Intel 2.2Ghz

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Embattle

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Seems that Intel is currently playing a waiting game. Perhaps they haven't got the marketing ready yet since I've seen a computer with a P4 2.2Ghz in it.
 
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throdgrain

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hmm im a bit confused about all this huge processor size stuff atm.a friend recently bought a 1.7 p4 with a gf2mx-400 and it makes like 15 fps more on a q3 demo than my p3 1gig with exactly the same config.he bought it to replace his aging 600 p3 so its not a problem for him,tho if i'd bought it to replace mine i'd be pissed off to say the least.
 
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Scouse

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Well - the P4 1.7 sucks - its about the same as a 1.2 P3

Plus - the GF2MX isn't up to much nowadays. - His bottleneck's the graphics card.
 
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FuZor

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Well I dunno... whats wrong with AMD people!!! I would'nt go back to intel after my T-Bird :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by Quicksolv
Well I dunno... whats wrong with AMD people!!! I would'nt go back to intel after my T-Bird :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Simple. AMD are fucking shit.
 
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FuZor

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WTF?!!!

erm I think you will find AMD exel intel with regard to performance Bodhi!!!

AMD are the boys RESPECT. To compete with those bloodsuckers INTEL whoose technology may be better, but have you seen any games optimized for a P4? Well I havent, however I see many with the AMD Optimized sticker on the box. :clap:

No point in making new technolgy IE the new P4 code if developers don't support it!

Keep paying rip-off prices to P4 though... :) keeps AMD cheaper :) :)
 
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Embattle

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TBH those stickers are worthless and generally all it means is that 3DNOW is supported and if it is then so is SSE.

BTW you'll never win with Bodhi regarding this fact and he will no doubt turn to the fact that Athlons can fry if the HSF falls off ;)
 
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FuZor

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Hey don't care about winning!!! I know little about P4 but I thought they had some extra functions? SSE2?

Thats what I was refering to, I know about SSE!

Yep T-Birds fry big styla without Heatsinks :) but only a gimp would try to install a CPU without one!!!

Intel are the best technologically, but AMD are far from 'shit'
I like em, besides I don't like those gay tv adverts Intel push :D
 
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FuZor

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AMD Athlon™ vs INTEL

Feature AMD Athlon™ XP / Pentium® 4
Operations per clock cycle 9 / 6
Integer pipelines 3 / 4
Floating point pipelines 3 / 2
Full x86 decoders 3 / 1
L1 cache size 128KB / 12k µop (Trace Cache) + 8KB (Data Cache)

L2 cache size 256KB / 256KB
Total full-speed cache 384KB / 264KB+12K µop
System bus speed 266MHz / 400MHz
3D instructions 3DNow!™ / SSE2

Read this over your cornflakes
:D
 
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Embattle

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He doesn't mean installing one without a HSF, he is refering to should the HSF fall off there is nothing to stop it melting.
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by Quicksolv
WTF?!!!

erm I think you will find AMD exel intel with regard to performance Bodhi!!!

AMD are the boys RESPECT. To compete with those bloodsuckers INTEL whoose technology may be better, but have you seen any games optimized for a P4? Well I havent, however I see many with the AMD Optimized sticker on the box. :clap:

No point in making new technolgy IE the new P4 code if developers don't support it!

Keep paying rip-off prices to P4 though... :) keeps AMD cheaper :) :)
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AMD are fucking shit. End of. Next incoherent ramble please!
 
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throdgrain

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hehe all very funny ;)
but can anyone please EXPLAIN to me why that 1.7 p4 is only a bit quicker on q3 than my wonderful p3? i ask cos i am interested.
 
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PR.

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Originally posted by Bodhi


AMD are fucking shit. End of. Next incoherent ramble please!
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I agree :)

AMD is the CPU equivalent of VIA, they both sell large amounts, they're both cheap and most importantly they're both shite

/me strokes nice new P4 1.9ghz
 
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throdgrain

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but still no rational explaination as to why a 1.7p4 is only 15 fps faster than a 1.0 p3! when a 1.0p3 is 60 fps faster than a 0,6 p3.
its doing my head in!
 
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*Kornholio*

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what kind of m/board is the P4 on, and what kind is the P3 on ??
 
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FuZor

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LOL :)

Just aswell these are opinions. It would have to be a shite heatsink to just fall off!!! I have built a p3 and t-bird system. No problems so far, and how could it fall off?

Via??

Messed up people! they make Cyrix, Which are shite!!! A T-Bird is faster than a P4 with some operations. Does anyone read articles these days? or do they all go to the Intel website and believe the shite they pilfer out?!

I'm absolutely happy with my 1.3 Ghz T-Bird, Ati Radeon 64, SB Audigy,19-inch! Smooth, fast, and runs everything with options maxed out!!! Just got Commanche 4 nice..... I was considering a P4 for my next upgrade. But I'm now on a mission to prove people wrong!!! P4 are good i'm not saying they are not. But AMD are far from shite, although they are getting to be too close to P4 prices for my liking


:rolleyes:
 
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*Kornholio*

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Originally posted by Quicksolv
But AMD are far from shite, although they are getting to be too close to P4 prices for my liking
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Indeed, but I still think you get more for your money with AMD... I've just ordered an XP-1600+... can't wait for it to arrive... should make a nice change from my P3 733 that doesn't really like Comanche 4... :rolleyes:
 
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FuZor

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Nice... :) C4 recomends a p3 700 on a 133 bus, so you should see a nice improvement!

Someone mentioned the 400Mhz bus on the p4. U only get the most out of that if u have Rambus ram!!!

the 266 Bus used on the Athlons is designed fo DDR ram double data rate. Which I believe is slightly faster then Rambus...
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by throdgrain
hmm im a bit confused about all this huge processor size stuff atm.a friend recently bought a 1.7 p4 with a gf2mx-400 and it makes like 15 fps more on a q3 demo than my p3 1gig with exactly the same config.he bought it to replace his aging 600 p3 so its not a problem for him,tho if i'd bought it to replace mine i'd be pissed off to say the least.
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Didn't you buy a GF3 Ti 200 tho? If you did, there is your answer.



And no amount of pretty bar charts can persuade me that AMD make better chips. However, the reduced number of BSOD's I see with Intel chips, can persuade me that Intel do. And personally, I'm quite happy to take a chip where the best performing solution isn't made by VIA.
 
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Embattle

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Originally posted by Bodhi


Didn't you buy a GF3 Ti 200 tho? If you did, there is your answer.



And no amount of pretty bar charts can persuade me that AMD make better chips. However, the reduced number of BSOD's I see with Intel chips, can persuade me that Intel do. And personally, I'm quite happy to take a chip where the best performing solution isn't made by VIA.
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As stated, its not possible to link a BSOD to any processor....it can be linked to an OS though, like win9x based OS.

I do however feel it's totally pointless explaining it to you Bodhi, it's clear you'll always drop on the side of what you own. I also fail to see how you can compare, you've not got an AMD chip :rolleyes:
 
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bodhi

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No, but I know several people who do. One couldn;t get his PC to boot properly unless he turned off ACPI, another managed to crush the core due the utterly shit heatsink design, another can't get his to run below 60 degrees......the list goes on. I know far more satisfied Intel customers than AMD ones.

But then it's pointless trying to explain anything to you, as you'll just go all high and mighty "well if they'd installed it properly" etc etc and we'll get absolutely nowhere. Let's just agree to disagree ok?



(You mange infested cunt)


:D
 
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Embattle

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No I agree that you prefer Intel but please don't try and make out AMD make worse chips when Intel have had two major blunders in there manufacturing process leading to FPU problems with Pentiums and then a P3-1.13Ghz which fell all other the place.

Oh course you know several people who do:

1. Mobo Problem.
2. Twat and how does an HSF have any thing to do with AMD.
3. HSF not on properly.

High and mighty bit over.

(You double mange infested cunt)

:p
 
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FuZor

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Originally posted by Bodhi
No, but I know several people who do. One couldn;t get his PC to boot properly unless he turned off ACPI, another managed to crush the core due the utterly shit heatsink design, another can't get his to run below 60 degrees......the list goes on. I know far more satisfied Intel customers than AMD ones.

But then it's pointless trying to explain anything to you, as you'll just go all high and mighty "well if they'd installed it properly" etc etc and we'll get absolutely nowhere. Let's just agree to disagree ok?



(You mange infested cunt)


:D
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That ACPI sounds like a M/B and windows 2000 issue. I know that when AMD's started coming out (T-Birds) Many issues with stability etc where to do with crappy m/b's!
These issues that u are pointing out have very little to do with AMD!!! If your friends used recomended hardware as per the AMD specs. Those issues would not occur. I know I've been there
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Took me 2 m/b's to get my system running :cool:
 
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FuZor

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Originally posted by Bodhi

And personally, I'm quite happy to take a chip where the best performing solution isn't made by VIA.
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erm... did I miss something? VIA are the new manufacturers of CYRIX they took em over a while back. They also make M/B chipsets, quite a few are for P4 M/B's !!!

:upyours:

What relation do they have to AMD?
 
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throdgrain

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hello im back :)
no fitting me new gf3 200 only improved the fps at larger resolutions on my pc.at 800-600 the fps was much the same.so,u got a p3 1.0 with (originally) a gf2mx 32mb versus a p4 1.7 with a gf2mx 64mb,yet only 15-20 fps increase.
on the vid card side,it did improve my rtcw playing,which is what i bought it for :)
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by Quicksolv
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Originally posted by Bodhi

And personally, I'm quite happy to take a chip where the best performing solution isn't made by VIA.
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erm... did I miss something? VIA are the new manufacturers of CYRIX they took em over a while back. They also make M/B chipsets, quite a few are for P4 M/B's !!!

:upyours:

What relation do they have to AMD?
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You missed quite a bit. The best performing solution for Athlons is made by VIA aka KT266A. The best performing solution for P4 is generally made by Intel (i850). Comprendé?
 
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