Importing some pre-compressed xvid avi clips in Sony Vegas and getting no video?

[illu]

Is this normal?

Oli - Illu

 

[Vodkafairy]

normal im premiere atleast, working with compressed clips is shit there is probably an easy solution to fix it, but as last resort you can save the clips uncompressed (vdub, select 'uncompressed' as codec). either that or a lossless codec at v high quality to reduce even more data loss

 

[illu]

normal im premiere atleast, working with compressed clips is shit there is probably an easy solution to fix it, but as last resort you can save the clips uncompressed (vdub, select 'uncompressed' as codec). either that or a lossless codec at v high quality to reduce even more data loss

Hmmmm my 1mb xvid clip -> uncompressed -> 664mb LOL

I hate making movies, everything is just a bloody nightmare :> I had the whole movie done in MovieMaker but it just would not save. I tried everything but it didn't want to know :/ Now having another go at Sony Vegas and it's being a pain in the butt.....

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

Hmmmm - looks like I might be able to convert the avi's into wmv's via moviemaker as it seems to be able to handle small amounts of files.

This is getting tedious :>

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

What's the easiest way to cut or crop a bit of film footage? Moviemaker I just split the vid clip and deleted the bit I didn't want - Sony Vegas seems to make a meal out of doing something simple :/

Oli - Illu

 

[Zapsi]

Dont have moviemaker up atm but remember the problem when I just began. Dont use save project or save project as . Use Save movie file then u get what u wanted I hope if I understand u problem right.

 

[illu]

Dont have moviemaker up atm but remember the problem when I just began. Dont use save project or save project as . Use Save movie file then u get what u wanted I hope if I understand u problem right.

:> Unfortunately, Moviemaker is pretty well known for being uber unreliable :/ I'm slowly getting into Sony Vegas, it's not very user friendly though.

Oli - Illu

 

[griralith]

dunno if it helps but try these products, i use them myself.

its different programs so u dont need them all for a certain task.

(copy of readme.txt)

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[illu]

Thanks :>

The Sony Vegas education continues, anyone know a simple way of cutting a bit of footage in half? I can edit 1 bit of footage by making it shorter, but I can't for the life of me work out how to chop it in 2 or even in 3, so that I can get rid of some crap in the middle of a clip.

Any advice?

Oli - Illu

 

[Aiteal]

Thanks :>

The Sony Vegas education continues, anyone know a simple way of cutting a bit of footage in half? I can edit 1 bit of footage by making it shorter, but I can't for the life of me work out how to chop it in 2 or even in 3, so that I can get rid of some crap in the middle of a clip.

Any advice?

Oli - Illu

There is a video-trimmer option
But what I normally do is drag the vid to resize the parts I want
then right-click and copy/paste and drag to get the other parts
works just fine for me

 

[illu]

There is a video-trimmer option
But what I normally do is drag the vid to resize the parts I want
then right-click and copy/paste and drag to get the other parts
works just fine for me

Excellent - that worked for me - I copied the clip 3 times and adjusted the size to each bit I needed. Thanks!

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

Another question :> Adding velocity to a clip - I followed Rure's instructions and made 4 points along the clip. The outer 2 would be normal speed, but the inner 2 I was going to crank up to 250%+ speed. Now when I do that, a small yellow tag moves across from the right hand side of the top of the clip and moves inwards, and the sound seems to stay the same?

So what happens - it looks like - is you get the video doing it's bit, but the sounds stay "normal" instead of speeding up too, and then the video seems to loop back to the beginning.

Fun fun fun.

Oli - Illu

 

[Aiteal]

Another question :> Adding velocity to a clip - I followed Rure's instructions and made 4 points along the clip. The outer 2 would be normal speed, but the inner 2 I was going to crank up to 250%+ speed. Now when I do that, a small yellow tag moves across from the right hand side of the top of the clip and moves inwards, and the sound seems to stay the same?

So what happens - it looks like - is you get the video doing it's bit, but the sounds stay "normal" instead of speeding up too, and then the video seems to loop back to the beginning.

Fun fun fun.

Oli - Illu

Same thing with the dragging
The points is too fiddly for my liking
spilt it into the parts you want then right click and up the playback speed from the options

 

[Praxix]

Using precompressed clips to work with sucks, you'll get all the compression artifacts from the first compress and then add new ones on the recompress. A better method than saving uncompressed though is using the MSU codec, which saves lossless.

www.compression.ru/video/ls-codec/index_en.html

Just go in options and set 'Absolutely lossless'. It'll be huge compared to xvid but not 664MB

 

[rure]

Another question :> Adding velocity to a clip - I followed Rure's instructions and made 4 points along the clip. The outer 2 would be normal speed, but the inner 2 I was going to crank up to 250%+ speed. Now when I do that, a small yellow tag moves across from the right hand side of the top of the clip and moves inwards, and the sound seems to stay the same?

So what happens - it looks like - is you get the video doing it's bit, but the sounds stay "normal" instead of speeding up too, and then the video seems to loop back to the beginning.

Fun fun fun.

Oli - Illu

Ah ye, I never mentioned that. Remove the sound where you speed up the file by just dragging from the end of the sound part to where the velocity starts. Add the clip one more time, delete the video part and move the sound to the last part where you have normal pace.

And ye, pre-compressed clips create all forms in vegas unfortunately. I am currently editing edlinas movie and had to precompress the footage since he used it in gamecam and I got those black-gaps that can be seen in rures minions vid all of over the movie.

 

[illu]

Hopefully the last question I have to ask :>
What is the easiest way to get a clip to fade to black at the end or fade in from back at the beginning?

Oli - Illu

PS First Render of movie 813mb for 27 mins LOL - time to change some settings

 

[Aiteal]

Hopefully the last question I have to ask :>
What is the easiest way to get a clip to fade to black at the end or fade in from back at the beginning?

Oli - Illu

PS First Render of movie 813mb for 27 mins LOL - time to change some settings

if you drag the end of the clip in the top corner
it will give you a fade option

 

[illu]

Thanks!

I'm really starting to like Sony Vegas now. Learnt a lot of workarounds, splitting either sound or video clips, doing effects, fading in and out AND it DOESN'T crash all the bloody time like Moviemaker! \o/

The only shite bit now is trying to get the best quality video out at the smallest size. I'm on my 7th Render, altering settings all the time, either the movie comes out too large or if I am too mean with the settings (using Chandi settings), it comes out really nastily blocky in "action" sequences :/

I am currently investigating the effect altering FPS, Target and Quant has to the quality and size of the movie. Eventually I'll hit the nail on the head, shame it takes 1h30min per try! :>

Now I remember why I only make movies once in a blue moon!

Oli - Illu

 

[Zoia]

I am currently investigating the effect altering FPS, Target and Quant has to the quality and size of the movie. Eventually I'll hit the nail on the head, shame it takes 1h30min per try! :>

At the top, above the the bar that shows the time, there's a yellow marker.
You can drag that around to select an area to render. That way you can render a few sec or a few min and don't have to render the whole vid each time.

 

[illu]

At the top, above the the bar that shows the time, there's a yellow marker.
You can drag that around to select an area to render. That way you can render a few sec or a few min and don't have to render the whole vid each time.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Interesting!!!!

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

Right fiddled about with the settings on the 3.35min clip I had and tbh, I have no idea what it all means :/ You change quant and the file size goes up when you expect it to go down. You change target and it seems to have minimal effect :/

Using the Main Feature, Varying Quant and Target these are the results I get.
All I want is a 350mb film from the 26min24secs of footage.
What settings should I choose???

Quality Size FPS Target Quant Time to Render MB Notes

Good 800x600 25 1500 3 1h39 813mb LOL way too big

Good 800x600 25 1000 4 1h39 574mb Nice quality - too large

Preview 800x600 24 874 5 54mins 194mb Chandi Settings, Graphics Blocky, Sounds sounds poor?!

Good 800x600 24 874 5 54mins 194mb Chandi Settings (Changed Preview to Good quality and no change in file size - hmmmm)

Good 800x600 24 1000 4.5 1h35 219mb Blocky Graphics

Good 800x600 25 1000 4.5 1h37 220mb Blocky Graphics

This is getting on my tits :/

Oli - Illu

 

[Aiteal]

Are you using vegas to compress?
Best not too
Virtualdub is much better

I usually render with vegas in uncompressed format then compress with virtual dub and add a wav file for the music, which makes it a little harder as I'm really anal about timing hits in the movie to beats in the music.

 

[illu]

Are you using vegas to compress?
Best not too
Virtualdub is much better

I usually render with vegas in uncompressed format then compress with virtual dub and add a wav file for the music, which makes it a little harder as I'm really anal about timing hits in the movie to beats in the music.

Won't my uncompressed file hit some obscene GB amount?

 

[Aiteal]

Won't my uncompressed file hit some obscene GB amount?

yes
about 20 gig maybe
but it will give much better quality in the long run
export uncompressed
then a 2 pass encode with virtualdub will work wonders

 

[illu]

Ok I'm going to give the uncompressed thing a go - I think mine looks like it will hit about 50Gb+ (omg).
Then I will try the 2-pass tutorial someone was kind enough to post here.

Another question though, when choosing bitrate and quantizer, does the compression take into account BOTH numbers or just 1 of the numbers?

Oli - Illu

 

[rure]

Are you using vegas to compress?
Best not too
Virtualdub is much better

I usually render with vegas in uncompressed format then compress with virtual dub and add a wav file for the music, which makes it a little harder as I'm really anal about timing hits in the movie to beats in the music.

Doing a/v-sync with no music sounds really

Just add the music in vegas but leave it uncompressed to and let vdub compress it.

 

[Aiteal]

Doing a/v-sync with no music sounds really

Just add the music in vegas but leave it uncompressed to and let vdub compress it.

I have music to preview in vegas (songs I've picked and joined into one large wav)
Like I said I'm really anal about timing music to action
Then I just render the uncompressed vid from vegas without music and add the music in v-dub
I found that the 2 get slightly outta sync when done in vegas
and not having that beat/boom in the music at a PA or ice-storm on screen really annoys me

I have many many other neurotic habits too

 

[rure]

I have music to preview in vegas (songs I've picked and joined into one large wav)
Like I said I'm really anal about timing music to action
Then I just render the uncompressed vid from vegas without music and add the music in v-dub
I found that the 2 get slightly outta sync when done in vegas
and not having that beat/boom in the music at a PA or ice-storm on screen really annoys me

I have many many other neurotic habits too

Well, ye im like that to. got 100+ markers in the movie I am currently rendering. but I dont see why you aint just leave the sound uncompressed along with the uncompressed video footage - in the same file. The way you do it sounds to me a bit of extra work and lots of chances to screw things up? I am mebbe wrong though.

 

[illu]

Right - converted movie from Sony Vegas to uncompressed (sound and video) - it came to 74Gb LOL! It's only 26min24secs of footage

I am now running that 2-pass tutorial on it:-
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=196884&highlight=2-pass

to see what happens.

From the 2-pass tutorial, I'm not quite sure where to compress the audio, so I have done it on the 2nd part, picking lame mp3.
Also the only difference my xvid settings have from the tutorial is that on the Xvid Configuration page for the Twopass - 1st pass, where to save my data it says video.pass instead of stats, but that didn't worry me too much, but on the same screen, mine has "discard first pass" ticked?!

Anyway, I'm running the job now, so see what happens. Lucky all this crap takes ages each time as I'm decorating, so as it uses up all my computer resources, I can't play, so I get more painting done :>

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

350mb - the file size looks good.
I watched some of the vid and it looks pretty good quality, but the sound is out by at least 1-2 seconds :/

Goddam!

I'll have to try some different settings

Oli - Illu