"Interesting" moral/social discussion.

[old.Tohtori]

Well, we all know having sex with young 'un's is bad. Norty. Especially if an older person humps a 15 year old.

Now, example 1:

A 11 year old falls in a coma, wakes up later around the age of 21. Is it ok then? Why? Why not?

Example 2:

Basicly the same, we would have the tech to transfer a 11 year olds mind into an older body. Same things, why is it ok, why is it not?

Hopefully people will discuss this in an orderly fashion. Do tell if it's too "touchy" a subject.

 

[Laddey]

Well, we all know having sex with young 'un's is bad. Norty. Especially if an older person humps a 15 year old.

Now, example 1:

A 11 year old falls in a coma, wakes up later around the age of 21. Is it ok then? Why? Why not?

Example 2:

Basicly the same, we would have the tech to transfer a 11 year olds mind into an older body. Same things, why is it ok, why is it not?

Hopefully people will discuss this in an orderly fashion. Do tell if it's too "touchy" a subject.

Sunday isn't much of a thinking day for me, so i don't totally get what you mean mate.

Example 1 - Wouldn't that be classed as rape? You mean, sleeping with the girl when shes in a coma? I don't know, sorry :<

 

[Golena]

Example 1 - Wouldn't that be classed as rape? You mean, sleeping with the girl when shes in a coma? I don't know, sorry :<

What he's getting at is that if the girl had been in a coma for 10 years then when she woke up, while she has a 21 year old's body she'd still only really be 11 in terms of who she was.

I think there's probably 2 things that should determine it.
1) how able is the person's body able to cope with it.
2) Is the person mature enough to know what they are doing.

Everyone in this case is different, and simply assigning a number of days since your born has never been a particularly good way of doing it. It's just the only real way the law can be implemented fairly between legal or not legal.
So the answer is simply, depends on the girl.
That said it's doubtful that anyone waking up after 10 years in a coma would be up for it for quite a while. Not that i'm an expert here ofc.

 

[Laddey]

What he's getting at is that if the girl had been in a coma for 10 years then when she woke up, while she has a 21 year old's body she'd still only really be 11 in terms of who she was.

I think there's probably 2 things that should determine it.
1) how able is the person's body able to cope with it.
2) Is the person mature enough to know what they are doing.

Everyone in this case is different, and simply assigning a number of days since your born has never been a particularly good way of doing it. It's just the only real way the law can be implemented fairly between legal or not legal.
So the answer is simply, depends on the girl.
That said it's doubtful that anyone waking up after 10 years in a coma would be up for it for quite a while. Not that i'm an expert here ofc.

Ah i see what you mean now. I've never thought of that. So basically she would still have the mental age of an 11 year old?

Wouldn't it be expensive to keep somebody alive for 9years on a machine etc?

 

[Golena]

Wouldn't it be expensive to keep somebody alive for 9years on a machine etc?

Probably horribly expensive, but we do seemed to of developed a culture where keeping someone alive in a messed up state is a must instead of cutting the power no matter what.

That's a whole different moral discussion tho!

 

[Bugz]

Are you wanting us to discuss sex with young'uns altogether or only your examples?

 

[leviathane]

they'd most likely be a shit shag though to be fair

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah noticed that my sunday posting mind ain't as "to the point" either *heh*

Did mean that she did wake up from the coma.

You did sum it up quite nicely Golena, and kinda what i was aiming at. Is the legal limit only a "ghost" line so that we have SOME way to distinguish the difference. Probably yes. Need something afterall.

But is it a moral line then? Or a social nono. Would people go "Oh, she's grown 10 years in one day, guess it's ok then."

And would someone be ready, even if she said she would be.

Same would go with guys, but hell, guys f*ck even a lamppost when their young.

Are you wanting us to discuss sex with young'uns altogether or only your examples?

It's all open really. This topic might not last a longer discussion, so especially from you, a nice point of view would be welcome. It can be an open discussion about ALL related.

Mostly this is a product of my thoughts and what makes the moral/social things as they are, why are things way they are, is PC too PC or just PC....etc.

 

[Agrigo]

Probably horribly expensive, but we do seemed to of developed a culture where keeping someone alive in a messed up state is a must instead of cutting the power no matter what.

That's a whole different moral discussion tho!

Is euthanisia allowed in one of the scandanivan countrys? (Lots of spelling errors there tbh ^^)

Tbh, if you have the mental capisity of a 11 year old in a 21 year olds body - and are still able to chat up a girl then you deserve it ... otherwise id say no as the idea of a 11yo having sex makes me feel sick :/

 

[Neffneff]

having an age limit for sex, is more about the mental capability of the woman, and her ability to be able to look after whatever evul lil sprog comes about from it. after all, it is her that by tradition has the dire responsibility of being stuck with any resultant child, even if the father scarpers.

so upon that view of it, i would have to say sex with a 11 year old is wrong, wether or not she be in the body of a 21 yr old. surely you can see that actuall ages aside, some 15 yr old, or even 13 and younger, do alrdy have a pretty good 21 yr old body sometimes, and yet inside myself, and i reckon most of society it is most certainly still wrong to have sex with her..wether "she looked 21" or not.

actual ages are irrelevant to me, its the capabilities within a person to

1. be physically able and ready to bear a child (if you cant bear a child you shouldnt be humping!)
and
2. be mentally capable of caring for and providing for said child, able to raise the child in a manner fitting of childhood, and responsible enough to take care of yourself at the same time without being detriment to said child ^^

for some people the yget one or the other, very rarely both, before 16, where for most people they wouldnt REALLY be rdy until they're 20s, and some are still trying to gain the latter well into their 30s. occasionally they are never rdy at all.

 

[CorNokZ]

It really depends on the girl and the boy she's gonna 'do it' with.. The first girl I shagged with was 14(The minimum age in Denmark at the time was 15) and I was 15, but we were both ready, so imo and her's it was fine

But thinking about a 14y old girl having sex now is just sick.. I mean they are not even close to being fully grown and they are basicly still kids, so they shouldn't be doing grown-up stuff like having sex. But back then it seemed perfectly fine as we were both ready to do it and neither of us regrets it..

I don't know where to set the limit really, I just know that I wouldn't do a 14-15y old girl these days.. 13 is the right age tbh! :worthy: (Just kidding, take a chill-pill you flaming bastards )

 

[fettoken]

Anyone seen that South Park episode where the teacher have a relationship with Ike ? One word.... Niiiiiice.

 

[CorNokZ]

Anyone seen that South Park episode where the teacher have a relationship with Ike ? One word.... Niiiiiice.

Niiice

 

[Bugz]

It's all open really. This topic might not last a longer discussion, so especially from you, a nice point of view would be welcome. It can be an open discussion about ALL related.

You make it sound like my point of view's are normally nasteh!

Anywho, I think it's something you can only really look at through individual characters (i.e - everyone will have a different opinion - although mine is always right ). The area I live in has the highest teenage pregnency rate in Europe, which goes to show that most teenagers who have sex here are stupid individuals who should be shot, shortly after their families.

However, some of us teenagers have underage sex / sleep with someone underage / or just have sex in general but are safe, reasonable and within the limits of our partner's consent.

I hate the idea of labelling my gf as something nasty because I was underage when we started, and I feel it's wrong to do so.

Unfortunately, with the fucked up country we exist in (Never come to England guys), laws are often brought in that have the chance to affect the majority but are only really enforced to keep a hold on the minority.

Just a mon avis anywho.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You make it sound like my point of view's are normally nasteh!

Actually meant your age in a positive way this time


Not that you're not nasty.

You are.

Really.

*shakes head*

 

[Bugz]

Actually meant your age in a positive way this time

My astounding teenage experiance, my glorious sex life, my undenyable street credit all count for something!

Finally!

 

[Davejohnson]

morally speaking, having sex with a person that enjoys it should never be wrong.

from that statement age is of no relevance, its just a matter of personal growth/developement along with the obvious body-requirements, such as beeing able to feel horny and aroused from sexual touching.

if both partners have pure and honest intentions, and are aiming to give the other person a good experience, theres really no faulty thing with it.

 

[Thadius]

they'd most likely be a shit shag though to be fair

If they were in a comaq, they would just lay there!

You must have seen Kill Bill

 

[Zenith]

Yeah noticed that my sunday posting mind ain't as "to the point" either *heh*

Did mean that she did wake up from the coma.
Is the legal limit only a "ghost" line so that we have SOME way to distinguish the difference. Probably yes. Need something afterall.

But is it a moral line then? Or a social nono. Would people go "Oh, she's grown 10 years in one day, guess it's ok then."

The legal limit is there becouse MOST of the teenagers below the 16( or is it 15? ) year of age line are not ready for sex. Some of them might be, but most of them are not, so they make a law that will atleast reduce the number of people Not ready for sex to have it below that limit.

And Golena did sum it up quite nice, it depends on the girl. I would not think it is OK tho, since I dont think alot of 11year olds are ready for sex, being a 21year old body or not. But again, depends on the person.

 

[Overdriven]

morally speaking, having sex with a person that enjoys it should never be wrong.

I honestly think 15/16 is the right age, as they're capable of making the decision themselves. I mean, at that age they know enough about the risks and have had the right amount (or so) of sex-based information given to them. I mean, the ex and I were 15 on the first go. Both knew the risks, both felt it was right and it worked out. I think a 25 year old sleeping with a 15 year old is wrong, duh. But I think like.. 15-21 is fine, aslong as they're both ready.

from that statement age is of no relevance, its just a matter of personal growth/developement along with the obvious body-requirements, such as beeing able to feel horny and aroused from sexual touching.

Maturity too, I know some people who are younger who are alot more mature than some of my older friends. But yeah, body-reqs are a big part. *Won't make a gross joke*

if both partners have pure and honest intentions, and are aiming to give the other person a good experience, theres really no faulty thing with it.

/agree. (15-21)

 

[uron]

It really depends on the girl and the boy she's gonna 'do it' with.. The first girl I shagged with was 14(The minimum age in Denmark at the time was 15) and I was 15, but we were both ready, so imo and her's it was fine

But thinking about a 14y old girl having sex now is just sick.. I mean they are not even close to being fully grown and they are basicly still kids, so they shouldn't be doing grown-up stuff like having sex. But back then it seemed perfectly fine as we were both ready to do it and neither of us regrets it..

I don't know where to set the limit really, I just know that I wouldn't do a 14-15y old girl these days.. 13 is the right age tbh! :worthy: (Just kidding, take a chill-pill you flaming bastards )

was this the 1 u turned into a nun or was tht another bird?

 

[CorNokZ]

Alex are you chasing me around FH again?

But no it wasn't.. She taught the international language of love!

No the nun was another bird.. I haven't seen her in school for awhile so she might have joined the convent

 

[uron]

Alex are you chasing me around FH again?

But no it wasn't.. She taught the international language of love!

No the nun was another bird.. I haven't seen her in school for awhile so she might have joined the convent

yea im after u! nah trolling before i go to bed, and watching videos on Youtube!

 

[Ctuchik]

Well, we all know having sex with young 'un's is bad. Norty. Especially if an older person humps a 15 year old.

Now, example 1:

A 11 year old falls in a coma, wakes up later around the age of 21. Is it ok then? Why? Why not?

Example 2:

Basicly the same, we would have the tech to transfer a 11 year olds mind into an older body. Same things, why is it ok, why is it not?

Hopefully people will discuss this in an orderly fashion. Do tell if it's too "touchy" a subject.

aslong as they are of legal age and willing i dont really give a damn....

 

[Ctuchik]

If they were in a comaq, they would just lay there!

You must have seen Kill Bill

whats so fun about shagging something that obviously dont care about it?

 

[CorNokZ]

whats so fun about shagging something that obviously dont care about it?

You get an orgasm? Isn't that what it's all about? - Duh..?

 

[Overdriven]

You get an orgasm? Isn't that what it's all about? - Duh..?

I just get a stinging sensation then start screaming... Isn't that what an orgasm is?

 

[CorNokZ]

I just get a stinging sensation then start screaming... Isn't that what an orgasm is?

Ye, something like that

I usually scream like a 12y old school girl, cum all over the place, shiver alittle then start crying..

 

[Potato Junkie]

there was a story in my local paper a few years ago, some poor woman who was actually 20+ but had Down's Syndrome and the mental age of a child... how do you categorise that? Is the guy who fucked her a molester, or is it okay because she's chronologically old enough?

Imo, if she (or anybody in your examples) hasn't got the mental / emotional ability of the apparent age .. it's abuse

Although I do have some sympathy for 15 year olds who are a bit brighter than the norm, and they're experimenting with people their own age, as long as they use contraception! (tries not to think of how many ppl in their 20's aren't aware of protection, numpties)

is a contentious issue tho

 

[Gamah]

If it bleeds..it breeds.