Interesting read about the end of oil

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Pretty scarey stuff :/ One thing is for sure, the world is up for some big changes over the next 50 years. Still i bet it wont be us in the industrialized parts of the world that will suffer most from this - more likely that the Third World countries will get it even shittier. Maybe a return of colonialism and slavery would be plausible etc.
 

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theres already a very viable (and environmental friendly) subsitute for diesel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

made out of rapeseed, a very easy to cultivate form of wheat
you can already put 10% biodiesel in your normal diesel, without modifications to your engine, and with a small modification to your diesel engine you can run on 100% biodiesel.
too bad its not "allowed" here in belgium, the price of biodiesel is not taxed so its a major loss for the state :)

i dont see a real threat for the future, oil companies and car constructors will most likely start investing in research to create improved engines to combust the oil better and safer.

ofcourse they will wait till oil prices are skyhigh and then launch the biodiesel at a lower price (but still way too high ofc) so they can earn even more money then they are doing now... :)
damn capitalists i say! :p
 

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something needs to be done. the sooner the better.... we are using all the oil now.. and lets say in 100 years we will have run out atg or something, this is the time we will look back and say: 'dam, if we had some oil we could run hover cars or something' lol... But more seriously, i think the burning of fossil fuels have to be shortened, as we cannot defend ourselves from natural disasters.... check the latest hurriance out for example.
 

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It's ok, Blair was voted back in so the war on oil will continue. We won't be affected.

Not to mention they havn't actualy discovered all the fossil fuels, so all this guessing when we're gonna run out is only worked out off stuff they've discovered. :D
 

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Bio-diesel is discussed in the article. The main problem being highlighted is that the production of bio-diesel is very dependent on conventional oil. I.e. Heavy machinery and mechanical plants and the actually harvesting (all of which require oil to operate and build). Whether Bio-diesel can support its own production to anywhere near the same effectiveness as oil is what needs to be found out.
 

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Earl said:
It's ok, Blair was voted back in so the war on oil will continue. We won't be affected.

Not to mention they havn't actualy discovered all the fossil fuels, so all this guessing when we're gonna run out is only worked out off stuff they've discovered. :D

No it is worked out via scentific estimates of the size of the harvestable oil reserve. Yes it could be wrong but reasons why it does not really matter are also discussed in the linked website.
 

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not sure what im gonna drink when all the oils gone...nothing better than a pint of oil :)
 

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if we put more money into actually finding viable power solutions then it wont be a problems, and the sooner we implement them the better- but I dont see it happening because the oil companies weild alot of political power :twak:
 

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I work for an energy consultancy firm specialising in the oil & gas industry.

I didn't read the whole article posted, but basically, demand for oil will outstrip supply around the 2010 mark, that's 5 years away. That's given an average world growth of 1.5% per annum.

If you take that up to 3.5% growth, we already have more demand than supply.

Renewables are being exploited, and windfarms are going online all around the globe to help with the demand for energy.

The main problem is ignorance; "oh it doesn't matter", "yes I really need a 6 litre car". No, you don't. Sure it might help, but in xx years when the seeds of your loins are fighting and dying in wars based on materials you were burning in your chavved up fiesta; you might just regret it.
 

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car2.jpg


whats wrong with my car!?




p.s its not rly mine! :D
 

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just plant praries of hemp, problem solved
 

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Windfarms are next to pointless, they produce so little power, they are nothing but a token gesture to sustainibilty, we need 90% effecient solar cells or to get Fusion reactors working.

Tidal power is quite promising and has the advantage of being mostly out of sight.

It doesn't matter what we do, we WILL fight wars over oil as it runs out.

THAT IS GUARANTEED
 

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America already does fight wars over oil :)
 

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Raven said:
America already does fight wars over oil :)


And this is exactly why I think America will be the first to strike any country with an abundance of oil when they start running out. Especially if you have a retard like Bush sitting in the White House, wonderful.
 

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Job said:
Windfarms are next to pointless, they produce so little power, they are nothing but a token gesture to sustainibilty, we need 90% effecient solar cells or to get Fusion reactors working.

Tidal power is quite promising and has the advantage of being mostly out of sight.

It doesn't matter what we do, we WILL fight wars over oil as it runs out.

THAT IS GUARANTEED

This is actually not true; windfarms are very efficient, especially the latest turbine technologies available. Tidal power only currently accounts for 1% of the renewable energy market; it's harder to harness.
 

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Simple! a big swiming pool, reinforced diving board and this guy jumping in over and over!
 
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Gamah said:
This site provides some interesting reads about the end of the oil era, it is quite bias towards its opinion..but it does get you thinking!

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net


Havn't read the linked stuff but i'd guess its some nostrodamos baised opinions of war etc. Fact is there is quiet alot of oil left in the world still. Read in some sience magazine some months ago that there is large amount of oil in the northern sea and around the poles left.
Yet it would be a quiet good idea to start working on some new and more effective ways to produce that joule before the oil is actually out :p
 
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Sharma said:
And this is exactly why I think America will be the first to strike any country with an abundance of oil when they start running out. Especially if you have a retard like Bush sitting in the White House, wonderful.


Yah, and the scary question is, would anyone try to opose 'em?
 

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Saw Rob Newman at the fringe - his comedy show was based a lot on the politics of oil:

In world war 1 - a large number of british troops were stationed in Basra not too far from Baghdad ;) they found oil there in 1905 I believe? something like that anyway.

Apparently america outstripped it's oil supply in about 1973 hence the abundance of "american plans to bring democracy to the middle east" (as a recent G8 decision was dubbed by the press).

He was also pointing out the rather scary reality that we use a massive amount of oil in the production of food (I imagine in the farming, transport etc.) which we never used to... it's not just driving your SUVs around :)
 

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I've already started collecting Bottlecaps for when the Fallout happens.
 

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im betting on fusion energy, they hit the point-zero or whatever they call it (it produces as much energy as it uses)
 

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Ballard said:
No it is worked out via scentific estimates of the size of the harvestable oil reserve. Yes it could be wrong but reasons why it does not really matter are also discussed in the linked website.

but they can't estimate undiscovered things.. .. can they? :|
 

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Matriarch|Sneakers said:
Havn't read the linked stuff but i'd guess its some nostrodamos baised opinions of war etc. Fact is there is quiet alot of oil left in the world still.

lol I think you need to read the article then... according to the author it does not matter that there 'is quiet alot of oil left in the world still' . The point is that the world economy will be ruined BEFORE the oil actually runs out. As soon as oil cost reaches a certain point it makes most modern industry un-economic resulting in a catastrophic shutdown of most of the aspects of modern society.
 

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