Infil vs SB

[Wmv]

I wish there was some way to secure my account so all retards who says sbs and infils are balanced could try my acc for a few days vs infils with relics.

You would change your minds faster then you could say NERF

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

i've had Vodkafairy hitting me for 500 mainhand (not PA) and ive had Infils hitting me for about same dmg but infs follow up 300-500 main hands with 150-170 offhands.
and there's infils that hit for 170-260ish main hand wich is about same dmg as i do but their offhand do more than me.
typical infil comment is "stop speccing like hidden minizerks!!" and so on, but consider the fact that if SB's dont spec decent LA then we cannot use 1h weapons cos the damage will be totally gimped. (read about LA mechanics if you dont know what im talking about)
as we're already talking about specs, an SB actually cant afford speccing any line to 50 without sacrificing anything essential such as infils can.

Saracen Infil:
str/dex based dmg (Thrust)
400ish dex easily (buffed)
300ish strength easily (buffed)
best str/con debuff without any major sacrifice
possibility to stealth duo with minstrel (* that is also a main reason to alb stealth pwnage)

Norse SB:
Str based dmg (slash)
300-350ish strength (buffed)
can use 2h weapons (wether it should count as bonus isnt really clear to me atm)
must choose between LA, CS or envenom or spec average in all 3


Inf vs. SB 1 on 1 fights are fairly predictible on paper, due to str/con debuff the infil should be able to walk all over the SB as it nerf our str based WS and dmg beyond recognition, but ofc that doesent allways happen but Infils will allways have the edge towards SB's due to this.
seems to me when u consider dmg Alb is on top all over and the dmg table minstrels have scare me as they hit so hard with only 29ish weapon spec.

Scout (bow dmg) > Hunter/Ranger
Infil > NS/SB
Reaver > all tanks

and so on.

and it turned out that albs had a viable FG fotm setup but where too busy whining about it to find it out themselves, so in the end Albion is the real fotm realm with every possibility to play the strongest class compared to counterparts in other realms, and they also usually have more ppl playing their realm than other realms on most servers wich mean they can outnumber with classes that got an edge against their opponents in many circumstanses.
So NF overall should suit albion well on most servers

wether Infils need a nerf or SB's or NS need a boost i dont wanna comment really, done that far too often and dont really have any great answers that havent been mentioned before, but infils are definatly the strongest assassin and that i can say without any doubt.

 

[lofff]

such classic thread <3

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Are people also saying that since infils have always hit 350+ & 160+ that we are now hitting for 420+ & 192+? Since we have spent over a year without str relics, and now we have 3 (+20%).

on prydwen, the newely necro PLed rr2 infs hits for 250+, without relics.

and its not a very rare thing that the higher rank ones hit for 350+ on about every 2 hits

 

[wittor]

wether Infils need a nerf or SB's or NS need a boost i dont wanna comment really

NS don't need a boost (they are fine =P).. but SB's do

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

I wish there was some way to secure my account so all retards who says sbs and infils are balanced could try my acc for a few days vs infils with relics.

You would change your minds faster then you could say NERF

beleve me, it wouldnt.

inf friends have tried my SB and they just say its my char thats gimped.

 

[Jox]

To balance 39 classes with ras, mls, artifacts and relics while 10 000 people screems; Nerf them and give me more strength!!! cant be easy.

The idea was like communism; Looked great on paper but just didnt hold in reality due to human nature.

WoW have evaded that trap and made all classes the same(except for 2), which feels like a smart move. Now they can spend their energy/time/money on the game itself.

 

[Chronictank]

give sb cleric af and id say they were roughly balanced.
I just sit smugly in the knowledge that infils have to xp artis without end regen

 

[Cracked]

give sb cleric af and id say they were roughly balanced.
I just sit smugly in the knowledge that infils have to xp artis without end regen

They just grab a Minstrel friend with a salamander. Ding wooot! GSV lvl10!

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

NS don't need a boost (they are fine =P).. but SB's do

well, i actually thought so for a long time, but the str relics made us work for a while
i do hope for SB's sake they get a lil boost, but frankly i give a dam cos i've retired my SB and i doubt it will become active anytime soon.
since NF i've become tired of the alb zerg both stealth and regular (duh ) mids might be zerging aswell but i aint following the zergs cos i dont like yellow-red framerate)

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

well, i actually thought so for a long time, but the str relics made us work for a while
i do hope for SB's sake they get a lil boost, but frankly i give a dam cos i've retired my SB and i doubt it will become active anytime soon.
since NF i've become tired of the alb zerg both stealth and regular (duh ) mids might be zerging aswell but i aint following the zergs cos i dont like yellowred framerate)

Won't happen.

As far as mythic are concerned the assassins are balanced, no-one has proven otherwise, TLS think they're equal and mythic is concentrating on mainstream classes (not stealth) and expansions.

You could do what the rest of mid has done and roll a SM?

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

i've rerolled server (camlann) and even rerolled game (to something i can save and turn off when my GF want my attention )
so u wont see me as a caster EVER!!! (unless in BG ofc)

 

[Indrid]

Won't happen.

As far as mythic are concerned the assassins are balanced, no-one has proven otherwise, TLS think they're equal and mythic is concentrating on mainstream classes (not stealth) and expansions.

You could do what the rest of mid has done and roll a SM?

u seem to be afraid of infils getting nurf? saying everything here u can, thats it pointless to whine.. but look what infils did on LA, they whined and it got nurfed, maybe if we whine enough too then infils will get nurfed, or SBs a boost..

 

[Jaem-]

In my opinion, SB were ok when mid had relics in OF.

One thing I've noticed in this thread, theres alot of people defending classes that don't need it...

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

u seem to be afraid of infils getting nurf? saying everything here u can, thats it pointless to whine.. but look what infils did on LA, they whined and it got nurfed, maybe if we whine enough too then infils will get nurfed, or SBs a boost..

Too funny

SBs have been whining for 10 patches and not only are they ignored but TLs say its not an issue.

Whining didn't get LA fixed - it got the bug noticed but tests and Waterman's figures did (yay!)

And nerfing infils - well seeing as the mechanics of all their lines are idnetical to NS, and the mechanics of 4 of their lines identical to SBs, and seeing as their main weapon line is common to all Alb, that armour table have been equalised and that all realms have access to leg weap how so?

Proof - sadly missing. Whining sadly prevalent.

 

[Framfall]

Too funny

SBs have been whining for 10 patches and not only are they ignored but TLs say its not an issue.

Whining didn't get LA fixed - it got the bug noticed but tests and Waterman's figures did (yay!)

And nerfing infils - well seeing as the mechanics of all their lines are idnetical to NS, and the mechanics of 4 of their lines identical to SBs, and seeing as their main weapon line is common to all Alb, that armour table have been equalised and that all realms have access to leg weap how so?

Proof - sadly missing. Whining sadly prevalent.

En dåres försvarstal.

You don't sound so convincing meighty, don't be afraid.

I hereby claim 2.5 spec point is a bug.

And I wonder what sort of leather midgard has that is vulnerable to slash? boiled football leather?.

There are so many ways to fix the BUGS in an inf that you wouldnt be able to spell it...even if they are idnetical?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

En dåres försvarstal.

You don't sound so convincing meighty, don't be afraid.

I hereby claim 2.5 spec point is a bug.

And I wonder what sort of leather midgard has that is vulnerable to slash? boiled football leather?.

There are so many ways to fix the BUGS in an inf that you wouldnt be able to spell it...even if they are idnetical?

LA was a bug that had the growth rate being applied twice to the style - it was fixed.

If you thinktheres a bug with infils then you ID, test it, report it and get it fixed. Or just keep whining and get nothing. But seeing as no-one has, no-one can - and i'll lay money that no-one will I guess you'll just stick with the whine & be ignored stratagem.

 

[Whisperess]

LA was a bug that had the growth rate being applied twice to the style - it was fixed.

*sigh*

1.50 Patch notes
1.62 patch notes

 

[Runolas]

Too funny

SBs have been whining for 10 patches and not only are they ignored but TLs say its not an issue.

Whining didn't get LA fixed - it got the bug noticed but tests and Waterman's figures did (yay!)

Proof - sadly missing. Whining sadly prevalent.

State who you are, what RR your Inf is, spec, gear, BB you use - if you cannot or will not, then kindly STFU.

kthx

 

[Arus Canus]

well, i actually thought so for a long time, but the str relics made us work for a while
i do hope for SB's sake they get a lil boost, but frankly i give a dam cos i've retired my SB and i doubt it will become active anytime soon.
since NF i've become tired of the alb zerg both stealth and regular (duh ) mids might be zerging aswell but i aint following the zergs cos i dont like yellow-red framerate)

Mids dont zerg, only counter-zerg! :touch:

 

[Jox]

?

Won't happen.

As far as mythic are concerned the assassins are balanced, no-one has proven otherwise, TLS think they're equal and mythic is concentrating on mainstream classes (not stealth) and expansions.

You could do what the rest of mid has done and roll a SM?

TLS think they're equal?

"There are things wrong with our class. We do not stack up well with our counterparts… for the most part we are far superior. The swarms of infs that plague many servers are a sign that there is simply “too good” about infiltrators." by Lindy_Hop

http://vnboards.ign.com/Albion_Rogue_Professions/b20906/64018580/p1

Hm, so who should people belive?

NS don't need a boost (they are fine =P).. but SB's do

Good... experienced... infils like Lindy and Wittor?

Or some some tosser who played infil in bg1 for 2 weeks?

Lol, give it upp Donttouchpoopy/Euro_Sceptic/Smilewhenyousaythat.

You were also pumping "9 sec Dragonfang aint overpowered at all!" for over a year on Rouge Board.

Guess people with a bit more experience thought other things;

"Originally not so bad a style, but in a world of 1.5 second swing speeds and backup styles, this style is beastly.

Everyone has heard the rhetoric on both sides. It is in line with things like chain brutalize or annihilation. It does not have the anytime group fight deciding capabilities of slam or caster stun. But in a one on one fight it is probably one of the most overpowered tools out there." also, by Lindy

And what happend?

Yes, it got nerfed from 9 to 5 sec.

I was right, you were wrong.

You are so 2003.

What will your next name on VN Boards be? Showmedata?

 

[Arus Canus]

Patch 1.50 - - All Left Axe styles which grow in damage as you train further in left axe have the amount they grow doubled. This is to balance out the fact that left axe damage is cut in half (because two weapons hit every round).

Patch 1.62 - Left Axe Changes

- Reduced the damage done by Left Axe Combat Styles. This will affect both classes that can specialize in Left Axe (Berserkers and Shadowblades).


Hmm??

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Jox - how many hours did you spend trying to finds chunks of text you could selectively quote? Now go read all of wyrds latest info and post his comments on LA etc from their. Mordurs TL report was pre wyrd test and does not take this into account. Really - they teach GCSE kids that kind of crap technique these days....

LA was bugged - it was fixed and we're very happy thankyouverymuch.

Can we perhaps have a separate SBwhineboard?

(And DF was overdone - especially in light of wyrds tests. Now drop it to 44 or 39 spec and for 5 secs that'd be OK)

 

[Arnor]

im just amazed that mistar facts(haha) smilewhenyousaythat constantly seems to avoid revealing who his lvl 23 infil is.


edit: Also, ROFLMAO @df needing a "boost" because it was nerfed too much really made my day

 

[liloe]

poster A: SB's are weak
poster B: read Wyrrd's tests
poster C: SB's are weak
poster B: read Wyrrd's tests
poster D: SB's are weak:
......

with an occasional: you suck etc, the usual forum stuff. Guys, you behave like 10 year old boys, don't you see that? Smileetc., you're being repetitive and you don't even bring proof of your own, of anything you say, you just quote one person (wyrrd).

This whining is so insane and even if it's true that SB's perform bad atm, whining will not change it and joining in the whine will do nothing, either, so why bother? Bring logs where you swing a hundred times with SAME stats/specs etc. I think Cyclodia did some tests with NS/infil, which was pretty well made, so you might follow that?

/shrug

guess this is a nice counter +1 thread here, cause I can see no further sense in it.


P.S. oh dear, not a single =)) in this post, must clearly be a sad one ://

 

[Calo]

liloe u are =)) !

 

[Glottis]

Wyrrd is now zerker TL. Initial testing was his. Tests have been verified by number of SB players and SB TL. And if you check with some of your own higher RR players you'll find that they have gone down this spec road (see Jox post on mid board)

Whine all you like - as far as mythic is concerned you are balanced, and you do realise the TLs and mythic devs have their own secure boards on which they discuss this. So guess what - LA is fine and won't be changing in a hurry.

Hahah, I stopped reading here, cause Smilewhatever just wtfpwned your ass.
Just like my pet wtfpwned most SB duo's out there.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Jaond]

And DF was overdone - especially in light of wyrds tests. Now drop it to 44 or 39 spec and for 5 secs that'd be OK

Sure and 2nd in a chain?

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

Sure and 2nd in a chain?

Only if its increased to 7 secs duration.

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

im just amazed that mistar facts(haha) smilewhenyousaythat constantly seems to avoid revealing who his lvl 23 infil is.


edit: Also, ROFLMAO @df needing a "boost" because it was nerfed too much really made my day

Frankly don't give a monkeys what you think. And if you want to read Linburghs (infil TL - who inidentally has campaigned more for SBs than any SB TL has) report you'll find that there. Why should the infil have the same style at 50 that the NS gets at 25?