Is albien gimped?

[vew-victus]

Is albion gimped?

After taking a look at the sorcerer thread i am starting to think albion is the worced rvr realm...

are we really that bad? cuz it bloody well seems like with every patch things get worce and worce...

mezz gets nerfed soon meaning our sorcs will be less usefull then the other 2 realms crowd control classes...

Hib druids get the group purge realm skill? do they think thats really balanced or what..

just askin for yer thoughts...

 

[old.Wildfire]

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Yes albion is gimped, no-one ever argues against this, oh no.

 

[Jiggs]

we have too many specialist classes, some hib and mid classes can do what 2-3 of our albion ones can.

 

[NoBrains]

we have too many specialist classes, some hib and mid classes can do what 2-3 of our albion ones can.

[QOUTE]Mythic won't use realm abilities to balance the classes[/QOUTE] <- lol

 

[vew-victus]

Mythic really need to bloody think before adding new skills/abilitys too daoc some realm skills are not even worth having in the game while others improve other classes so much it they seem unbalanced.

Armsmen get this Soldier's Barricade Large bonus to group's armor factor for 30 seconds every 30 min and costs 10 realm points. So for 30 secs every 30 min your group takes 10 less damage per melee hit.

" WTF IS THAT GOOD FOR sorry Mythic you can take that realm abilty back its a waste of realm points"

Its hard enough for tanks to get realm points as it is but you would think mythic would give us a decent group realm skill that would help the group get realm points and not this. Is this a joke by mythic "IS IT?" im sure all us armsmen out there dont think its funny when we go charging into battle for our realm.

Paladins on the other hand get upgraded in the next few patches and have a very decent realm skill Faith Healing : A powerful group heal. This percent-based heal is effectively the same as the highest spec group insta-heals that primary healers get.
every 30 min and costs 14 points.

yeah i am jealous of paladins group realm skill and i am bitching but everyone bitches so who gives a dam...

mythic sure doesent

 

[SilverHood]

tanks aren't meant to farm RP

They are ment to meant to protect casters while they farm the RP for you

 

[NoBrains]

Tanks are ment to rush and get mezed while the rest kills

 

[SilverHood]

well, enemy tanks are supposed to let themselves get RP farmed by us casters

 

[old.Wildfire]

Not meaning to spark off an argument but ... i just think it's idiocy and unthinkingly stupid of mythic to give one realm a group purge RA and not give it to another realm as well. Yes, I am bitter, but it is F&^£ING STUPID.

 

[vew-victus]

After patch 1.53 i dont think anyone will want to play a sorcerer anymore so our realm is totally fecked then...

How will mythic explane itself when people start leaving albion due to the bad state of rvr in our realm.

Who's going to stay in a realm were we have little or no crowd control ( which wins most rvr battle's of course )

Hibs get group purge + there is enough bards around cuz they can do more then mezz so people love them.

mids well there mezzer type is also there healer type so they are badly needy for groups = there are enough healers for 1 per group in there realm on this server atleast.

if things dont change soon there will be only 2 realms worth playing on if you want to win in rvr...

anyone disagree? to be honest i hope i get proven wrong cuz i like albion as a realm apart from our rvr situration...

 

[Greezy]

u forget mincers ae mezz....

 

[pitspawn]

omg whoopi do!

5 second cast aoe mezz that almost ALL high level minstrels wont have because they dont have 45 instruments and will need to respec to do so. Because mythic have made respec a one time only thing i think most minstrels wont use it either.

Trying to sell an account with the respecs used doesnt help with getting bids.

 

[old.LandShark]

personally, with the advent of see hidden I thought it would be stupidty to forgo the final AE mezz for one more level of stealth. So, hey, at least one poor bastard here who'll be doing the /victory animation (yep, mythic didn't even give us a casting animation) for 5secs even now and again trying to get through the AMG.
Albion doesn't have enough sorcs; all the minstrels sitting around bemoaning this won't actually help the situation.

To answer the original point of the thread: yes, absolutely. Albion is the worst realm in RvR terms.
The central problem lies with the crowd control classes:
Midgard: chain, baseline buffs, secondary speed, healer hp.
-AE stun/mezz and insta versions of the same, assuming a high pac spec.

Hibernia: reinforced, baseline buffs, primary speed, healer hp. Instaamnesia and DD on top of AE instamezz.

Both classes not merely have a much higher degree of RvR survivability, due to better armor, higher HP etc, but are also much more common; bard is the single most easily-groupable class in the game and unlike PBT-whore theurgists, doesn't lose anything in RvR do be it. Healer is the realm's primary healer and is the single best crowd controller in the game, and certainly seems popular enough to me

Albion: cloth, caster hp, secondary speed.
Potentially very good mezz (best radius/duration in game) and with a lvl50 pet in the same specline, however.... NO INSTAS. No instas + no armor + no buffs, plus the fact that the game itself advises would-be sorcs to be an avalonian (avalonians are 99% casters and thus targetted first in any engagement) = very low survivbility.

They lose survivability in exchange for their direct-dmg and debuff spells, but... well. They're hard to level (Mid Healer adds primary heals and Hib Bard adds power/end regen, speed, wide range of CC tricks and also buffs) and, lacking instas, very hard to use effectively in RvR.
*shrug*
End of rant.

well.... kind of.
More to come i'm sure

 

[Jiggs]

maybe i am missing something but i remember when i started playing that i looked at the mid healer and alb cleric and went: o right the middy one got better cc and the alb one got more damage output (smite spec). it seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

then they nerfed our clerics' damage AND cc.

bollocks

and pls dont tell me some crap about lightning wizard, just look at the realm points earned and _show_ me these uber cleric realm point farmers pls.

take a interesting class which could be played a few different ways and nerf one spec to limit the options.

thanks

 

[-yoda-]

imo alb isnt gimped . but compared to other realms classes rvr offensive/defensive abilities albion lacks big time .
sorcs are still as good imo in 1.52 as they are now . all the cc classes have the same mini mezz nerfs , and imo its a good thing mezz has been scaled down a bit .
clerics are still v viable in rvr but the people who made smite clerics think they gonna be disapointed with less dmge output .
but they can still deal dmge ,. its just mythics tried to push clerics into a more healing role . cos most clerics would smite/smite smite and not heal there grp . the mini nerf on smite forces clerics to heal more often .

as for ra's i totally agreewith wildfyre 1 realm with GROUP purge and not the others is ridiculous , ok minstrals sos can break my grps mezz but if the mins is mezz'd also he has to use purge 1st then sos . which is a huge amount of ra points spent to be able to free your group , also bards gtting insta ae mezz . omfg tat is taking the piss , hibs have casters with 9 second stun and sweet a$$ nukes . bards with various mezzes and uber insta ae mezz . druids have ae root? "not 100% sure on that but whilst playing usa servers it sure as hell seems a ae root . they got tons of healing chars , whilst we have sorcs good mezz . but there hp/armor loses the ubernes of there mez. and no instas at all . cleric mezz is insta but on a timer!!!!! it sucked anyway but nerfing cleric insta mez fugged it up . minstral ae mezz is a joke . i can honestly say if any person says that spell is usefull then he is an idiot vcos it sux big time and 99% of minstrals who goto rvr will NEVER use it . there single targt mezz can mezz maybe 1-2 people 3 if the enemy is slow or dumb . and minz stun aint to good either with resists doesnt last v long these days .

i dont want hib or mids cc to bnerfed but it would be great to see albions cc get a boost and maybe give mid and alb group purge . maybe pallys or cabbys for alb and warriors or spirit masters for mid seeing as they are 2 of the most gimped or unplayed chars in there realms . im sure group purge would make a lot of people happy in mid/alb because its still 1st to get in mezz wins . except vs hibs cos they got no lack of druids and group purge

 

[old.LandShark]

Speed of sound cannot break your group's mezz at all. It nullifies 30secs of the duration of a mezz, provided the SoS was cast a split second before the mezz landed.

Just a point, you say "albion isn't gimped but just has a big disadvantage in RvR" - well, erm, duh?
Gimped doesn't mean hopelessly doomed, it means weak....

 

[old.Wildfire]

I suppose it can be done on numbers if you discard RA's for a minute (which screws up the whole thing because frankly hibs getting group purge is enough to tip ANY scales in their favour).

Assuming that each realm has the same abilities spread across their classes (ae mezz, bolt casters, tanks, healers, PBAOE e.t.c.), you can see that in a group of 8, an alb group will only have 8/12 (thats 2/3) of it's abilities available. That's assuming that you only have one of each class type, which rarely if ever happens. Hibbies on the other hand will have 8/11 (halfway between 2/3 and 3/4) of its abilities present, and Mids will have 8/10 present, which is exactly 3/4 of its abilities.

Mids on paper therefore have an advantage from the start - their abilities are concentrated onto less character types, and therefore are able to fit more abilities into a group. Why mythic didn't think of this in the first place, I don't know.

This can also be applied to zerg warfare but I don't have the time to work out the numbers. The proportions of abilities within the zerg will however stay the same, therefore mids will have more of any given ability, then hibs, then albs.

 

[vew-victus]

well since its clear albion is gimped lets all just delete our characters and move to hib or mid no point in fighting a losing battle is there?

maybe mythic will take notice when albion becomes the least played on realm but to be honest i dont think they give a dam ...

 

[Herbal Remedy]

Originally posted by vew-victus
well since its clear albion is gimped lets all just delete our characters and move to hib or mid no point in fighting a losing battle is there?

maybe mythic will take notice when albion becomes the least played on realm but to be honest i dont think they give a dam ...

umm u checked us server stats tons of albs have rerolled mid or hib already

 

[Khalen]

Jo dude, we OWNED yeah we OWNED Mids at AMG in Odin's Gate yesterday. We were with about 8 people and they were with 9. Gotta love cleric AE mezz

We were hiding up in tower because some albs who went to Yggdra were ganked by about 10+ Mids. Some went to Hib wall I guess but another FG came to Alb wall. We were hiding up in the tower and awaited their arrival. They could ress one just in time (we ganked another FG who were waiting for us also when we arrived at amg). And then they spotted us in the tower. Both clerics on one side and then they came storming in. Bam mezzed some. then all hell broke loose. The ones who were not mezzed I stunned. Then when 30 secs was over again we just remezzed again (gotta love the timer still, will be 5 mins later )

What I like so much about this is that we beaten them at their own game (Albs aren't dum Mids are just as dum )

 

[opoc]

Originally posted by Jiggs
we have too many specialist classes, some hib and mid classes can do what 2-3 of our albion ones can.

That is the reason Mids can beat Albs with half the amount of people.

 

[Apathy]

Mmm...

My main is a lvl 42 sorcerer. It was my first ever char and very much my favourite. I chose the class after looking around at the others and I think the reason I went for it in the end was charming pets. ~rolls eyes~ God, that was stupid...

Anyway, I now have 34 mind and the rest body. I get a tangler group very easily and have no problems in PvE. Easy peasy.

But RvR! God...what a joke. The only way I can get RPs is if I manage to get into a group of 8 and hide behind a bloody tree! If I try and do anything else, it's always the same. Mezz/stun/dead.

I've grouped with some brilliant clerics in PvE but there is not a single person who can keep me alive in RvR. I don't think having a tank protecting me would help much either...he'd just get mezzed too. Doh. Tanks protecting sorcs just means double the RPs for the people who saw a tall guy in red with a staff and thought "W00t! Deeeeeeeeeeeeeath to you!".

On the rare occasions I've managed to get an AoE mezz off using QC (The VERY rare times that I've not been interrupted.), it gets resisted most of the time. And the rest purge. Or aren't in the AoE reach.

I've tried soloing a yellow or two in RvR and all that happens is as I am casting my mezz, they start running towards me, use Instant Stun/Mezz or something and interrupt me. Then I die in three hits.

It's very frustrating. As someone who likes to play support, I've just given up on my sorc for a while and started a rejuv cleric. It's so fucking easy to level a cleric it's crazy!

I appreciate that my sorc isn't exactly high level, but it should still be able to do SOMETHING other than protect a patch of the grass from withering UV rays. But frankly, I can't handle another fourteen years of moronic tangler groups or mindnumbing PL so I can get to lvl 50 and discover...it's exactly the same.

Maybe when that patch that makes lvling 40-50 much quicker comes out, I will try again. But by then, I'll be down to a 10sec cast on all AoE mezzes and they'll have taken the range down to 300 and the area to 5. ~rolls eyes~

"New in patch 1.55r - The Sorcerer class now has 5HP. All other realms gain the all-class ability of "Kill Sorcerer", an instant ability with no timer, that will stun and one-hit all sorcerers within a range of 4000."

Urgh. Anyone want baseline buffs?

One more thing...respeccing...why so few respecs? Is it Mythic's cunning plan to make things more even?

"Sorry guys, but it's not OUR job to make everything fair and challenging without being absurdly difficult. We'll just make it really easy to gimp yourself with no recourse, meaning we can spend less time nerfing. Yes, we KNOW single Mid/Hib classes can do the jobs of three separate Alb classes, but let's just hope they all spec wrong. Mwahahaha!".

AAAAAAAARGH.

a.
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[opoc]

Yeah give all Albs 20 respecs...all Hibs 5 and all Mids 0

 

[Karam_gruul]

well, alb armsmen would be the best tank in the game (ie, hardest hitting and best looking), but unfortunatly mythic gave hero's 2 full insta heals meaning they're now a bit of a cheat class and over power any other tanks

 

[Northstarr]

pallys also get 2 instas (ip and faith heal) but pallys also have no range so there probly used b4 they get close enuf to the enemy to hit em :/

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Northstarr
pallys also get 2 instas (ip and faith heal) but pallys also have no range so there probly used b4 they get close enuf to the enemy to hit em :/

aye and pallys are kinda shit..

 

[old.FIN]

aye and pallys are kinda shit..

lmao, luckily arms is more =)

 

[[PS]Venom]

Originally posted by Northstarr
pallys also get 2 instas (ip and faith heal) but pallys also have no range so there probly used b4 they get close enuf to the enemy to hit em :/

Aye, but it's not easy for a paladin to get Faith Heal (14 pts) AND Ignore Pain (I think another 20 or so points, can't remember offhand)

Heros get one of their instas as part of the class.

Paladins lack in a lot of areas, but the upcoming extra spells looks quite interesting. It's a damn cert my class is about the only one that can't suffer a nerf

 

[Northstarr]

my lvl 41 pally has faith heal (rr2 lvl 4), doubt im gonna go for ip aswell tho too many points imo. didnt knoww heros get a class insta that kinda sux for a tank (meaning it sux for me not getting it, it probly owns if u a hero )