IPCCs New report is out

[rynnor]

It still thinks manmade global warming is a major threat despite the 15 year pause that no climate model ever predicted.

No real agreement over why the 'pause' (if such it is) is happening.

Still all its long term predictions are still entirely true despite naughty reality diverging and you are all doomed!

 

[Chilly]

That 95% figure is very suspicious, too. You can actually measure the confidence and error in these models (if done properly), and it's pretty fucking unlikely to turn out to be a nice press friendly round number like 95.0%. 95.2% I'd have been prepared to believe, but I absolutely never believe round numbers like that. Beware of round numbers!!

 

[rynnor]

That 95% figure is very suspicious, too. You can actually measure the confidence and error in these models (if done properly), and it's pretty fucking unlikely to turn out to be a nice press friendly round number like 95.0%. 95.2% I'd have been prepared to believe, but I absolutely never believe round numbers like that. Beware of round numbers!!

The only real proof of a theory is that it can make predictions that come true - in this case it predicted a constant increase in temperature that didn't materialise - after 15 years the excuses are wearing rather thin.

For the record I am sure that humans do impact the global temperature but I disagree over the amount of its effect - I tend to figure it as so small that the basic noise of natural cycles will completely swamp it.

 

[Scouse]

All the thousands of scientists doing the work are definitely wrong.

I'm 95% sure!

 

[Raven]

All the thousands of "scientists" out for a quick quid in government money in any old research vaguely related to climate change, that want that teat to produce funding milk for as long as possible are definitely wrong

fixed.

Quackery for the 21st century.

 

[Embattle]

I've always said that no matter whether true or false, which can never be totally proven, it would be wise to avoid the continued pollution of our world for many other factors such as health etc.

 

[Gwadien]

Why would we want to actually do something about global warming when we can just get scientists to try to make us less of a contributor to it?!

 

[Bodhi]

All the thousands of scientists doing the work are definitely wrong.

I'm 95% sure!

What about the 100+ politicians rewriting the report before it was released? I assume they're correct too?

 

[rynnor]

What about the 100+ politicians rewriting the report before it was released? I assume they're correct too?

Of course they are - the IPCC and St Gore have invoked papal infallibility for everything to do with the IPCC

 

[rynnor]

I've always said that no matter whether true or false, which can never be totally proven, it would be wise to avoid the continued pollution of our world for many other factors such as health etc.

The problem is that by identifying one cause - CO2 - and solely concentrating on that we have actually done great harm to the planet - demand for carbon neutral biofuels are destroying the rainforests of indonesia and other countries around the world.

 

[Embattle]

There isn't one cause and I don't agree with bio's In general, the changes and thus solutions require vast changes.

 

[DaGaffer]

The solution is very obvious; 5 billion of you have to go. Get back to me with your list. I can wait.

 

[Job]

Co2 cant warm the planet..any contribution it has to gw has long gone because its effect reached saturation point years ago..the debate is ether miniscule increases caused by co2 will trgger amplifying effects and these are the factors that the climate models churn over..if it was just co2 then it would be piss easy to predict..and there lays the problem..the astronomical level of variables makes it guesstimation and a tiny change in any part cause massive discrepencies in the output...they quite simply have not predicted a single thing with any accuracy and are currently running worse than pot luck.

 

[Raven]

Venus.

CO2 can and does cause warming, the only thing is that very little of the CO2 is produced by humans.

 

[Scouse]

fixed.

Quackery for the 21st century.

If the scientific method is followed correctly then the results are falsifiable.

To have your research considered then method has to be published, data has to be published. This is the exact opposite of quackery.

Of course, oil companies are welcome to fund scientific research with the express desire into showing how the models are flawed, how the climate data is incorrect and how this is all a massive sham - as long as they publish the method, and the raw data.

It seems they're not doing this, even though it's obviously in their economic interests - if we can go on burning coal, oil and gas at ever increasing rates then there's money in it for them - and it's guilt-free if climate change is incorrect. Win-win, eh?


So, why isn't this happening?

 

[Job]

Ok name 1 prediction they have got right...Ill let you ignore all the new iceage predictions from the 70s...co2 is only 3% of greenhouse gases and it isnt even an actual greenhouse effect..that would require the planet to be covered in glass..but Im not nit picking..we know what they mean..co2 has reached saturation point and doubling it again would make practically no difference to its 3% effect..it cant absorb much more than it is doing allready...

 

[Raven]

If the scientific method is followed correctly then the results are falsifiable.

To have your research considered then method has to be published, data has to be published. This is the exact opposite of quackery.

Of course, oil companies are welcome to fund scientific research with the express desire into showing how the models are flawed, how the climate data is incorrect and how this is all a massive sham - as long as they publish the method, and the raw data.

It seems they're not doing this, even though it's obviously in their economic interests - if we can go on burning coal, oil and gas at ever increasing rates then there's money in it for them - and it's guilt-free if climate change is incorrect. Win-win, eh?


So, why isn't this happening?

They keep changing their minds saying one thing is absolutely true then something else. They refuse to accept that they just don't know. It is almost a religion.

Any studies to counter their claims get ridiculed, that's if they even get the funding.

They are setting out to prove that mankind is causing it, any data to suggest otherwise is ignored or covered up. It is not proper science.

Edit, then there is all the bollocks of recycling. It produces more CO2 to recycle most stuff than it does to produce it in the first place. Then rubbish gets shipped half way around the world to be stuck in different land fill. Wind turbines that produce fairly small amounts of electricity being made in China etc. The amount of resources and energy used to make car batteries so that Johnny consumer can feel good about his Prius.

The whole thing is a load of crap.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The solution is very obvious; 5 billion of you have to go. Get back to me with your list. I can wait.

List;

- You
- Me
- 1.999.999.998 women.

 

[Scouse]

Any studies to counter their claims get ridiculed, that's if they even get the funding.

They are setting out to prove that mankind is causing it, any data to suggest otherwise is ignored or covered up. It is not proper science.

If it's proper research, published in a proper journal, with proper method and proper data then it has to be included. Period.

As for funding - there are a lot of people with a very strong vested interest in shooting climate change down - big powerful companies and individuals.

The easiest way for these people to trash global warming is for them to use their very real financial muscle to shoot down dodgy science with real science - if the science is dodgy.

Why are these companies not using this simple, cheap (very cheap - it costs next to nothing to run a PhD student for 12 months doing whatever science you direct him to do) method to proving this global warming guff is a crock of shit, and thereby protecting their very real profits?


You can't maintain a conspiracy about global warming - because any real science can easily be falsified.

Edit, then there is all the bollocks of recycling. It produces more CO2 to recycle most stuff than it does to produce it in the first place. Then rubbish gets shipped half way around the world to be stuck in different land fill. Wind turbines that produce fairly small amounts of electricty being made in China etc.

I agree 100% with this though. It's a massive pile of shit. Yet we have supermarkets with open-front fridges? Energy madness!

 

[Raven]

If it's proper research, published in a proper journal, with proper method and proper data then it has to be included. Period.

As for funding - there are a lot of people with a very strong vested interest in shooting climate change down - big powerful companies and individuals.

The easiest way for these people to trash global warming is for them to use their very real financial muscle to shoot down dodgy science with real science - if the science is dodgy.

Why are these companies not using this simple, cheap (very cheap - it costs next to nothing to run a PhD student for 12 months doing whatever science you direct him to do) method to proving this global warming guff is a crock of shit, and thereby protecting their very real profits?


You can't maintain a conspiracy about global warming - because any real science can easily be falsified.





I agree 100% with this though. It's a massive pile of shit. Yet we have supermarkets with open-front fridges? Energy madness!

I think the reason they don't is that they just don't need to. Regardless of what the public think they still want all their shit transferred all over the place and don't want to have to put a jumper on in winter. The time we stop using fossil fuels is the time it runs out, not because it causes pollution. Even if we did have the stomach to not rely on fossil fuels it would make no difference because politicians are in the pockets of these companies and while they may talk the talk they wont ever shit on their backers.

The data is skewed in favour of man made climate change and even then they are only looking at a tiny period in time. The planet goes through periods of climate change, some times very suddenly...it always has and always will. I would be more concerned if it stayed the same tbh.

The only way we could move away from fossil fuels is to go nuclear but people seem to be wetting their pants over that due to it going a bit squiffy when built on fault lines. As for vehicles they would have to be charged via resonance (which is being experimented with) because the batteries are crap, use up a fuckton of hard to get at resources and are worse for the planet than driving around in a 20 year old banger.

 

[Wij]

Global warming is real. The science isn't wrong. The warming is within the bounds previously predicted, even though it's on the lower bounds of most predictions.

Most of the climate porn bollocks scare story shit was produced by taking the absolute upper limits predicted and trying to pretend that that was what was DEFINATELY happining. Politics init.

But warming is still continuing and some of it is man-made. It's proven.

However, renewables aren't the solution. They are fucking shit.

(disclaimer - some renewables are more shit than others)

 

[TdC]

List;

- You
- Me
- 1.999.999.998 women.

they'll all synchronize. your lives will be hell. us dead guys will be laughing. you'll hear our dark, hollow chuckles as you walk the earth being miserable as fuck :-D

 

[Job]

The oil companies have nothing to worry about..noone is going to be cutting anything back anytime soon...the last climate report said 90% certain..I dont think 5% is going to get anyone to destroy their economies.

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24332239

Something like this makes all this shit a complete waste of everyones time.

 

[BloodOmen]

/shrug

 

[Exioce]

It amazes me how the scientific community has this consensus, but FH and the general public still don't believe them. More than that, believe there is a worldwide conspiracy.

 

[Exioce]

/shrug

At a glance pics like the above make it seem obvious?

Here's the context. Circled in red is your recovery.

You genuinely have to be an idiot to think that Arctic sea ice is recovering

 

[dysfunction]

I don't deny that the climate is changing and it is getting warmer.

I don't necessarily believe it is caused by people though....

We probably contribute but I think the earth goes through cycles of climate change heating and cooling over thousands of years all the time.

 

[Scouse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24332239

Something like this makes all this shit a complete waste of everyones time.

How so?

Unless you've a way of exploding volcanoes and cooling the climate. But geoengineering ain't the safest of solutions, eh?

/shrug

Interesting. Source?

Edit: Don't bother after Exioce's post

 

[Raven]

How so?

Unless you've a way of exploding volcanoes and cooling the climate. But geoengineering ain't the safest of solutions, eh?




Interesting. Source?

Edit: Don't bother after Exioce's post

No, I mean all this fucking about with something we have very little control is a waste of time when something goes bang every few hundred years and fucks everything up.