Intel 2.2Ghz

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Embattle
No I agree that you prefer Intel but please don't try and make out AMD make worse chips when Intel have had two major blunders in there manufacturing process leading to FPU problems with Pentiums and then a P3-1.13Ghz which fell all other the place.

Don't try and make out like AMD have been perfect, as they have been far from it. I can't be fucked to list everything they've done wrong in the past, but lack of thermal protection up until recently, apparent lack of floating point unit on everything prior to Athlon, their apparent inability to design a chip that runs cooler than the fires of hell itself and a complete lack of innovation throughout their lives spring to mind.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Bodhi


Don't try and make out like AMD have been perfect, as they have been far from it. I can't be fucked to list everything they've done wrong in the past, but lack of thermal protection up until recently, apparent lack of floating point unit on everything prior to Athlon, their apparent inability to design a chip that runs cooler than the fires of hell itself and a complete lack of innovation throughout their lives spring to mind.

Never said they were perfect, just you seem unable to realise that Intel certainly aren't.

None of these required a recall, nor can they be considered manufacturing problems. They also have no effect on stability or results when running within the proper guidelines, such as fixing an HSF properly

 

[Will]

Bodhi, take a look at the link in the other post on building a PC.

In fact, just to make it easy, here it is.

 

[throdgrain]

at last! imformation!
unlike the rest of this thread i dont want a "my pc is better than your pc" conversation,just to know whats going on.thanks very much!
from what ive read so far i may be sticking with my p3 for a while yet...

 

[Will]

No problem - it's a very interesting little article, but takes a while to read through.

 

[Wij]

What RAM type did you pair this P4 with ?

Bodhi - the best performing P4 platform is SiS 645 with DDR333.

 

[throdgrain]

hang on a minute...

as far as i can see,for all that bloke in the article banging on about cache memory,in the anandtech tests linked to it there is bugger all difference between the 2 makes really.
wij my mates (well me brother actually) p4 has sdr ram as far as im aware.256mb.
but then i assume my p3 has the same type of ram,tho admittedly 384 mb.

 

[Will]

You are right, but basically, what the article is stating is that the P4 could have been a better chip, but due to several design flaws, has been significantly hampered. This is the reason a 1.53ghz athlon xp can beat a P2 2ghz in testing (numbers are made up due to extreme lazyness, may not reflect the truth in any way), as the clock speed is not directly comparable with performance.

 

[Wij]

Re: hang on a minute...

Originally posted by throdgrain
as far as i can see,for all that bloke in the article banging on about cache memory,in the anandtech tests linked to it there is bugger all difference between the 2 makes really.
wij my mates (well me brother actually) p4 has sdr ram as far as im aware.256mb.
but then i assume my p3 has the same type of ram,tho admittedly 384 mb.

SDRAM cripples P4s. They need more memory bandwidth than a P3. You need DDR or RDRAM to get decent performance out of them.

 

[throdgrain]

is that a motherboard thing or a simple buy different ram thing wij?i take it ddr ram is more expensive than sdr ram.im also assuming that my p3 has sdr ram.

 

[FuZor]

NICE!!! FACTS and not Fiction. I knew someone else out there READ!!!

Bodhi, if u want intel for a good chipset fot your m/b then god help you. I have read many reports on major Bugs with the chipsets they make uke:


Intel are good, but stop knocking AMD. They offer a far more competitive soloution. and often excel intel!!! and they are the reason intel are LOWERING there rip off prices

 

[Will]

Some people just won't listen, so there is no point trying.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by throdgrain
is that a motherboard thing or a simple buy different ram thing wij?i take it ddr ram is more expensive than sdr ram.im also assuming that my p3 has sdr ram.

Unless you have one of those SiS 645 based boards that are equipped to take SDR or DDR I'd guess you'd need to upgrade the motherboard as well as the memory.

Most P4 systems you buy in shops are an UTTER rip-off because they are equipped with SDRAM which makes then perform like a Celeron

 

[*Kornholio*]

Not a lot of difference in price between a 256 meg stick of sdram & one of ddr... a couple of quid i think...

 

[Wij]

yup. but unless you change the mobo :/

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Omg, i read like 2/3s of that huge article, and it took me at least an hour :/

Oh well, i learned something big today

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by ItchyTrigaFinga
Bodhi, take a look at the link in the other post on building a PC.

In fact, just to make it easy, here it is.

There are too many factual innacuracies in that article for me to take it as bible. I haven't read it in a while, as it struck me as being written by the sort of person who thinks Linux is a good thing (tm) - although it is more effective than Nytol - but I remember some of his descroptions of Intel's processors around the 486 generation to be plain wrong.

And if Intel had put in all that he said they should have, he would have written an article entitled "Why Intel processors cost too much".

Never said they were perfect, just you seem unable to realise that Intel certainly aren't.

I never said Intel were either. I admit they have made a balls up or two in their history. But then again, so do Intel. Which AMD seem completely unable to do.

Bodhi, if u want intel for a good chipset fot your m/b then god help you. I have read many reports on major Bugs with the chipsets they make

Asides from the Caminogate saga, which again Intel admitted and replaced the affected motherboards, please name me one. Preferably not ones from viahardware.com, amdzone.com, or anandtech )). Intel make the most stable chipsets on the planet. Fact. If you cannot see this, you truly are a retard.

Bodhi - the best performing P4 platform is SiS 645 with DDR333

i850 and SiS 645 seem to trade benchmark wins, hence why I said generally. Plus, have you seen any DDR333 anywhere?

 

[FuZor]

Stable when they make em right!
I agree Intel make more stable designs though. This however does'nt mean everything is is 'shite'! I say again INTEL ARE GOOD but AMD ARE NOT SHITE!

 

[FuZor]

Here is the list of faulty chipsets that I know of:

Intel 820 chipset

Intel 840 chipset

The i815 and i815E chipsets 'were made faulty' but rectified before release (The delays caused manufacturers to seek out alternatives like VIA).

Thats the recent ones!!!

A little CPU history.....

The Pentium 3 had to be recalled 1.13GHz anyone? NOT!
Apparently this was because they were trying to catch up on AMD!!! and in the process pushed the P3 to fast too quick. Now thats a hot CPU Bodhi!!! burn-em out real good!

hey I could go on, but why bother?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I'm happy with my P3 800, and i probebrly will be for another 6 months, then maybe i will consider getting a new system, and running this one as a router/firewall type thing.

I have to say, i proberbly would buy an Athlon right about now, as there doesn't seem to be any reason why one would fork out the extra $$$ for a P4. That article was most interesting. Even if some of it isn't true as Bodhi claims, i'm fairly certain alot of what he said is good, and quite frankly, i don't see how anyone could buy P4 after facing those facts.

But to end the flames: Don't fucking argue about it now. Everyone here is happy with their proccessor, let's leave it with that, and get back to disscussing the P4 2.2ghz.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Quicksolv
Here is the list of faulty chipsets that I know of:

Intel 820 chipset

Intel 840 chipset

The i815 and i815E chipsets 'were made faulty' but rectified before release (The delays caused manufacturers to seek out alternatives like VIA).

Thats the recent ones!!!

A little CPU history.....

The Pentium 3 had to be recalled 1.13GHz anyone? NOT!
Apparently this was because they were trying to catch up on AMD!!! and in the process pushed the P3 to fast too quick. Now thats a hot CPU Bodhi!!! burn-em out real good!

hey I could go on, but why bother?

*sigh*

I honestly don;t know why you do bother to be honest.

i820 - yes I mentioned that one previously. And Intel replaced affected motherboards with new ones without the issue.

i840 - There was a problem with that? I find that hard to believe seeing as it's still on sale to the general public. The only issue I remember with it was that the P3 simply couldn't take advantage of the dual-channel RAMBUS.

i815 - Don;t remember any issues with that either. You sure you're not making this up?

P3 - 1.13Ghz. That has been covered already. Intel admitted there mistake and recalled the 600 chips they had already sent to Dell.

 

[Embattle]

I remember something about the 815 but nothing of importance.

Manufacturers of boards often produce the best chipsets, in fact like Intel, AMD 760 chipset was solid. Via, SiS, etc however often produce faster chipsets but they're not quite as reliable.

The best chipset ever had to be the 440BX often making ass of Intels new chipset the 810, I think that was the new one to replace the 440BX

 

[Wij]

Supposedly the 820 was gonna replace the BX (which I still have in my second system - lubbly ) but it was too wank, that's why they bit the bullet and made the 815.

 

[FuZor]

To right ShockingAlberto


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