Is it just me or?

[Danamyr]

This is a bit of a QQ thread, because to be honest I am pretty fed up. I've just spent the last 4 hours running about the Realm trying to find a group for my Scout, Elphias. He's Lvl 44 ATM.

I am so fed up of the bullshit excuses given by people. I am always polite when asking to join groups, but it is sickening to ask time after time to get refused.

A few examples:

I see a guy shout over /as for a couple of people for an AC PB group, so I have a look for them as I just zoned in. I find the group and ask to be told I can only join the group if I have a Cleric as well with at least 30 Rejuv (which I haven't). The group has 2 spaces free at this point. I ask if I can join until they do find another 2 Lvl 50s and get told no. They'd only have me if I was a minimum Lvl 48 because it would "...completely mess up their XP having a low level Scout in the group." Since when has Lvl 44 been low level? I just couldn't believe how unreasonable the GL was being so left them to it.

I just tried my luck again, again in AC, at the entrance. Three members of a Guild I won't name. I was told I couldn't join because they were a trio. I explain the difficulties I have had all evening hoping they'd take pity, but alas no. I have a run around to look for other groups but the place is dead. When I return to the entrance their trio has grown to four. I sigh :/

I know people have a choice of who to group with, but I have never done anyone any harm. In the past it wouldn't have been so bad, but there's less people on then ever - I can never recall some places being so empty, or there being so few groups.

What's wrong with people FFS?! I do NOT want to XP on my own...if I had wanted that playstyle I'd be playing a different game!

My Guild (as usual) is devoid of life, as was HG tonight so I have been pretty out of options. I don't play to solo, so that's out too.

I knew levelling a Scout with be difficult, but I never knew it would be this frustrating TBH. I'll be glad when he's Lvl 50 because I think this will be the last toon I bother to level - the games supposed to be enjoyable not stressful

I'd welcome advise from other Scouts, just please read my post above before doling out the flames etc.

 

[Loonatik]

A sad story mate, but a very common one as well these days. DAoC is still a great game, but the community is getting worse every day

 

[Tilda]

tbh, scouts never get groups, if you cant handle soloing, either level up on ML raids, or go rvr and leech xp

 

[Dafft]

Took me 8 months to lvl 50 w/o buffs I know the feeling

 

[Kagato]

ML raids are some of the best exp you can get to be honest, doing ml5 and 7 pre steps is worth lots.

 

[echekiel]

This is a bit of a QQ thread, because to be honest I am pretty fed up. I've just spent the last 4 hours running about the Realm trying to find a group for my Scout, Elphias. He's Lvl 44 ATM.

I am so fed up of the bullshit excuses given by people. I am always polite when asking to join groups, but it is sickening to ask time after time to get refused.

A few examples:

I see a guy shout over /as for a couple of people for an AC PB group, so I have a look for them as I just zoned in. I find the group and ask to be told I can only join the group if I have a Cleric as well with at least 30 Rejuv (which I haven't). The group has 2 spaces free at this point. I ask if I can join until they do find another 2 Lvl 50s and get told no. They'd only have me if I was a minimum Lvl 48 because it would "...completely mess up their XP having a low level Scout in the group." Since when has Lvl 44 been low level? I just couldn't believe how unreasonable the GL was being so left them to it.

I just tried my luck again, again in AC, at the entrance. Three members of a Guild I won't name. I was told I couldn't join because they were a trio. I explain the difficulties I have had all evening hoping they'd take pity, but alas no. I have a run around to look for other groups but the place is dead. When I return to the entrance their trio has grown to four. I sigh :/

I know people have a choice of who to group with, but I have never done anyone any harm. In the past it wouldn't have been so bad, but there's less people on then ever - I can never recall some places being so empty, or there being so few groups.

What's wrong with people FFS?! I do NOT want to XP on my own...if I had wanted that playstyle I'd be playing a different game!

My Guild (as usual) is devoid of life, as was HG tonight so I have been pretty out of options. I don't play to solo, so that's out too.

I knew levelling a Scout with be difficult, but I never knew it would be this frustrating TBH. I'll be glad when he's Lvl 50 because I think this will be the last toon I bother to level - the games supposed to be enjoyable not stressful

I'd welcome advise from other Scouts, just please read my post above before doling out the flames etc.

Give me a PM ingame i may help u get some lvl even tho i have respec caby no need of cash for this

 

[Arawnz]

its a sad story and well known... ill gladly grp with you when i get back from exams tho, just PM me in-game

 

[Minikrampan]

I was one of them

i was there in AC yesterday, we were almost a fg like you said 2 slot left.. but we were in need of an ice wizz and a cleric.. we used our bot as cleric and had 2 ice wizzes that were lvl 42 (somthinge like that) me and cherralinn and bewntrejan who was in that grp.. we came to AC for one reason: to pl bewntrejans reaver. Ofc we want the best grp then.. If else ofc you could have join.. and if u have 2 slots left and is in need of a cleric and a atleast 48 icewizz you dont get a scout in the grp do you?

 

[Eeben]

Its only scouts who got this problem Havent had 1 good group in ac with out haveing to log cleric/icewiz an use my theug as leech really sad you need to have a 50 icewiz or cleric to get groups

An yes scouts is a pain my first "real" daoc char was a scout an not 50 yet

 

[Arawnz]

and if u have 2 slots left and is in need of a cleric and a atleast 48 icewizz you dont get a scout in the grp do you?

still... he asked if he could join till you got the icewizz or cleric you needed.... i dont see why he could not do that...

 

[scorge]

I know what you mean, I dont mind leveling up my heretic in catacombs doing quests etc or log my necro, but to be honest i am not there to PL i would prefer a group and less XP then to solo.

If i want to solo to level i will play WoW.

I wish people would group more and not worry about uber XP. All i see nowadays is endgame, rvr, endgame. No one want to casual level, and i must admit there are very few new players in game, whatever GoA say.

Finding groups and/for leveling is no longer enjoyable

 

[Danamyr]

...and if u have 2 slots left and is in need of a cleric and a atleast 48 icewizz you dont get a scout in the grp do you?

This is *exactly* my point. I completely understood you were reserving your last 2 spots for specific classes of a higher level - I wasn't getting my panties in a twist over that.

What really annoyed me was that you wouldn't let me join until you did get the two characters you needed. It wasn't like you couldn't cope as you were either - I watched you deal with huge pulls easily. I explained I had 42 Shield so could Guard and Slam, and had decent melee.

I could have contributed to the group. I wasn't asking to be PL'd, and TBH I found being called 'low level' more than a little insulting.

It's difficult enough to find groups these days with fewer and fewer people on line. Perhaps you (and your cohorts) could cease being so selfish in the future and give people who are not as fortunate a chance to progress.

 

[Elvo^Rylu]

The eternal problems of a scout

If you havnt done your catacombs quest this level, you really should go there and do all you can get, they are so easy you wont believe it. You can do 1 lvl in ~2 hours or so down there, every 3 lvls.

But as has been said before, scouts are never wanted in groups, sad but true,

 

[Zagg]

One thing strikes me as odd: Why do you play a solo char, if you don't enjoy to solo? A scout spends a good part of his life solo, not only while leveling up, but also in the endgame (RvR).

You might ask yourself, if you have picked the wrong class. If you wanted to group in PvE, you could better play Cleric, Paladi, Icewizz or Theurgist. Also: Why don't you look for an active guild, if yours is empty...

 

[Danord_durin]

One thing strikes me as odd: Why do you play a solo char, if you don't enjoy to solo? A scout spends a good part of his life solo, not only while leveling up, but also in the endgame (RvR). Wich scouts are u talking about hahahahahaha cause i never meet em.

 

[Danamyr]

One thing strikes me as odd: Why do you play a solo char, if you don't enjoy to solo? A scout spends a good part of his life solo, not only while leveling up, but also in the endgame (RvR).

You might ask yourself, if you have picked the wrong class. If you wanted to group in PvE, you could better play Cleric, Paladi, Icewizz or Theurgist. Also: Why don't you look for an active guild, if yours is empty...

A Scout does not have to be a solo character, it's just that the common perception of them is as solo characters. I think it's a sad reflection of the community that people eschew certain classes in PVE in order to make an 'optimal group'.

The Class can contribute nicely in a PVE group, and in RVR they can find other stealth classes and group with those or join a random or Guild FG.

When he is Lvl 50, I do not intend to play him solo in RVR unless I have no other option. I certainly do not think I picked the wrong Class. I ought to be able to roll any Class and get a group - that's what PVE is all about.

As far as my Guild goes, that's not an easy question to answer. I wanted to join Knights of Pendragon for a long time, in fact I was pestering Javai for over a year before she finally relented!

The Guild is very small. My GM is a superb leader in both RVR & PVE, and she's also one of the nicest people I've known ingame. The members are a very selfless, unassuming and helpful bunch.

The Guild became quite quiet before Cats was released, and then perked up again, but recently it's been really lonely on /gu. Some members have left for good, others are taking a break and the remainder are on Hib/Pryd preparing for clustering.

I guess the reason I haven't looked for another Guild is because I keep hoping that things will get better. Hoping that people will return and the Guild will be the way I remember it. I accept that it may never, as the game generally is in decline, so I guess I'll need to address that at some point in the future.

There's not a lot else I am prepared to add to that really, so I hope it answers your question!

 

[zeusmdk]

scout solo class ? so why have thye got 1 of the best block rates for guard rates in the game second to pally imo

scout in pve should know there place they make good suport class, try lvling an inf have never had a pve grp with that. but i can see your point m8 over the last year grp have stopped most peeps beg for pls ect and just dont grp any more (catacombs made it better for about 1 week)

but thats life in daoc

 

[Konah]

stock up on crush arrows and hit barrows skeleton/tree room ^^

scouts dont get grps.

 

[Jaem-]

When I leveled Saifang up I used to get group quite often in AC, dunno if it was due to leveling with the same wave of people that knew I wasn't just another full bow with crappy weapon spec Scout or my exciting personality! (usualy the quite one).

 

[Zagg]

A Scout does not have to be a solo character, it's just that the common perception of them is as solo characters. I think it's a sad reflection of the community that people eschew certain classes in PVE in order to make an 'optimal group'.

Well even though you think a Scout can be a group char, 99% of all albs will not agree, which does effectively make a scout a solo char, alone for the fact that you won't get groups easily in PvE or RvR (despite stealth zerging).

I can't agree with our opinion that you ought to be able to roll any class and get a group. A group has a right to pick those classes that fullfill it's needs best, and scout can't do anything best (not even blocking, unless you plan to spec 50 shield)

If that is a sad reflection of the community, then one could as well claim that playing a Scout is a selfish move, because the community needs more Clerics, Friars and Paladins...

I still stick to my opinion, that you picked the wrong class if you play this game solely to group with others... but you go ahead and play whatever class you want, while others will go ahead and group with whom they want... because this is a game and we are all supposed to have fun playing it.

 

[Danamyr]

Lots of stuff

Well for a start, this has the potential to descend into an something I'd rather not be part of, so all I shall say in reply is you clearly do not speak for 99% of the Realm, and perhaps people will determine themselves which of us are trying to enjoy the game as it was designed and which of us are symptomatic of all that's wrong with the Realm.

Additionally, if you examine my sig you'll see I already have a Paladin, so I am hardly selfish.

Furthermore, I very much doubt you *ever* do what is in the best interests of the Realm, so to accuse me of not doing so is quite frankly disgraceful.

 

[Golena]

Well for a start, this has the potential to descend into an something I'd rather not be part of, so all I shall say in reply is you clearly do not speak for 99% of the Realm, and perhaps people will determine themselves which of us are trying to enjoy the game as it was designed and which of us are symptomatic of all that's wrong with the Realm.

Additionally, if you examine my sig you'll see I already have a Paladin, so I am hardly selfish.

Furthermore, I very much doubt you *ever* do what is in the best interests of the Realm, so to accuse me of not doing so is quite frankly disgraceful.

I think you might of got hold of the wrong end of the stick here and then ripped it's head off. I think he was trying to make the point that you saying that people should invite you to their groups also gives them the right to say, well you should play something that fits well into our group. Not saying that you were being selfish for wanting to play a scout.

I think however what your seeing isn't the problems with playing a scout or any other character but what happens to all games of this nature after a certain amount of time.

At the beginning in the early days of the game no-one knew anyone, other than a few people playing with friends and those migrating from other games. Everyone was looking for other people to play with and to make friends with so getting groups was easy.
As time goes on people form friends to play with, start grouping with their friends more and more. New people discover the game and either join in with existing groups or form their own.
Now we have reached a point where almost no new players are joining the game. Most people playing have their set groups and mates and the need to go find new people to play with isn't really there anymore. People do still look for new friends in the game but not to nearly the same extent as they used to.

What does this mean..

If you play a needed class (paladin/cleric/ice wiz) you can still get groups. Groups still need these classes and if they can't find them among their personal collection of mates they have to seek elsewhere to find them and here's your chance to get a group!
If you play a not needed char (scout for example) and by not needed i'm not saying that you can't contribute, just that there's a large collection of classes that can do just as well as you and if the group doesn't have one they arn't going to not be able to achieve the result they are after. There's no need for them really to invite you. They probably have several ingame friends already, your not going to bring anything needed to the group and you'll probably slow down their exp.

What you actually experienced wasn't a night where no-one wanted a scout in AC. What you experienced was a night when your mates wern't online and no-one else wanted to take a chance on the unknown. Yeah it's not the best scenario in the world, but it's unfortunately how the game is nowadays.

People want to level up characters as fast as possible to get to rvr so they make opted groups to do it. You want to play your scout up in groups. No reason why you can't do this as well, but don't expect the people who want opted groups to invite you. If you get upset everytime an opted group turns you down it's going to be a long road to 50. Your best bet is to find 2/3 people, either here or in game and set aside a time a few times a week to go level. It's not going to be the fastest way to get to 50 but it lets you get to 50 the way you would like. The other option is attend ml raids or other events. The exp from them can be quite good and you have a good chance of getting a group regardless of your class. It's also a good way to meet new people to group with outside the events (assuming you don't /stick /afk).

The days of getting 40, running to the AC entrance and yelling LFG appear to be over. There's ways to meet people, but i'm guessing since you have a pally that your probably trying to find groups in a similar way to how you found them with him and getting dissapointed. If you want groups of friends to take you in from the outside roll a class they need. If you want to play with your friends then roll any class you want, but you have to make them first! This doesn't necessarily mean go join another guild if you like the one your in already. There's a friends list right there in game and a bunch of people wishing they had some company scattered about.. instead of trying at AC entrance, try /who 44 and pm some people asking them if they are doing something you could join. You'll find lots of people who simply don't want to know.. don't let them upset you, it's their choice. But find 2/3 people over the first week and you'll probably not have much problems by the second week.

Sorry for the insanely long rant, but i'm tired and didn't realise when I should of stopped (i.e. about 4 pages ago).

 

[pbaz]

Some great points from Dej (tbh I also think you reacted a bit strongly to Zag's post).

However, the simple truth of the matter is that scouts have never gotten groups in DAoC. Pretty much from day 1, they have been the "hardcore" solo-my-way-to-50 class. Don't you remember the, literally, endless BW whines from upset scouts that couldn't get groups?!

And although I understand your frustration at the group choosing not to "make do" with a scout until one of their required classes came along I can also see things from their side... You say they were managing large pulls without you - so why take on another class (not just a scout, but any other random class)? The only reason for them to expand their group was if a "required" class came along that would make the XP rate faster for them. Additionally, without knowing you they might easily assume that if they invited you temporarily that you'd whine/flame/insult them when they kicked you for the "required" replacement (note that I'm not saying you'd behave in such a way, just that they can be excused for thinking this may be a danger).

To some extent I agree with Zag - you've chosen the least group-friendly character in Albion to level up. I think it'll be tough for you to slog to 50 on a class that clearly goes against your expectations of the game. Bear in mind that the next 3 levels are the only tough ones left. At 47, you'll be able to do a slew of Catas quests and ding 50 from those. No, it's not grouping, but it's an easy and entertaining way to make those last 3 levels. After that, your freedom in RvR will make the next few levels of pain worthwhile.

Keep going - like generations of scouts before you, you'll get there in the end. When you get a frustrating evening like last night, just turn off the PC and go do something more fun instead!

 

[Danamyr]

Thanks to both Golena and PBaz for your replies, I appreciate the thought and effort you put into your posts. The game has changed a lot, and I can accept I get frustrated too easily because I don't like the way things are sometimes. The good still outweighs the bad though!

I thought Zagg was having a pop, and reacted accordingly. If I misinterpreted his point then I apologise.

I am not going to give up, I can't let 5.5 levels beat me!

 

[Eeben]

I am not going to give up, I can't let 5.5 levels beat me!

If you need someone to duo with spam me on msn could use some lvls on my scout or theug

 

[Zagg]

I thought Zagg was having a pop, and reacted accordingly. If I misinterpreted his point then I apologise.

I was not having a go at you. Why would I... And tbh, if you would just make the effort to read my posts, before you get off at me, we might get along much better

 

[Ging]

before you get off at me

zag u dirty bastard!!!!!

 

[Danamyr]

And tbh, if you would just make the effort to read my posts, before you get off at me, we might get along much better

TBH if you wrote your posts in a manner that did not allow for them to be misinterpreted we might get along much better

 

[Faya]

and there i sat, waiting for a /cheer Faya for taking in that sad scout ..how silly am i!
dont bring it now, cause its to late anyways ..if you find my by accident in AC i might take you in AGAIN!!

<goes sleep>

Faya

 

[Eeben]

zag u dirty bastard!!!!!

lol