Is Alb gimped and Hib overpowered?(some facts)

[Mavl]

Sadly, I think that's true now.

Here's some food for thought:

http://www.camelot-seer.com/realms/rp50.php?x=8
http://www.camelot-seer.com/realms/rp.php?x=8

http://www.camelot-seer.com/races/rp50.php?x=8
http://www.camelot-seer.com/races/rp.php?x=8

That's all. Dunno, flame away if you want, think of something original.

 

[AbPoon]

I think its just because all Albs are nobs not being gimped.


Well you asked for flames :/

 

[old.Galieran]

well....
I think it is cos albion classes are very specialised, so the albs are more dependant on getting the "right" classes in they group.
And therefore it also takes more co-ordination to make things work.
I could be wrong tho.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Not even gonna dignify this thread with anything other than my signature...think that about covers it.

 

[old.anubis]

the purpose of the game - teamplay, as mythic stated
they nerf everyone and his mother to force ppl to play in groups
in current state hibernian classes are the most group friendly. they cannot solo, and they couldnt do it a year ago either. so they HAD to play in groups for one year. now we see the result

 

[Tranquil-]

What result? Coordination of 1500 range 2.5s cast time 9sec _baseline_ stun on casters?

 

[Alrindel]

It is certainly arguable that Mythic may have gone too far when they gave all eleven Hibernian classes the baseline ability to shoot laser beams out their eyes at level 10.

 

[old.Wildfire]

[flame]

baseline stun sucks
group purge sucks
heros with moose and ignore pain suck
1.53 insta AE mezz sucks

only cabby line worth using in rvr is matter, and even then, the use of AE DoTs and nearsighting is limited
albs have crap cc
wizards are uber-gimped (no pbt, speed, pet, stun/mezz)
sorcs are gimped simply because there aren't enough of them
theurgs are (allegedly) gimped for RvR, dunno cos ive never tried one
being an avalonian means insta-death in RvR because everyone KNOWS you're a caster (unless you're the occasional avalonian cleric/palading which is v-rare

in any 8-man group hibs have up to 8/11 of their realm's total abilities, mids have 3/4 of theirs, and albs only have 2/3. Gimped by numbers, what were mythic thinking?

[/flame]

plz note all the above is just a list of things i like/dislike about the balance of the game and isn't really a thought-out or serious post - im sure counter-arguments can be made for all my points. <shrugs>

 

[pitspawn]

Our realm is underpowered (gimped is a harsh word to use) but we will definately be seeing Hib owning even more so after 1.52

It annoys me when people say that all of alb must be just crap players and all hib must be 1337 because they are winning. When you look at things as a whole you see that alb are underpowered.

Unfortunately, albion have been created this way because we have the numbers. So mythic make our chars worse so we need more numbers to win, thus creating some form of equillibrium. Although they already made albion less useful in groups. Wildfire mentioned earlier as we have the most character types. Its a bad thing because other realm equivilants have the abilities of two of our classes in one.

What about at times when not so many people are online? Or when your having a 1v1? Most of the time the other realm equivilant will win.

TBH its not even really worth bringing this thread up because it doesnt matter how much we moan we wont be heard. Its the US players that are getting listened to.

 

[Chole]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
[flame]


wizards are uber-gimped (no pbt, speed, pet, stun/mezz)

theurgs are (allegedly) gimped for RvR, dunno cos ive never tried one
being an avalonian means insta-death in RvR because everyone

Being a Theur (ok on Pryd not Excal) then no worries on Wiz's not haveing pets (theur type that is) because they pretty shite in RvR

So attack wise that leaves us with a couple of low powerd dd spells (and we have PBT, but thats no use when u find yourself outnumberd so often)
So Id say Theurs are pretty poor RvR classes (as for being Gimpd, i think thats just a word peeps are over useing atm)

 

[Qte Eth]

http://www.camelot-seer.com/realms/population50.php?x=8
Forgot to mention that?
When u always zerg u dont have to use some skills just kill all if u have 3x numbers
Tho albs often begin to have problems with 2x numbers against 1x of hibs or mids and if to say on 1x albs vs 1x hibs/mids -albs just suck
Hibs do have to work as team and albs also can do that tho they need to use some skills for that what is much more difficult than zerg .
And albs have 6 sec insta stun -dont say its not enough to kill most classes .
Its not hibs fault ur clerics smite and friars melee instead of healing ?
In amg fights i have never seen any of albs i stunned and began to dd ever get heals and dont say 9 sec is not enough to do heal and save ur realmates
Most albs are rp horny and dont think about their realmates standing near them -thats the problem not that hibs are overpowered.
And thats not unusual all u can is whine not try to better ur teamwork.
And take a look on FC -they do work good most of times showing its not albs are underpowered -just smth is wrong with ppl playing albs.

 

[Aussie-]

Minstrels spec 40 points to get 6 stun.
Theurgists have to spec in wind to get mez
Wizards have to spec in Earth to get mez
and i doubt if you have ever seen one of those 2.

 

[Quasimoto]

ok Aussie gimme a 6 sec instant stun instead of the 9sec castable and ask me if im happy
hell give bards stealth

and I beleve theurgs can spec in wind to get a stun...


FFS give rangers slam, give hunters back their friggen shields and make hunter spear 1h again..... give the other asassins 2.5 spec points... give the other realms 4 caster classes..... give the other realms the best fighter race (highlander) the best mage race (avalonian) the best rouge race IMO (briton) the race that can be EVERY class in the realm (briton)

Take away Alb's whine rights, along with the uBer bugged pyro wizz bolts that still hit for 1k dmg with full heat resist...

 

[Qte Eth]

Minstrels spec 40 points to get 6 stun.
Show me one without 40 points?xD
as mage u need to be 46 level to get 9sec stun -not to say most use 8 sec one
And if albs so suck as u guys say tell me why they have SO MANY PPL?cant they all understand alb is bad choice?

 

[Insurrextion]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
Minstrels spec 40 points to get 6 stun.
Show me one without 40 points?xD
as mage u need to be 46 level to get 9sec stun -not to say most use 8 sec one
And if albs so suck as u guys say tell me why they have SO MANY PPL?cant they all understand alb is bad choice?

minstrels have to be lvl 40 and spend 800+ spec points for a 6 second insta stun

ALL hib mages have to be lvl 26 and spend 0 spec points for a 6 second castable stun , and lvl 46 to get the 9 second one

the stun was supposed to be the mages' sort of defence against tanks etc but its sort of overpowered ... hib casters can solo kill just about any class in the game with that one spell which makes it quite ridiculous ^^ all mythic need to do is replace the stun with a single target root which every other caster has for their 'defence' against someone beating on them

Originally posted by Quasimoto
and I beleve theurgs can spec in wind to get a stun...

theurgs dont get a stun in their air line .. they can spec to get an AE mez which is quite crappy and bugged - radius is 300 compared to 350 of most other AE mezzes, and the range of the spell is bugged afaik (set at 1250 not 1500 ... its a wonder how mythic can't just fix a simple bug )

 

[Qte Eth]

thats plain fun - does any 26 level mage can ever cast hes stun on 50 level?stop that, all talk must be about 50 vs 50 not when u get spell .And our mages have worst dd power because of that stun.
its useless before u are 46+ coz blue mage =dead mage
And shall i say what minstrel also gets for that 800 points?
dont make me feel all u can do is whine pls its too fun to hear that flame about poor minstrels who have to spec in instruments for stun

 

[K0nah]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't minstrel stun on a timer? Hib caster stun isn't. I wonder how many body parts the casters in other realms would sell for a free, unlimited, 9sec stun?

 

[TheDardre's]

Hmmmmm

Is Alb gimped and Hib overpowered?

Actually i had the impression it was the other way around.

BTW, Hib stun is on a timer, it takes time to cast and is interuptable, plus if you DONT spec in light it can be resisted 90%+ of the time

 

[Karam_gruul]

Hib attracts the sadder people. FACT. look at novamir for example. the reason sadder people are attracted to hib is because of the roleplaying factor, they like all the trees and flowers and stuff lol, dunno why. but anyway, the sadder the people the higher the rps. its a general equation used throughout daoc.

Sadness = RP squared

 

[Qte Eth]

well just some not so good replys i get
it is on 10 sec timer and our stun is 2.5 sec to cast and guess what casters do during that 9 sec stun lenghts?they dd stunned person so its same 10 sec timer if u can count O_O
or u think our mages just stun everyone so they unstun in 9 sec and eat them lol?

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
thats plain fun - does any 26 level mage can ever cast hes stun on 50 level?stop that, all talk must be about 50 vs 50 not when u get spell .And our mages have worst dd power because of that stun.
its useless before u are 46+ coz blue mage =dead mage
And shall i say what minstrel also gets for that 800 points?
dont make me feel all u can do is whine pls its too fun to hear that flame about poor minstrels who have to spec in instruments for stun

OK you want 50 v 50?? ALL hib casters get castable 9 sec stun and minstrels spec to get 6 sec insta sun (yes all minstrels will get this or they are gimped)...so that's three classes in hib against one in alb.

ALL hib casters get 8 sec stun at lvl 36! So all your blue con casters can stun me for 8 seconds. Granted I'll resist more often, but blues will get it to stick more often that not. Blue con casters in albion or midgard get nothing like this FOR FREE. You say yourself that 6 seconds is enough to kill a class - ergo so is 8.

Another thing...you say your mages have the worst DD capability? Check this:

Mentalist Illusion spec 45 - 209 DD
Enchanter Bedazzling spec 45 - 209 DD
Eldritch Shadow Control spec 45 - 209 DD
Wizard Fire spec 47 - 219 DD
Theurgist Vapormancy spec 45 - 209 DD
Sorcerer Disorientation spec 45 - 209 DD
Cabalist - no DD
Runemaster Darkness spec 47 - 219 DD
Spiritmaster Darkness BASELINE 43 - 155 DD

So only Wizzies and Runies have a SLIGHTLY better DD and they have to spend a lot more points to get that. Note your facts were incorrect - SMs worse than you for DDs. Well I guess that have a pet but then so do your enchanters. Nobody can really argue that SMs should get a baseline stun too.

Let's face it - alb casters really blow in comparison to hib casters. You say yourself "cant they all understand alb is bad choice?" - well you realise that alb casters are gimped - you said alb is a bad choice.

In the interests of realm balance why don't think give Theurgists, Sorcerers and poor old Spiritmasters your baseline stun.

Or perhaps you would trade your stun for a (slightly) better DD??

What I would like to see is resists affecting ALL stun duration. You have 50% resist against the stun spell time - u get stunned for 4.5 secs. Also, maybe even have it so when you're damaged twice or three times when stunned you are no longer stunned (like mezz breaking). Note that hibs and albs would benefit too as healers would be nerfed here.

At the moment the stun spells are all one press win buttons. You could train an ape to win with that ability.

I challenge any hib caster going on PvP to roll a mid or alb caster if they disagree with me.

 

[old.Nol]

It annoys me when people say that all of alb must be just crap players and all hib must be 1337 because they are winning. When you look at things as a whole you see that alb are underpowered.

/relic

whinge

 

[censi]

the sadder the people the higher the rps

you would have topped the RP rankings months ago if this was the case......

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by censi


you would have topped the RP rankings months ago if this was the case......

how am i sad?

 

[old.LandShark]

anyone going to give him the full list?

 

[Qte Eth]

2eben dont want to complain about stun -take a look on ur healer with hes zillions of instas and aoe stun 11 sec -and stop saying anything omfg aoe stun-dont think anything is needed to be added here.
Mentalist Illusion spec 45 - 209 DD
Enchanter Bedazzling spec 45 - 209 DD
Eldritch Shadow Control spec 45 - 209 DD
Wizard Fire spec 47 - 219 DD
Theurgist Vapormancy spec 45 - 209 DD
Sorcerer Disorientation spec 45 - 209 DD
Cabalist - no DD
Runemaster Darkness spec 47 - 219 DD
Spiritmaster Darkness BASELINE 43 - 155 DD

did u mention void line ?with 171 dd!!and we have shitloads of void elds if u wonder.
Eldritch Shadow Control spec 45 - 209 DD
we have 4 elds level 50 who are specced light and maybe less who are mana and other are void .
How many ments we have -take a look and note 45 light is max half of them
Enchanters are mostly gimped in hibernia atm we have like 5 48 mana enches and not many light ones others have some enchantment wich gimps em
did u metion 331 SPIRIT pbaoe u get and 325 we have to prove we have less damage spells than u?And dont say u dont have pbaoe atm -we have no pbaoers at all compared to what u will see after respec.
47 Extinguish Lifeforce 183 spirit with 90% hp drain?
We have only cold/heat spells -most famous resists while others get some rare spirit body and energy resists?
well anyway mids have highly more overpowered stun than we and listen to mids whine is just fun.
About duration it will be affected in next patch so wait patiently and ull eat our casters.
and is it me or ur 40 level casters can root for 1 minute any tank they dont like?

 

[Noche]

Albs own hibs, hibs whining.

Hibs own albs, albs whining.

NP owning absolutly all last week and nobody whining.

ROFLMAO

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
2eben dont want to complain about stun -take a look on ur healer with hes zillions of instas and aoe stun 11 sec -and stop saying anything omfg aoe stun-dont think anything is needed to be added here.

did u mention void line ?with 171 dd!!and we have shitloads of void elds if u wonder.
Eldritch Shadow Control spec 45 - 209 DD
we have 4 elds level 50 who are specced light and maybe less who are mana and other are void .
How many ments we have -take a look and note 45 light is max half of them
Enchanters are mostly gimped in hibernia atm we have like 5 48 mana enches and not many light ones others have some enchantment wich gimps em
did u metion 331 SPIRIT pbaoe u get and 325 we have to prove we have less damage spells than u?And dont say u dont have pbaoe atm -we have no pbaoers at all compared to what u will see after respec.
47 Extinguish Lifeforce 183 spirit with 90% hp drain?
We have only cold/heat spells -most famous resists while others get some rare spirit body and energy resists?
well anyway mids have highly more overpowered stun than we and listen to mids whine is just fun.
About duration it will be affected in next patch so wait patiently and ull eat our casters.
and is it me or ur 40 level casters can root for 1 minute any tank they dont like?

Well the original post was the overwhelming statistical evidence that hibernia is overpowered compares to other realms so let's not get too off topic.

As for healers they dont have a nuke to use on ppl they stun. Healers stun then mezz - they don't kill tanks in 4/5 DDs without the tank having a chance. Healers are a different thing altogether, so don't try to compare. Besides, if you take the time to read my post carefully, you will see that I advocate an across the board nerf of stun. That affects our healers too and rightly so. Mezz is fine now I think as at least you have a chance, but stun is unbeatable if used properly.

I welcome the changes to stun duration, just as I'm sure you'll welcome the resisting and damage reduction to my DOT. So we both have a bitter pill to swallow.

As for the way your casters spec I can't really comment not being a hib expert. I will say this though...if hib casters choose a spec it's fora reason. Void elds are for bolts (like RC runies); if they want bolts and don't want to spec light or mana that's their choice...tell them to respec if you think they can spec better. Besides, they still have the stun. To compare, runemasters have to spec runecarving for bolts meaning they gimp their DDs (darkness spec). So we have the same shit too. It's the same for all caster classes...if you want one spell you have to compromise another line. The difference is that hib casters get the "I win" spell - QC stun. That's unfair.

It's not right at this stage to bring up new SM spells as we don't know what impact this will have on RvR. We don't even have those spells yet. What I do know is that SMs will have to respec to get best PBAOE as most started their chars before they heard that this spell was in the pipeline. So you will not see SMs with the top PBAOE most likely, whereas there are plenty of PBAOE chanters with the top PBAOE. To get the best PBAOE, SMs need to spec 49 in Suppression, so they have gimped DDs. This is similar to chanters speccing 48 in Empowering to get a 325 DD (note measly 6 points difference to best SM PBAOE...for a whole 49 spec points!). Like the PBAOE SM, PBAOE chanters have gimped DDs, but chanters get the stun and SMs don't. If SMs become PBAOErs, they DO NOT get Extinguish Lifeforce, so it's unreasonable to bring that into the argument.

To conclude: the original post stated strong evidence to say hibernia leads by some margin. I have presented lots of evidence to suggest that WITHOUT stuns, the realm casters are very similar. What I welcome is the stun nerf, as I agree it would upset many hib casters to lose their killer spell, but I'd like to see some loving to other realm casters too, particularly SMs, Cabalists and Wizards. It's only fair to level the playing field.

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
thats plain fun - does any 26 level mage can ever cast hes stun on 50 level?stop that, all talk must be about 50 vs 50 not when u get spell .And our mages have worst dd power because of that stun.

U want to say u don't have any lvl 50 casters?
What's with this "worst dd" thing if you get your stun in the same line as your dd, just you don't have to spend any points to get it?

Btw. If we calculate number of hib casters vs number of minstrels, what will we get. Oh.. and btw don't forget that min stun is not 1500 range.

Originally posted by Quasimoto

and I beleve theurgs can spec in wind to get a stun...

lol.
We get a dd and a gimped mez. mez is 300 radius, 1250 range. To compare, light eld has 350 radius 1500 range.

Oh.. and we also have crappy pets that leave us without power and never get to their targets.

Originally posted by Quasimoto

give the other realms 4 caster classes.....

Fine with me. give alb 1, maybe 2 caster classes, so they have all the needed utilities at their disposal and under command of a single individual, and give other realms 4, so half of them will always be missing.

Originally posted by Quasimoto


... along with the uBer bugged pyro wizz bolts that still hit for 1k dmg with full heat resist...

k, and what else does he have? ever thought of that?

btw, I'm now whining, I'm just stating some facts.
I fully understand that there will not be anything done about it.
Just makes me really sad that the realm with most ppl(thx for the source, Qte) has the least rp. It's just strange.

Also sad that another thread turned into flames again.

 

[Qte Eth]

just that qc stun win key will make u interupted for 3 -6 seconds wich makes stun length to 6-3 seconds and its a real pain-not to mention it will be shortened after patch.
And noone ever says this but hibs casters -belive qc stun wont make u kill tank on u ,u can only kill if u can do usual stun-dd
As u say i dont read - i do read and dont tell me its so hard to work with healers stun-its just requires some skill ^^.
Its like dont use aoe dd after aoe mes-not that difficult ?- use dd after healer stuns and if u cant do this its not hibs or albs problem
but mids rms
and in that 11 sec ANY tank can EAT mage dont matter how n00bish he is just as in exping press fight key and see mage die
and cast 3 dd also is poss in that time-it takes 6 seconds to cast em so ur mages have 5 secs to watch around and understand what they have to do.
PBAOE -we dont have lots pbaoe i tell u we have like 5 48 mana pbaoers atm and only gobar&nuclear sometimes play of that 5 so dont say u see zounds of uber pbaoers around
2Mavl i see u whine everywhere -why dont forget ur gimped theurg as u always say and make overpowered hib caster?wont take that long time and well be free of ur whine on how poor u albs are
about poor sms -they will get uber pbaoe and with aoe stun it is way too uber combo and 80 sec mes in same line ,if u say they suck atm ask Krom hell say u they work fine
About bolts- our bolts are cold and urs are energy and that is a BIG difference i feel ur bolts will become cold too and then u can say bye bye to bolts tho atm they can often 1-2 shot our casters