Fed up of having tons of menus so that my site was about 5 ft long. Ripped the code out of a module I wasn't using and put my own customized menu code in. Combined all the previous menus into one drop down one. Result looks great to me and much neater. Not only that but I have created what must be a first for Joomla and the SMF Arcade I am using - Random Game and High Score. Found this file that was displaying the stuff I needed but in a format that wasn't displayable and converted it to match my site. Also changed bits and pieces of the code so now a Random Game from SMF Arcade shows and is also clickable. Clicking on the picture loads the game. Also 5 high scorers linked to the Random game will display if they are available along with 10 top scores from other games. Combined both the New Menu and SMF Arcade code so that operating the menu causes the Arcade code to drop which makes everything more compact. All in all a good few hours work . No idea if anyone is using either Joomla or Mambo here but the menu and arcade code can be installed in any site - well as long as smf arcade is installed that is. If anyone wants details I will put something up soon on my forum.