Is enough never enough?

[Scunner]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
/hunter_whine on

Wee, Midgard TEH MELEE realm!!!


Ranger melee: dex/quick, str buff and dmg add from pathfinding, spec in thrust, slash and dual wield, evade 3

Scout melee: specable shield, evade 3, spec in thrust and slash

Hunter melee: dex/quick buff, pet (dmg add?) from beastcraft, spec in slash or slash (there is no 16.5dps craftable thrust spear), evade 2 (used to have evade 1 only till 2 patches ago)

Now Scouts and Rangers aint only the better melee archers. They are also the better archers.

Ranger/Scout has access to 5.5spd bows with greater range than hunters.
Ranger damage add affects arrows.
Scout with slam, pb-crit shot is evul.


Who is Mythic trying to kidd by calling Midgard the melee realm?

Edit: Dont even get me started comparing the style effects and chains of the different archers.

Just thought id mention that u get instapet which totally gives hunters the edge not to mention ur speed buff!

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
Agree.

...Humm, agreeing with Flesh. Ouch. oO

Dooky - why not say you wouldn't swop them but that you might consider swapping them instead. You get to disagree all you like still

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Jupitus
Dooky - why not say you wouldn't swop them but that you might consider swapping them instead. You get to disagree all you like still

Haha :>

S'good point tbh...

/em retracts last statement

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by Flesh
Would you swop a runemaster for a wizard?
Would you swop a warrior for an armsman?
Would you swop a savage for a reaver?
Would you swop a bonedancer for anything?
Answer to all of those is no.

Wouldnt be any fun to switch to some overpowered class, so the answer is indeed no

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Originally posted by Scunner
Just thought id mention that u get instapet which totally gives hunters the edge not to mention ur speed buff!

Sorry, forgot to mention those... I dont have them. I didnt consider a blue con pet that misses more than it hits and usaly gets parried/blocked/evaded when it hits, a speed burst that breaks if an enemy does a little more than look at you, a dex/quick buff that you can get from a shammie with 21 aug and an AF buff that does nothing to lvl 50s worth 527 of my 2979 spec points.

Maybe mention this one too: Scouts and Rangers AUTOTRAIN bow, Hunters autotrain nothing.

 

[dakeyras]

Minor differences in relative class power means jack in good RvR. 4 or 5 of any combat class will drop someone quickly when using /assist.

Trying to balance classes 1 vs 1 is a pointless exercise in futility. It will never happen...but then this game isn't about 1 vs 1, it is about RvR.

Whether a savage quads 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 means nothing when that savage is assisted by 3 zerkers. Whether Levi/Anni are overpowered back styles is irrelevent when the reaver/champ has 3/4 other melee hitting with him.

I think melee classes are pretty much fine as is. They are not meant to each solo an enemy. Balancing needs to look at primarily support issues/utility.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Flesh
Swop?
You can have a scout instead of your hunter..
We'll take insta ae stun and best pbaoe class in the game.
Agreed..Midgard is not the melee realm.

Best pbaoe class in the game..you feeking gotta be kidding..yeah the SM pbaoe hits slightly harder...but guesse what.. HE DONT HAVE ANYTHING BUT THAT..nix nada numbsda...Ohh sure I forgot his " uber " ghetto rezz

 

[rynnor]

Originally posted by Flesh
Would you swop a runemaster for a wizard?

Actually this ones not quite as clear cut as it initially seems - sure runeys have run speed and can spec pbt at cost of damage but wizards do have normal (non-debuff overpowered) caster damage in a variety of forms plus next patch they have the practically godly Volcanic Pillar RA which is amazingly nice!!!

Warrior v Armsman is a very bad one to have used if your trying to demonstrate Mids Ub3rn3ss - these two classes are pretty much balanced with armsmans better damage/better armour absorb v Warriors free 2H without the damage from actual 2h styles.

Reavers are a bit crap atmo but no doubt their loving will come. Mid lucked out for some reason in SI - maybe Alb will get the two best classes next expansion (although necros were once THE best class in SI for RvR until they fixed LOS).

I'd swap a BD for an Infi with some skill.

 

[dakeyras]

Originally posted by rynnor

Reavers are a bit crap atmo but no doubt their loving will come.

Are we playing the same game?

Reaver vs Savage = Reaver wins unless played badly, and specced poorly.

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by rynnor
plus next patch they have the practically godly Volcanic Pillar RA which is amazingly nice!!!

200 DMG insta AE, yea its nice, but like youre gonna have 7 wizards in a group all with it, with how much it costs....

But thats just one of the really vague scenarios the fuckwits on VN come up with.

 

[stafford]

ffs probly the first post i ever made that was well structured, thought out and had a good point
and no-one read it !

 

[Danamyr]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Except one realm is badly missing any form of useable AE insta CC

Alb: Ice Wiz AOE Root
Hib: Nature Druid AOE & Insta AOE Root
Mid: Pac Healer AOE Mezz & Stun and AOE Insta Mez & Stun

Which Realm are you talking about mate? Seems all three are covered to me pretty well IMO...I accept Ice Wiz AOE is castable, but with QC it may as well be Insta

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Danamyr
Alb: Ice Wiz AOE Root
Hib: Nature Druid AOE & Insta AOE Root
Mid: Pac Healer AOE Mezz & Stun and AOE Insta Mez & Stun

Which Realm are you talking about mate? Seems all three are covered to me pretty well IMO...I accept Ice Wiz AOE is castable, but with QC it may as well be Insta

Lol that is why I used the magic word 'Insta' oh and to quickcast anything you need to stop running and be stood still, then wait for the 1 second run time to elapse, quickcast it which can be interuptted by which time you have usually been insta stunned by the Mids or Hibs insta mezzed you. I have played the game for 20 months so I think I would know if Albion had Insta CC

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Lol that is why I used the magic word 'Insta' oh and to quickcast anything you need to stop running and be stood still, then wait for the 1 second run time to elapse, quickcast it which can be interuptted by which time you have usually been insta stunned by the Mids or Hibs insta mezzed you. I have played the game for 20 months so I think I would know if Albion had Insta CC

It does but it's in the smite specline and is pbaoe mez if i remember

 

[-mk-]

Originally posted by Flesh
Would you swop a runemaster for a wizard?

Actually, yes.

VP > Runemaster imo.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
It does but it's in the smite specline and is pbaoe mez if i remember

9sec pbae mezz that lasts 3 seconds because of dropoff and resists, how many groups would let the cleric run in and drop that baby