infil specs

[Ezeine]

u just need 51 compsite spec to not get any variance while using CS styles. So 50 slash is useless if ur not planning using slash styles (why anyone wanna do that)
so spec 51-rr-11 slash and u will be fine.

If you read what bigchief said above, higher melee spec also affects lvl 50 styles from other lines (cs/dw).

So, best possible Dual Shadows damage is reached when you spec 50 slash

 

[Airwalker]

well slash caps on 39+11 = 50? and dw caps over 50 or is it like in mid LA?

to get harder pa that cap on 50+15... should I lower my slash and go high cs?
50cs 36slash 35stealth 36env 30dw on rr5?

 

[Oboy]

If you read what bigchief said above, higher melee spec also affects lvl 50 styles from other lines (cs/dw).

So, best possible Dual Shadows damage is reached when you spec 50 slash

yes agree that u need 50 slash if u spec 50 dw

but if u read up u will see that i answered air´s question about a spec with 50 slash 44cs something.

and no getting more slash then composite spec (51) will not do more dmg with cs styles, this has been tested several times both debuffed and not

well slash caps on 39+11 = 50? and dw caps over 50 or is it like in mid LA?

Dw has no cap like LA just a chanse to dual wield, so u will always aim as high dw as possbile, think chanse to dw is like 0.64Xdw specc

to get harder pa that cap on 50+15... should I lower my slash and go high cs?
50cs 36slash 35stealth 36env 30dw on rr5?

if ur aiming for high PA and if ur PAing alot in your playstyles i would go 50 CS, if u aim for a more balanced spec put those extra points from slash into DW and stay 44 CS

 

[Airwalker]

PA is my playstyle. I'll go 50cs 36slash 35stealth 36env 30dw, I think, but I red something at vnboards, some guy that tryed out the WS deb on a infil, the higher slash he had ofc the less ws he got debuffed. debuffed the same, but it's good to have higher ws than the enemies you are figthing... thats why I want high slash, I don't know much about this class, I just know they are overpowered.

 

[Punishment]

So in saying u need 50 slash to make 50 dw spec viable u are saying infils need to doublespec ?

A spec that looks good on paper to me is 50 dw 50 composite slash<51 past rr5> 32 odd env for highest str/con debuff 34 odd cs , 39 @ higher rr

Fair enough needing 50 thrust for dragonfang negates infils extra spec points totally as thrust spec ... but as slash spec u should be able to have a better alround spec , 50 or 51 composite weapontype should have little or no difference from 50+whatever slash and u get a higher utility spec with highest s/c debuff and creeping death :O

On my Nightshade <totally off topic> @ rr5 im going

44+15 CS
35+15 STEALTH
32 ENV
31+15 CD
36+15 BLADES

Unless infils need to doublespec i dont see the problem with 50 dw/composite50<51>slash spec ?

Punish out <3

 

[Oboy]

heres the debuff test from vnboards

http://vnboards.ign.com/albion_rogue_professions/b20906/94343778/p1/?27

 

[Oboy]

So in saying u need 50 slash to make 50 dw spec viable u are saying infils need to doublespec ?

A spec that looks good on paper to me is 50 dw 50 composite slash<51 past rr5> 32 odd env for highest str/con debuff 34 odd cs , 39 @ higher rr

Fair enough needing 50 thrust for dragonfang negates infils extra spec points totally as thrust spec ... but as slash spec u should be able to have a better alround spec , 50 or 51 composite weapontype should have little or no difference from 50+whatever slash and u get a higher utility spec with highest s/c debuff and creeping death :O

On my Nightshade <totally off topic> @ rr5 im going

44+15 CS
35+15 STEALTH
32 ENV
31+15 CD
36+15 BLADES

Unless infils need to doublespec i dont see the problem with 50 dw/composite50<51>slash spec ?

Punish out <3

your shade spec look good

wyrd spec only works with cs styles not dw styles. The point in specing 50 dw for a infil is to use dw styles(dual shadows) and getting better dmg then cs spec. You wont get that boost in dmg with just 51 comp spec in slash so if u planning to go 50 dw u must go 50 slash also otherwise a CS spec will outdmg you. The resson for this is that dw mechanics use base dmg(slash) to calculate dmg so u will have to max it. In dont know about CD but i guess it follows the same mechanics as DW

 

[Punishment]

your shade spec look good

wyrd spec only works with cs styles not dw styles. The point in specing 50 dw for a infil is to use dw styles(dual shadows) and getting better dmg then cs spec. You wont get that boost in dmg with just 51 comp spec in slash so if u planning to go 50 dw u must go 50 slash also otherwise a CS spec will outdmg you. The resson for this is that dw mechanics use base dmg(slash) to calculate dmg so u will have to max it. In dont know about CD but i guess it follows the same mechanics as DW

Ahh right , thanks for clearing that up , tbh fromm an infils point of view that kinda sucks :'(

Only reason im trying to bring my shades cd spec up near 50 composite is for higher chance to hit with both weapons and in a few realm ranks with mopain4 str 3 to hit and crit with both weps for the garrote of d00m !

Im not really bothered about Cd style damage as ill be using cs styles anyway

Anyway less hib addage now before inc QQ

Punish out <3

 

[bigchief]

your shade spec look good

wyrd spec only works with cs styles not dw styles. The point in specing 50 dw for a infil is to use dw styles(dual shadows) and getting better dmg then cs spec. You wont get that boost in dmg with just 51 comp spec in slash so if u planning to go 50 dw u must go 50 slash also otherwise a CS spec will outdmg you. The resson for this is that dw mechanics use base dmg(slash) to calculate dmg so u will have to max it. In dont know about CD but i guess it follows the same mechanics as DW

A CS spec will always out dmg it anyway, the damage of a DW spec comes from the increased offhand swing rates, cs styles far out dmg dw styles regardless. The problem before always came about because you would either be 50dw 50slash, or 50cs 50slash ... now you hit harder as CS, but swing offhand a lot less so less dps over time.

With a decent rr and wyrd spec you can still keep 50CS but also gain high dw thus bringing offhand swing rate in line with a DW spec, so gaining the best of both worlds.

 

[Oboy]

A CS spec will always out dmg it anyway, the damage of a DW spec comes from the increased offhand swing rates, cs styles far out dmg dw styles regardless. The problem before always came about because you would either be 50dw 50slash, or 50cs 50slash ... now you hit harder as CS, but swing offhand a lot less so less dps over time.

With a decent rr and wyrd spec you can still keep 50CS but also gain high dw thus bringing offhand swing rate in line with a DW spec, so gaining the best of both worlds.

read again, that is a CS spec

 

[Tuthmes]

Should also watch the hit bonus, defensive bonus, damage and fatigue on styles (not see'ing defensive and fatigue in the vn test).

 

[bigchief]

read again, that is a CS spec

which utterly out damages a dw spec. I fail to see your point

garotte/AH combo will out damage DS (tho drain more end) anyway. Thats before you consider openers and evade chain. The only advantage to DW damage is offhand swing rate and if you have upwards of 35dw its not a huge difference anyway.

O and im not commenting on your comments about the ns spec, its the single line in the middle which says you must be 50slash and 50dw or else a CS spec will out damage it ... i'm just pointing out a wyrd CS spec will out damage it anyway

 

[Punishment]

which utterly out damages a dw spec. I fail to see your point

garotte/AH combo will out damage DS (tho drain more end) anyway. Thats before you consider openers and evade chain. The only advantage to DW damage is offhand swing rate and if you have upwards of 35dw its not a huge difference anyway.

O and im not commenting on your comments about the ns spec, its the single line in the middle which says you must be 50slash and 50dw or else a CS spec will out damage it ... i'm just pointing out a wyrd CS spec will out damage it anyway

Well on regard to the Shade spec i agree with ure PoV totally , as i only see offhand spec as a means of landing styles <cs ones> with a view to hitting and with mopain4 critting on both And im pretty sure shades damage aint effected by being wyrd spec , but then again shades arent the topic here so ill bugger off

Punish <3

 

[Airwalker]

well, I want a spec were I hit really hard, I was thinking of using flank etc...
but with 29 in dw, will flank hit hard? if slash is 39?

50cs 39slash 35stealth 30DW 33env.
tell me a good slash spec and I want those that has played alot of infil and tryed most things on them to answer. they who knows the class really well.

how much dmg difference is it on 39-50slash? if I spec in slash, or do slash cap at 51?

 

[Eeben]

well, I want a spec were I hit really hard, I was thinking of using flank etc...
but with 29 in dw, will flank hit hard? if slash is 39?

50cs 39slash 35stealth 30DW 33env.
tell me a good slash spec and I want those that has played alot of infil and tryed most things on them to answer. they who knows the class really well.

how much dmg difference is it on 39-50slash? if I spec in slash, or do slash cap at 51?

how is the job club today ?

 

[Airwalker]

it's crap:<

now tell me a good spec for rr4-rr5

 

[Eeben]

it's crap:<

so is school abit hangover from last night

 

[Airwalker]

hungover

well... I should lower slash more caps on 50 I guess...

50cs 36slash 33DW 35stealth 33env? on rr4-rr5?

 

[bigchief]

well, I want a spec were I hit really hard, I was thinking of using flank etc...
but with 29 in dw, will flank hit hard? if slash is 39?

50cs 39slash 35stealth 30DW 33env.
tell me a good slash spec and I want those that has played alot of infil and tryed most things on them to answer. they who knows the class really well.

how much dmg difference is it on 39-50slash? if I spec in slash, or do slash cap at 51?

er flank chain on infs is crap. It owns on mercs, but they have 2.2k WS. An inf has 1500 or so. (everyone can fk off being pedantic and posting 'IVE GOT 1703!!11 ta). Even with 50dw flank chain is crap, with 29 its er lols. No reason to spec slash above mod 51 unless you use slash styles and they're inferior to CS ones so why use em.

As a rr2 (which I assume you are with 39slash) I'd have to say 44cs and more dw will give better dps than 50cs and 30dw.