Interesting view on class balance

Filip

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i'm 1 of the guys who whine that normally there is 9-15 albs on top 100 rps earners..

thing is how should we consider the fact that albion got most ppl on most of the servers ?

this comes up of cause a lot on VN boards .. and normally they like BW whine and flame...

but this guy made something new .....

try to read it though... at least it is a new way to try to put the pop into the calculations...

Reprinted from Kill's duplicate post on DAoC Fan's board.:

http://vnboards.ign.com/Fans_Round_Table/b5176/62953991/p3/?56

EDIT: [loads of silly stuff i thought was clever at the time :)] nm this...
 

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Thanes only got -11 ? I knew those complaining bastards had been lying to me all those years. Delete savages and Midgard has no overpowered classes !!! Hurrah
 

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verry intressting... good constructive post ;) keep em comming :fluffle:
 

Filip

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this dont have to be the truth at all ....

my gut's tell me that Hunters/minsers/healers/shamans to mention a few is put way to low....

allso i would take an armsman anytime over a friar (and a Det tank cant be NOWHERE as gimped as a thane :twak: .....

on the other hand i think sorc/champ is to high....

but thats just me :p
 

M® Zîllâ

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37 Armsman -11
Well that sux but not a surprise i think u just have to look at how the armsman poulation has decreased on our server to relise they r a dieing & somewhat lacking class and even more so on euro servers when pole changes come in
 

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it isn't surprising that the realms most popular tanks are top of that list.
Though the order in which they are in does show somethign at least :)
 

Iskander

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Very interesting post, I think it is a reasonable good way to measure the performance of a class in RvR.
 

Gordonax

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Filip said:
this dont have to be the truth at all ....

my gut's tell me that Hunters/minsers/healers/shamans to mention a few is put way to low....
Well yeah, but this seems to make more sense than any on individual's "gut feeling" ;)

Good post, btw - interesting.
 

Lizz

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Nice post aye, bah after sava nerf mids have none op class ;p
 

nol

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Lizz said:
Nice post aye, bah after sava nerf mids have none op class ;p
that's not a savage nerf, it's a fucking tickle.
 

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Very interesting, the order of that list seems almost exact to order of balance with a few exceptions ofc. It is however only looking at the class as a single. Often it is not just a class that is overpowered but a team of two or more classes put together with a set of skills. Fixing each class may not be the way to balance the game. There are classes for example that rock at duels or small skirmishes but suck at fg vs fg or larger scale fights. There are also classes that work the opposite, crap at duels/small fights rocking at fg vs fg.
 

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Although I find this survey quite accurate, there's an anomaly:

Would Savages be less "Powerful" if there where more of them?
Say there would be over ~3500 lvl 50 Savages gaining Rp, then they
would only climb +3 on the powerladder.
They would have massive amount of rp last week saying they are way to
overpowerd, but the power survey would be false, saying they are "Balanced".
wouldn't it?

edit: I might have misunderstand your survey or/and missed out on something.
 

Lizz

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nol said:
that's not a savage nerf, it's a fucking tickle.
Im not sure if I understand what u mean.
U mean that the savage changes are not enough to call it a nerf or?
Anyway my point was that 1 class on the mid op list, and thats savage.
 

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Ged said:
Although I find this survey quite accurate, there's an anomaly:

Would Savages be less "Powerful" if there where more of them?
Say there would be over ~3500 lvl 50 Savages gaining Rp, then they
would only climb +3 on the powerladder.
They would have massive amount of rp last week saying they are way to
overpowerd, but the power survey would be false, saying they are "Balanced".
wouldn't it?

I think this is a good point. There is an anomaly in this way of looking at it when you are dealing with classes at the top or bottom of the list as there are only a set number of places they could move up or down.
For example, in this case the healer has gone from 4th on pop to top on rps gaining only a +3. Meaning from this system they aren't overpowered. But as they couldn't get a higher rating than 3 how can you be sure?
 

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Sorry, but that guy's logic, mathematics and reasoning are completely screwed up.

His method of analysing is no better/worse than looking at average RPS (basically it's almost exactly the same thing), and what he states in the preamble is just nonsense.
 

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Ged said:
Although I find this survey quite accurate, there's an anomaly:

Would Savages be less "Powerful" if there where more of them?
Say there would be over ~3500 lvl 50 Savages gaining Rp, then they
would only climb +3 on the powerladder.
They would have massive amount of rp last week saying they are way to
overpowerd, but the power survey would be false, saying they are "Balanced".
wouldn't it?

edit: I might have misunderstand your survey or/and missed out on something.
agree!!
coz population have a big impact on the final result...
like there r alo of active palas gaining rps every week but gain -7 and i would say palas r 1 of the few balanced classes, they dont got the ftpwn skills and on the other side it aint a completly gimped class like friars in RvR atm.

and i think thane get -11 coz mid simply just dont want em!! yes ofc they lack of det but many other classes do that too!!
 

Filip

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I think this is a good point. There is an anomaly in this way of looking at it when you are dealing with classes at the top or bottom of the list as there are only a set number of places they could move up or down.
yes .... this is 100% rigth....... you cant use this for anything ....
the point with the healer prove why ...

didnt think of that when i postet...

but at least he tryed :)...

well i go back to whining about albs allways in the buttom of rps list :l)
 

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"If 8 infs were on top of the AMG (I know it's hard to imagine less than 8) and a solo SB pops and kills one he would get aroun 1000 rps. The 7 infs jump the solo SB and kill him. The Infs would get around 250 rps each."

the dude knows something ! :)
 

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As said if you read futher in that topic, the classes that has high low population still got set as balanced becouse they are down in the bottom already.

But it cleary shows what classes that does make more rps than they should normaly compared to their numbers
 

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Average rps per class is really a very narrow way of measuring class/realm balance. Too many other factors that need to be considered.
 

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