Infil Spec?

[Moaning Myrtle]

I have looked back through old threads, but haven't really found the exact answers I am looking for.

I would like to make a Briton Slash Infiltrator. How exactly do I spec? From what I've read, I'd like to spec 44 CS because the damage seems great, but how do I then spec Slash and DW? I understand I ought to aim for effective 50 in Stealth and Envenom (or as close as I can get anyway).

Very grateful for any pointers

 

[Rub]

i think u only need 50 (51 if rr5+) combined slash too

 

[psyco]

initially,

44CS(Style dmg, considering allot of good styles come from here)
39Stealth*(Stealth, decease's detection radius, at 50 it caps)
18DW**(Increases the % to offhand weapon to hit)
44Slash(Non-Style Dmg + % to hit)
39Poisen*(Poisen, same as stealth, but gives you the lvl 50 poisens)

in your template make sure you have +11 skills to all, heres a list if you cannot achieve full +11 that you should focus on;
1.Poisen+Stealth(lets you use Lifebane + have a effective level of 50 Stealth)
2.CS+DW+Slash(improve overall dmg, see initial spec for more info)

*this is for RR1, as you gain RR's follow this rule; 39-(RR-1)
**as you climb the ranks spend the points dropped from Stealth+Poisen in here

hope that helps gave you as much info as i can remember

 

[trycorn]

get 51 combined slash, 49/50 stealth 47/50 env (depending on RR and how much u r depending on poison, if u have free mainhand i would go 50 and throw a viper in aswell does rly nice dmg but if u have fixed weapons i would go 47) 44/50 Crit and rest DW

4 rr5 i would go :
(fixed weaps)
35 stealth
32 env
36 slash
34 dw
50 critt

(free mh)
35 stealth
35 env
36 slash
31 dw
50 critt

4 lower RR i would lower critt to 44 and adjust rest acordingly

edit : oO i made it without autotrain, well just dump rest in DW ^^

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

50 slash, 50 dw, PA is boring!

 

[Rub]

50 slash, 50 dw, PA is boring!

roll merc then tbh ^^

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

From some extensive tests that have been made 50 Slash, 50 DW does the most damage (just a bit more) if you ignore the special out of stealth critical styles. Afair off hand hits unstyled when using Slash (correct me when I am wrong) so it would help against the style reduction goodies out there.

I've been told that you only can PA gimp stealthers and building a template without +11 to CS is a lot easier.

 

[Rub]

From some extensive tests that have been made 50 Slash, 50 DW does the most damage (just a bit more) if you ignore the special out of stealth critical styles. Afair off hand hits unstyled when using Slash (correct me when I am wrong) so it would help against the style reduction goodies out there.

I've been told that you only can PA gimp stealthers and building a template without +11 to CS is a lot easier.

pa against casters is rockx tho

could be fun trying that spec tho, if u can gimmeh some good infil dw spec for leirv?

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

Thanks for the replies

 

[Sorin]

Thanks for the replies

Not done yet

Got a few geek advises.

Its completely up to you.


First: I belive that you are going to use styles as PA, Garrote, Hamstring alot.

Above styles got a higher growth rate than any of the "Anytime Slash Styles"
This will give you a small problem..

The big + with specing 50 in slash is alot higher damage with slash weapons and slash styles,

Now the -, is that you're prolly not going to use any slash styles..

So, in order to maintain the high slash damage with slash weapons you would need to have slash pretty high.

There is one way to solve this small problem.. PM me if you wanna know the answer


Now to the critical spec..

I tried 50 crit on my infil and it went very well.. high damage with the styles you use the most.. and Ripper is really worth it= Highest growth rate in that specline beside the ones with static damage, PA/Backstab etc..

The - about 50 crit is...

You don't really use Ripper that much when you rvr, witch is a shame indeed,
but thats just the way it is.

The spec i got on my infil atm is working pretty good:

39 Envenom
39 Stealth
34 Critical Strike
23 Dual Wield
50 Thrust

If you wonder why i got 50 thrust and only 34 crit, here is the answer:

50 thrust = High damage with thrust weapons, High damage with thrust styles and a very nice stun "Dragon Fang"

34 crit = Got the most important, PA/CD. and more leftovers for DW.
Beside from PA and CD i only use Pincer from the crit specline.


First I PA, Change weapon, CD, Pincer, Basiliskfang, dragon fang, and then a "Anytime style"


And yeah.. dragon fang got a lower GR than Hamstring, but it doesn't really matter since my spec makes up for it.

Ofc i will change my current spec when i'm rr 8, but untill then.. this works great for me.


Oh and btw.. the rest of the guys got some good points to

 

[Dracus]

From some extensive tests that have been made 50 Slash, 50 DW does the most damage (just a bit more) if you ignore the special out of stealth critical styles. Afair off hand hits unstyled when using Slash (correct me when I am wrong) so it would help against the style reduction goodies out there.

I've been told that you only can PA gimp stealthers and building a template without +11 to CS is a lot easier.

This is so VERY wrong...It might have been like this once when OF was new...if you catch my drift.

The CS evade reactionaries have some of the highest growth rates in the game and with the new DW changes(if they come thru) you'll be popping those badboy styles constantly. And on top of that they have abs debuff components.

Aside from that you have garrot for snare and AH for atk spd debuff. and pincer(side pos)that also has abs debuff(which stacks with the evade chain abs debuff).

So Imo...50CS all the way!! 50 combined stealth/slash/env and the rest in DW.

/Dracus

 

[Dracus]

Not done yet
lotsa stuff

You dont need dragonfang(look up L15 evade style, same 5-6sec stun) and having 50base thrust doesnt help ur thrust weapon dmg..only if u use thrust styles and you only wanna use the L15 thrust style. So WHY spec 50 base?!?

Omg I should play my SB again if this is how you Infs spec

Sorry if I come off sounding a lil harsh..but this is assasin or hybrid melee style speccing 1-0-1.

/Dracus

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

This is so VERY wrong...It might have been like this once when OF was new...if you catch my drift.

The CS evade reactionaries have some of the highest growth rates in the game and with the new DW changes(if they come thru) you'll be popping those badboy styles constantly. And on top of that they have abs debuff components.

Aside from that you have garrot for snare and AH for atk spd debuff. and pincer(side pos)that also has abs debuff(which stacks with the evade chain abs debuff).

So Imo...50CS all the way!! 50 combined stealth/slash/env and the rest in DW.

/Dracus

This is not so wrong. The top slash and dw styles do more damage than the CS styles. Proven by very extensive tests. I know the stuff with the attack speed debuff and the ABS debuffs.

50 Slash/50 DW spec:

Style: average damage (hit rate)

Amy: 196,41 (100%)
Dia: 216,41 (100%)
Back: 205,59 (98%)

Dual Shadows: 197,89 (95%)
Flank: 189,43 (89%)
Rain: 199,66 (92%)

DW rate: 70% with ~41 DW damage/swing

Wyrd (36 Slash, 33 DW, 50 CS):

Garrote: 189,93 (96%)
Achilles Heel: 207,84 (93%)

DW rate: 58% with ~36 DW damage/swing

Test been made by a RR5L2 Infi on a RR5L0 Cleric. He made serveral hundreds of hits for each style and some additional ones for unstyled stuff in 6 different specs and until you provide me a test that has the same amout of data I'll keep saying that 50 DW / 50 Slash does a little more damage if you ignore out of stealth styles.

Complete data: http://www.daocfilemod.com/Inf_test.xls

DW has a side chain attack speed debuff btw.

 

[Dracus]

Unfortunately I dont have excell installed atm so cant check that spreadsheet. But that still doesnt change the fact that the CS evade chain is the highest dmg assasins can dish out(outta stealth as you say). I dont see those styles in what u mentioned?? just putting down positionals and anytimes means NOTHING. assasins evade like mofos..so your main style will BE evade styles. Unless ur one of those garrot/amy spamming Infs?

Anyway, no need to believe me, I only speak from my own experience. as we all know tests ALWAYS show the right results...

/Dracus

 

[Killswitch]

Maybe not relevant, but it's probably worth mentioning that the top-level styles in DW and CS (Dual Shadows and...erm...summat else) are bugged and take their damage from your WEAPON spec so if you want to go for a Mercfiltrator spec (or just a Merc for that matter) then you want 50DW and 50Slash/Thrust because Wyrd-spec WILL NOT WORK with the level 50 styles in the DW and CS lines...

As I said, not relevant to this conversation really, but worth knowing

 

[Dracus]

well ripper still has the abs debuff, so if not for dmg then for effect. I know you almost never get a 4chain combo off, but just getting leaper and rip seperation off does a LOT of good and the dmg on rip seperation is insane.

But it might make it less effective speccing 50CS. Can settle for 44 with little loss.

Then you can also spec:

36blades
35env(depending on 47combined or 50combined, change as needed)
35stealth
44CS
39dw

Thats what I'd spec anyway.

/Dracus

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Unfortunately I dont have excell installed atm so cant check that spreadsheet. But that still doesnt change the fact that the CS evade chain is the highest dmg assasins can dish out(outta stealth as you say). I dont see those styles in what u mentioned?? just putting down positionals and anytimes means NOTHING. assasins evade like mofos..so your main style will BE evade styles. Unless ur one of those garrot/amy spamming Infs?

Anyway, no need to believe me, I only speak from my own experience. as we all know tests ALWAYS show the right results...

/Dracus

Don't be so anal about this all . OpenOffice reads Excel files and it is free btw .

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Unfortunately I dont have excell installed atm so cant check that spreadsheet. But that still doesnt change the fact that the CS evade chain is the highest dmg assasins can dish out(outta stealth as you say). I dont see those styles in what u mentioned?? just putting down positionals and anytimes means NOTHING. assasins evade like mofos..so your main style will BE evade styles. Unless ur one of those garrot/amy spamming Infs?

Anyway, no need to believe me, I only speak from my own experience. as we all know tests ALWAYS show the right results...

/Dracus

Don't be so anal about this all . OpenOffice reads Excel files and it is free btw .