Inviting members to new guild

[Sethantac]

Hi all! Before reading this post, mind you that my new guild (Fatal Legacy) is a new RvR-guild, who ofcourse cant invite tons of members due to RvR only really starts at 40+ (ofc 50 is best )

Yesterday I spent about 1+hour offering invites to our guild to tons of people (also people guilded). Now I didn't have any problems with all of them, they all just said "No thanks, I'm happy in my current guild" or "No thanks, thx for offering tho ", and many opther friendly replies.

Now one of the guildmasters of Maelstorm started calling me many nice names (looks at screenshots) including that I'm a little rodent for doing that (that= "stealing his members").

Now I would to know what other guilds think about us offering people to join a RvR-guild. There are alot of PvE guilds out there that dont spent time organizing RvR-events, so sometimes members want to try something else (therefor a guild that is based on RvR mainly).

We thought, that offering an invite to guilded members was just an oportunity to give them a chance at joining a RvRguild. We are not trying to STEAL members, just giving an opportunity that other guilds might don't. Isn't it up to the members accepting our offer? And if they do, don't the guildmaster of the other guilds have to look at themself for why the members are joining us instead of staying. If their guild isnt doing enough RvR-events (main reason for leaving them and joining RvR-guild btw), so they have to do something about it, or accept that members want to leave.

What do you other guilds think about it? I wont ask any member of Maelstorm to join us, because one of their guildmasters only starts namecalling. (n/o to other Maelstormers that are really cool and not this childish.

Thanks for reading this long post, and even more thanks if you want to reply

Juling

 

[old.Hardbein]

afaik Maelstom IS a "semi-RvR" guild. Its deffo not a PvE guild tho

So yes...thats an aggressive and desperate way of getting members imo.

On a sidenote: I must admit I "admire" ur recruitment skills/policy. The last 4 days I have been contacted by numerous FL members asking if I wanted to join. I said like above "no thanx", but still it seems like the whole guild Is recruiting every non-guilded lvl50 there is.....and im not kidding when I say: FL have asked me to join ~10 times a day from different ppl. Gimme a break fgs!

Shouldnt recruiting be done by officers or is this guild based on the "invite every one u see out there!!!!11" - policy. Do we see a new "Defenders of jon" emerging ? Jon for president imo \o/

Anyway...wish u guys the best of luck with Fatal Legacy!

 

[Nonnier]

stealing members from other guilds is wrong in my book

 

[insomnia]

IMO thats just fooking wankerstyle. I mean they got a guild and if they want to disband from that to go to you "ubarguild" then let them do so. I think they guy in Maelstrom should report you or sum because this is bad style.

Bust your caps IMO

 

[Mandorr]

the GM in quesion was offended by the fact that the "friendly" offer to our members included telling them that Maelstrom sucked and was a shitty guild and imo quite rightly sent a bit of abuse to the person in question.


btw we are a small guild with maybe 10 really active members and we get near to 2mil rp a month correct me if I am wrong but I think that qualifies as a RvR based guild that does a bit of PvE as well.

 

[old.azorius]

I'd be quite pissed off if you attempted to poach any of our players, there's a right way and a wrong way of doing things, yours, imo, is the wrong way.

Your also not doing your guild any favours vis a vis getting into an alliance by taking this attitude to recruitment.

Defenders of Jon ? Probably.

 

[SilverHood]

yeah, poaching sucks

can get you a bad reputation

 

[old.Hardbein]

Originally posted by SilverHood
can get you a bad reputation

Think they r doing pretty well already

 

[Gaisil]

Originally posted by Mandorr
the GM in quesion was offended by the fact that the "friendly" offer to our members included telling them that Maelstrom sucked and was a shitty guild and imo quite rightly sent a bit of abuse to the person in question.

This is quiete absurd , no-one from our guild would ever say such things ...

 

[old.willowywicca]

well as a GM myself my feeling is:

go ahead and ask my members if they want to join your guild. I feel my guild is a nice place, my members are happy, my guild is there to provide a place for friendly chats, help and other such things. If a member thinks they'd be better off joining your guild then I think they should try it. It's not about having the most numbers of members in your guild, its about having them the happiest and doing what's best for them, if they feel that that would be in another guild you should support them in their decision.

 

[snoz]

Im the GM in question.

I reacted so badly as I was thinking it was my friend Juling trying to poach my members, and I found that very underhanded to say the least.

I've now found out its another case of Ebay, and the Juling in question is not the Juling I knew.

I still think it sucks mass message people of other guilds but I'd not have reacted so badly knowing what I know now.

Nothing more to say really.

 

[Hargh]

Do you mean RvR or RP farm guild? Hopefully the former and we will see lots of keep and relic raids organised by yourselves.

Good luck!

 

[mavericky]

Pretty poor form actively trying to take members from other guilds. Just remember though, what goes around comes around. I am sure that when the next 'RvR' guild comes along you may well have the same problem, however in your case, you deserve it.

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Saying in Forums and ingame that you have formed and are looking for members for an RvR guild is fine

Asking members of guilds that do not approach you first is not the done thing...

trying to convince people of other guilds that did not approach you first is called poaching

and we all know poachers get shot

 

[Gaisil]

I'll say it once and only once we've never poached for members , some people have offered others to join but NEVER ever poached , just so you guys know this

and mavericky , think before you say some things, have you ever met/played with one of us ?

 

[SilverHood]

I'll say it once and only once we've never poached for members

Yesterday I spent about 1+hour offering invites to our guild to tons of people (also people guilded).

 

[Gaisil]

poaching is trying to convince em , offering is something else

 

[Groborthir]

I think guildmasters getting pissed at other guildmasters for offering invites to anyone in their guild reminds me a bit of the druglord policy.

Damn, who friggin' cares!? The ones who leave their old guild because someone else offers them a better guild suiting their needs, lay it on the member! Or better yet, lay it on the guild who can't provide something to their members and causes them to join a guild that can!

I heard the exact same tantrum and rant when Blejs started BO, and it's just as stupid now as it was then. If you run a store without beer, do you go fucking berserk because a store nearby opens, has beer and all the drunks go over there?

Blame the members who leave. It's not like Juling is friggin' bribing or threatening anybody.

 

[IronlungDTP]

Blame lays with both the requester and the target.
To be honest I think it's bad form asking guilded people to change guilds (just my view). They may leave anyway which is their right - we all play for fun after all.
I think it's best for people to come to their own decision about leaving rather than being persuaded. Any invite will be persuasive as the recipient will ask why they should join, or the requester will say some points in the offer.
At the end of the day someone will leave eventually anyway - I just disagree with the invite anyone regardless of who they are and what guild they are in approach.

 

[Sethantac]

Originally posted by old.Hardbein
Think they r doing pretty well already

Lol, why should we have a bad reputation? We never poached members... And I would be glad if you don't start calling us a lame guild in any way, because we are going to be a RvR guild -> keeptakes (future relicraids?), etc. These things are only positive for our realm, so why not try to help us out a little bit and don't start any form of rumours that we are lame. All are members are great guys that would never say such horrible things about a guild (exept maybe 1, but that will be sorted within the day (a first kick coming up? ).

Let me first say that I never EVER said anything to other people about that their guild sucks. I use a standard pm that goes like this:

Hi! Would you like to join a reshly made RvRbased guild? We also organize exp hunts and other events if the members want it.

This is what I use to ask people. I never intend to steal other members of other guilds, I just want to show them that we are out there (some RvRguilds don't recruit...) and then they can think about it. I would never say that their guild sucks and that we are "ubar" or anything.

And about inviting some people more then once... 99% of the players are alrdy in a guild, so ofcourse it is hard for us to get new members. We asked our members to ask all 40+non guilded people if they would like to join us, so ofcourse you can be asked again!

If guilded people wish to join us it is THEIR choice, we just offer it...

And about joining an alliance: Yes, we would want to join an alliance and we hope that there is one out there that wants to give a newly made guild a chance, we wont dissappoint you.

I will talk to my members about some things that are said here and if someone gets invited twice in our guild, please just say no again without to much fuzz. Some of us cant know youve been asked again .

Juling

 

[Gaisil]

Originally posted by Sethantac

Hi! Would you like to join a reshly made RvRbased guild? We also organize exp hunts and other events if the members want it.

This is what I use to ask people.
And about joining an alliance: Yes, we would want to join an alliance and we hope that there is one out there that wants to give a newly made guild a chance, we wont dissappoint you.

He's just like Claire Otums in Ally Mcbeal somethimes you see

 

[old.Hardbein]

Originally posted by old.Hardbein
Anyway...wish u guys the best of luck with Fatal Legacy!

^^ quoting myself there.

Did I call u lame? no

I just addressed the "way of recruiting" FL is using, based on my OWN experience with u guys. I also asked one of ur members to tell ur guild I wasnt interested, coz I was getting a lot of spam. When the spam still continues, it DOES bother me to some extent. I said it all in a mature and polite way btw.

Just my 2 cents

 

[dozigden]

Originally posted by Sethantac

Hi! Would you like to join a reshly made RvRbased guild? We also organize exp hunts and other events if the members want it.

Sorry but thats the sort of thing that would completely turn me off you as a guild. Seems like the DAoC equivalent to double glazing salesmen...

EoOs old recruitment spamming like this was one of the first things that put me off them - likewise for BO now.

Look at it like this - by your own admition youre telling ALL your members to ask everyone - your not being very selective about the people you take in so how can you vouch for the fact that your members are being polite asking / not "poaching" as you call it? (though in my book what youre doing atm is attempted poaching)

A bad reputation is very easy to get, and near impossible to lose, the fact ANYONE objects to what your doing means your heading towards the bad rep. Sorry but thats how i see it.

 

[Sethantac]

Ok then. Ofcourse, this is my first guild, so would you guys that have a good active guild going help us? Just by giving us some helpfull information on how to make a guild going?

I apologize if anyone was offended by us and I hope we can have a fresh start .

I really want this guild to work and I am planning on putting alot of my time in it, so I don't want to risk being marked as a "bad guild" or anything.

 

[dozigden]

I'm not really entirely sure how I'd go about building a guild now to be honest. SC has been here from the start, and its a very different atmosphere - partly you have to work on word of mouth.

If youre patient and a good teacher dont be afraid to take inexperienced people in - everyone can learn.

People often leave guilds after some sort of arguement / falling out - that doesnt mean theyre always bad people though so keep an open mind, but its often worth chatting to the GMs of guilds people are coming from.

Learn who the GMs of guilds are, theyre not always the people you think they are. Chat to them and build good relations. Ive seen people hop from guild to guild within alliances - not cos the first guild is bad - just cos its not quite right for them.

I've often recommended other guilds to people applying to SC - were pretty closed about membership now. If you present a good face to midgard im sure this will happen to you.

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by Gaisil
I'll say it once and only once we've never poached for members , some people have offered others to join but NEVER ever poached , just so you guys know this

and mavericky , think before you say some things, have you ever met/played with one of us ?

I fail to see anything I said as offensive, to explain it a little more throughly, your guild is currently actively trying to recruit directly from other guilds, as you fail to see anything wrong with doing this then I am assuming you do not object when sooner or later other guilds try to do the same to you.

Also, having had some experience of it myself, I am aware of the great amount of work that can be involved with being a GM. You seem to be unaware that you are quite possibly undermining much of the work that many people have put into the game just so that you can gain members. I only hope that you put the effort in to ensure that the guild you are forming is an enjoyable experience for its members, otherwise you have not only cheated them, but also the guilds that you pushed to the side on forming this new guild.

Time will tell, and I hope that you fulfill the promises that you have made to your members

 

[kalgarn]

Originally posted by dozigden
EoOs old recruitment spamming like this was one of the first things that put me off them

you just can't drop it don't you?this is ancient history but still you need to bring it up every chance you get

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by kalgarn
you just can't drop it don't you?this is ancient history but still you need to bring it up every chance you get

You expected more from him? Heh. :>

As for the original poster... If you can't understand why someone would take offense to your somewhat lame recruitment policy there's no hope for you. :>

 

[-ElemenT-]

You can say what you want but Eye of Odin was the best guild I've been in and I've been in a few now..

 

[snoz]

The Real Eoo with the Real grizlas as GM with me blej Destruction wagn maaster etc etc there was the win imho

Never had or will have a better guild amosphere then that ... shame we went a little OTT on recruiting but hey 90% of the guild were great people.