.... Nice and small where everyone were friends... :wub:

Nowdays if you say something that´s not totally on the subject you get Five PMs of:"DO YOU WANNA LOOSE YOU /AS RIGHTS PAL????" : uke:

I have noe clue what has gotten into you as of lately. You never used to be like this b4. The rules have been more or less the same since day 1, but we have added tweaks here and there to open up for more stuff like ML's etc. If someone has gotten any replys like this I would like to know, but imho I think your taking this over the top.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

Two different things happened in a past few weeks that I wondered if I should tell them is /as

1. I see about 1,5fg albs high up in a zonewall after that corner at mtk Emain waiting for mids to leave mtk.
2. I'm going for mmg Emain stealth-mode and see fg mids passing me by at distance
(I didn't click they, so I don't know their names).
About 4-5 sec later I see fg hibs chasing them.

I didn't tell in /as about albs that were stalking mids at incident1,
but I did use /as at incident2 by saying something like:
"hibs chasing mid group who are going mmg emain".
Afterwards my guildies asked how many angry PMs I got by telling emain information in /as.
Answer was zero, which surprised them.

I know it's not propiate to tell in /as that there's 4 alb stealthers at amg S wall Emain,
or 2fg hibs camping amg Emain whit shrooms.
But when I see fellow mids chased by others, I god damn use /as to warn them even if it is in Emain.
But I wonder if I should told about albs at incident1 in /as.

But doesn't matter they were destroyed anyway
Mids who I tried to warn in /as got killed tho /cry

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Runolas and Urme, as I said before I do understand your reasons for the tight control over the use of /as, however in 3 instances lately (twice last sunday and once monday night) ppl were told off for using /as to report activity in Odins. I wont name names, but they were asked to use the current BG that Nuclearbomb had running.

Not everyone is aware of cg's/bg's all the time. Not everyone is enclined to join something they are not directly involved with. This was an FoM member flaming the informant too.

As for shouting LFG, again, last friday a guildie was shot down in PM for doing this, another shot down last week for asking about forming an ML group.

The problem here isnt the flames, its the lack of informity people have regarding the rules, as for a long time the alliance MOTD stated "AS is for realm defence only!" - correct me here. Then reading your rules its not...ok.

Im chilled, but dissapointed in reading this and much in game about ppl being just plain miserable, non grouping, non-organised (except for defence with Ardamel), and very fotm. Perhaps my view of things is clouded, but after spending time on Pryd, it takes me back to the freindlier days of my old realm.

This thread incidentally was not intended as a flame against our alliance, far from it, but its just one of many aspects in game that make me sad

Needless to say Im still playing and do enjoy the game immensly.

 

[Olgaline]

2) You can use /as to inform about ANY PvE hunt related to Artifacts, ML's or other larger hunts regardless of who is organizing it. The restriction is gathering ppl for XP-grp. We have open up for larger Alliance XP-grps in /as, but few have used it. Thus I have no clue what so ever why you cannot annonce in /as that a ML4 is going on and need ppl. Again - asking in /as "any ml going on" is what is considered spam and not informing that there is a ML going on that needs ppl.

btw i was in no way trying to attack /as rules, since i for one like the way they are, and i did point out to the person that what i was doing was fully within the rules, what anoyes me are the self proclaimed /as police.

oh and yes Ardamel has been doing a damn great job lately, ml's, realm defences, and and hib keep raids.that have been top fun.

 

[Runolas]

Sala...

I think information from Emain is imho on the border of what /as should be used for - Keep figths etc aka bigger alliance RvR raids is deff. within, but for smaller figths pm's are much better for all involved. This is basicly, cuz at least 50%+ of those that are in emain are not in our alliance. In addition we do not want a mixup of Odins and Emain information.

I have the same dilemma at times, but I prefere to PM the RvR grps instead telling of enemy movments etc. This is easily done if you just click on 1 of them as they pass by. I like to inform Mid grp of enemy movements and will tell them asap if see something. If someone does use /as for such info from time to time I don't mind, as there will always be stuff on /as that does not belong there. It even says in the rules that we have no need for rules lawyers either.

 

[Kami]

Whoodoo mate it's a shame to see you so pissed off with things seeing as I remember midstock (still got the bow I bought there) and the fun everyone had that turned up. I think this thread might have proven what you were saying though, people seem too eager to beat on each other (see my thread with netcode here - my mistake).

I don't like spam on alliance chats but at the same time I hate when it's rarely used, guilds are meant to be "allied" and you can't do that if you rarely talk to one another so sometimes a bit of banter on /as is a good thing

 

[Runolas]

Runolas and Urme, as I said before I do understand your reasons for the tight control over the use of /as, however in 3 instances lately (twice last sunday and once monday night) ppl were told off for using /as to report activity in Odins. I wont name names, but they were asked to use the current BG that Nuclearbomb had running.

I would very much like to get the names of those that pm ppl about such, cuz it is clear that ANY infomation of enemy movements in our own frontier is and should be on /as. That also incluedes alliance raids in Hibernia and Albion, like the one Ardamel had on Sunday.

Not everyone is aware of cg's/bg's all the time. Not everyone is enclined to join something they are not directly involved with. This was an FoM member flaming the informant too.

The same goes here. Informing of CG/BG when our alliance is defending our realm or raiding enemy realm is ALLWAYS allowed in /as. Again give names and I'll handle the matter.

As for shouting LFG, again, last friday a guildie was shot down in PM for doing this, another shot down last week for asking about forming an ML group.

Shouting lfg in /as = not allowed. Informing in /as about ML raid = allowed, and yes plz do more of it. Again use your head, if you ask over /as "any interest of forming a MLx Raid" your not really informing anything...

The problem here isnt the flames, its the lack of informity people have regarding the rules, as for a long time the alliance MOTD stated "AS is for realm defence only!" - correct me here. Then reading your rules its not...ok..

The problem here is ppl not reading the rules, and it is every GM/Officers job to inform new and old guildies to read them. There has _never_ been anything in the rules in those lines. In fact this "The channel should mainly be used for information on invaders, general RvR related stuff like keep defences/takings etc. It is also OK to use it for arranging PVE-hunts. In fact we encourage people to use /as for arranging multi-guild parties, believing it will get us to know each other better." is some of the core parts I wrote in my first draft. The PvE and RvR part has later been outlined more as you can see if you read the hole section.

Im chilled, but dissapointed in reading this and much in game about ppl being just plain miserable, non grouping, non-organised (except for defence with Ardamel), and very fotm. Perhaps my view of things is clouded, but after spending time on Pryd, it takes me back to the freindlier days of my old realm...

I'm no fan of PvE, as I have too little time (I feel) to play daoc and I want to play RvR as much as possible. However there has been countless ML's and Artifacts raid that I could have join, but didn't bother. In fact there has Imho never been so many PvE hunts I could have joined. Having said that I still feel that ppl need to take more initiative, and cannot expect that others do everything for them. It took me several months to get my first lvl 50, and I have no plan for getting a ML10 uber Artifact toon asap. I'm in no hurry.

This thread incidentally was not intended as a flame against our alliance, far from it, but its just one of many aspects in game that make me sad

Needless to say Im still playing and do enjoy the game immensly.

Well I understand and the reason I replyed is that it seems more ppl read FH instead of going to the LFoM-alliance forum to read the rules.

Good to hear that you enjoy the game, but I got to give you my 2 cents

 

[Runolas]

btw i was in no way trying to attack /as rules, since i for one like the way they are, and i did point out to the person that what i was doing was fully within the rules, what anoyes me are the self proclaimed /as police.

oh and yes Ardamel has been doing a damn great job lately, ml's, realm defences, and and hib keep raids.that have been top fun.

Well I agree and again refering to those god damd rules
"This is our most valuable tool for communication between the guilds. It is not meant as a chatting channel. Try to be tolerant; if someone types something that you might think don’t belong there. We don’t want rules lawyers spamming /as either." '
The reason why the /police has been more out lately is that we decided to let things "flow" a bit during the first few months of ToA, then tigthen up the rules again, but it seems that some ppl like to be /police without knowing the rules, and that bothers me a lot.

Yes, I would be more happy if ppl for once sad thank god we have ppl doing stuff for the realm. Btw, BC is doing ML6 on thursday...just an example.