Important Season 3 Idea

[vuz]

Snow gets his wish, I "try" to describe the idea for a new league layout, many will instantly think its shite, but on telling other people the reason is they didn't really understand wot i meant, which is y i haven't tried to explain up to now....

Here goes:
Click here to see the overall idea for the first stage: Divisions of 32 divided into Groups of 8, the idea is that you play all the other clans in your group in 7 weeks [1 game per week]: Click here to see how this may look.

When that is done we go on to Quarter-Finals/Semi-Finals/Finals
Importantly ALL clans go onto all stages, view:
HERE to see how the premiership quarter finals would look
HERE to see how the premiership semi finals would look
HERE to see how the finals would look

Right, having that you should see [hopefully] what I am looking at:

REASONS:
1] If clans leave the league then it is not a problem nearly as much as it has been in season 2, if a clan drops out in the group stage then all clans loose the scores BUT this is less likely to happen because (i) Shorter Season (ii) Less games to play (iii) Less chance to get "bored". In the quarters/semis/finals leaving will just mean a default win for the clan who they "wud" be playing, so nps - NO more fuckups like s2 Division 3

2] As previously mentioned it is a shorter season, we feel that one of the problems with s2 is its length.. it can get boring if you're not competing for the top spots..

3] It does allow us to have a lot more clans WITHOUT ignoring new/n00bie clans and making an open division or wotever, we don't do this becos we want to be the biggest league and show off, we do this becos we believe any clan shud be able to compete in the league.

4] Keep clans up to date with the fixtures, 1 game a week is hardly asking too much and allows clans to compete in other leagues [we're looking at possibility of a ladder as well for clans who want to play more], clans who don't play within 2 dates [with a little lenionce] will loose by default, there will be no catchup week unless there is something major like a new patch stopping some games being played.

5] The fun factor, basically it "shud" be more fun to play in [this may kinda be similar to point 2 ]


Right, I hope no one instantly dismisses it, I do want your thoughts but nothing abusive... if u disagree say so in a polite manner, get cocky and be ignored

[Edited by ViRuZ on 18-11-00 at 13:11]

 

[vuz]

someone mentioned we'll need more servers to do this: shudn't be a problem afaik

 

[old.TGC Snow]

excellent idea, and looks like fun - with smaller groups, you're never too far away from the top (or bottom) and the knockout stage at the end adds some interest

i'd say about 8 servers, and it would be cool if each div could have 2 servers or something to make bookings easier (but not so strict that prem clans can't use div 3 server when it's free, etc.)

my admin format idea was:

3 main admins of whole league (Viruz, Taz, Alexia)
4 divisional admins, each assigned to a division
16 group admins, each in charge of a specific group

then loads of referees

 

[vuz]

i like Snow's ideas, I aint sure we need 8 servers.... there's 4 games per group per week which means 64 games a week, which means.... i reckon 6 servers shud be enuf?
hmm
i best get talking to BW

 

[Mörgoth]

I'm sure that from an admin point of view you won't appreciate this, but for us at least, all the dropouts from Div3 suited us to the ground. It gave us a chance to get our team organised, basic tactics laid out, communication systems set up, etc. We didn't have to deal with loads of matches, so it was pressure free. And chances are we're gonna get promoted seeing as so few clans are left anyway.

But that said, next season we'd prefer more games, so the new system sounds cool.

 

[old.TGC Snow]

also, i think we should start selecting admins now, coz that is a =lot= of admins you're gonna have to get together

perhaps u should "promote" some of the current referees to be group admins?

 

[old.MrTFC]

I for one think its a great idea. Short seasons are always good news becuase it minimises the detrimental effect which clans leaving have on the league. It also keeps everything interesting because if after a few weeks your clan isn't doing too well then you know that in just a few more the next season will be starting for you to have another stab at. But in your plan you state that you will be trying to get 4 divisions each with 32 clans [:\]. Not sure that you'll have an easy job doing this and to be honest i'm not sure that you should be looking for such a large increase from the number of clans you already have. Maybe just 3 divisions (96 clans) would be better?

But as I said its a great idea! [] Good job Snowey.

 

[old.[MaR]Gonzo]

yeah agree, this is a much better structure than before. good job!

 

[vuz]

rah for people thinking its good

MrWar: we have 70 clans so far and a lot of s2 clans yet to confirm their place [we've being taking clans for nearly exactly 1 week now, 6 weeks til s3 begins ]

Snow: i agree and am looking at possible admins
Personally i think u'd be an 0wnage admin but u refused last time i asked
i'll ask again

 

[Twinner]

Sounds good

cept that sometimes when u can't play a clan in 1 week its nice 2 have a catch up week

 

[vuz]

with one game a week it means u shud be able to fit a game u can't do one week into another if need be

 

[old.[Do]JiM]

Morgoth: It will fit new clans perfectly the reason u lot liked div 3 this time was because there were less clans competeing and with the new layout theres only 8 clans in each so it should suit u lot well

Great idea viruz/snow whoever thought of it

oh 1 thing viruz is there a chance of one clan being put in the wrong group and then totally dominateing that group like i know some clans have this season

[MaX]JiM[CeX]
oh which one to choose

 

[vuz]

bah, i thought of it, snow was just first to reply to this post with extra input

umm, unlikely to have clans in wrong group.. possible but improbable and less likely to have such a major inpact shud it happen

 

[exxxie]

Season 3

Ok league structure looks nice.... one or 2 points of concern however:

1) Lots of clans ... are they ALL being vetted? God knows I've seen clans formed in the flash of on eye on Demon Pubs and then seen this very clan entered into UKTFCL. Only to play a grand total of 0 games. No one says newbie clans dont deserve a spot in the league like any other clan, but a vetting process must be included to ensure clans are taking this serious. A web page with rosta is a must imo. Any serious clan will have this already to some degree. It doesnt have to be fancy

2) Stricter Timetable / The lack of a catch up week. Bad idea imo. Alot of clans play 3 or 4 matches a week these days. Finding dates to play matches with other busy clans is sometimes a nitemare. And you have to rely on a catch up week to get that last match played. I would like to see the catch up week stay.

3) Maps. All important. A set map schedule for the league section is fine but, how will the play off stages map system work? Will clans be told what to play prior to the season starting? Will each clan nominate a map to play? To get the best from the play off stages I would suggest the later. That way matches will be close and tight, rather than inflicted maps on both teams. (Badlands and Fortsake2 in the same week this season was a BAAAD idea, same as sd_l and monkey_l *ahem*)

4) Prem is too big perhaps. Who are the invite clans? No point making up the numbers if some clan gets into a group with ERA +Nitro+ MaR PC JMC A&I & =BC= and gets clobbered every week. Or are you considering "seeding" clans based on this seasons results? and perhaps distributing the seeds amongst the Groups? Just a thought.

Overall I like the ideas so far ViRuZ Good work.

 

[vuz]

trust xs to be the m0ng

1) All clans will be checked up with their webby and all

2) If needed there may be catchup time but with just 1 game a week needed and the possibility of playing it along side another weeks games if the first week wasn't possible shud be possible no?

3) I "think" that we will do almost as u say, had already planned that, basically set maps for the group games and then clans choose maps for the second part. I am thinking of making a rule which says the maps picked for the second round must be one of those that has been played in the group stage [we don't want a scenario with clans specialising on a map no one else has ever seen ]

4] If we can't get a suitable standard the Premiership may be reduced in size, so far its looking at clans like [no disrespect if u shud be on here] .. [848] [UE] [PC] =BC= [RA] [SLH] =TGC= [JMC] + maybe [AGL] [A&I] [MaR] + more clans who I hope to get to join including others from season 2

 

[old.[MaR]Gonzo]

change "maybe MaR" to "MaR have sign up for s3"

really nice to see the improvments of the leauge and the higher standard.

Looking forward to play s3!

 

[old.TGC Snow]

woohoo!

btw, I think we need to set up the draw for the groups. XS is right that we're gonna need seeding. Probably 8 seeds for each division would work best (and plz try to carefully research them - i will if ya want) having them grouped as follows:

Group A - Seeds 1 & 8
Group B - Seeds 2 & 7
Group C - Seeds 3 & 6
Group D - Seeds 4 & 5

Then the rest of the clans would just be drawn out randomly into each group. Obviously sorting out divisional placings will also be a bit of work, but fortunately the shorter seasons and larger divisions probably cover for that.

Since I'm not currently doing any admin work on this season, I would be happy to be "Season III admin" for the duration of this season, helping to set it all up, and then when we finally get there the usual blokes can try not to fuck it up

 

[vuz]

the way it has worked previously is every single clan has been ranked [a long tedious and boring job which i'm more than happy to let Snow do ]

clans currently in a BWTFCL have a slight advantage in division selection but once leagues are chosen they too are ranked equally

if that makes any sense then

 

[exxxie]

Ban ViRuZ's

nope, none what-so-ever.

 

[old.Round[DONut]]

Great work Viruz..

A good idea could be to choose the groups from geography. All british clans together and france clans together and scandinavian clans together. That should solve the problem with servers and having to play on server that are not good for you.. aleast until the finals..

 

[vuz]

xs smells like sprite [that ist bad]

Round:
I have thought about this BUT one of the reasons clans join many leagues is to play different clans, many UK and Swedish and [etc] clans will already be in a league from their country and will have played teams from their own country many-a-time and may want some different opposition...

u disagree?

 

[old.TGC Snow]

i understand both Round and Viruz's opinions, and there would have to be a vote on this, because it's hard for one person to decide. Personally, one of the major attractions of this league is that we get to play lots of european clans who (a) we have never played before & (b) are always really fair, sportsmanlike, bla bla bla

but as i said, there would have to be a vote, coz obviously some clans would rather play clans from their own country to allow local servers to be used.

my vote is to have it mixed up randomly - i would hate only being able to play UK clans... i love playing euro clans

 

[Twinner]

GOD do not mind playin forgein clans although we did find that for most of our matches we played forgein clans.

Mind we did start in Div2 then move down to Div3 which was mostly made up of foreign clans

 

[old.Belgarath]

The system u are proposing, would seem to be similar to the one the wireplay league used in season 2, then abandoned in favour of a league system for season 3.

The reason if I remember, was due to folding clans, teams turned up and had no one to play.

U should check with LSM or Jags about possible pitfalls with this arrangement.

 

[vuz]

hmm, already spoken to some people about wp s2, we don't think BWTFCL will have the same fate

 

[old.[BC]eat]

Fukin good idea i rekon

No offence but BW seems to lack a "community" so it doesnt stand out much as s league. I think theis idea could give the league a bit more of an identity and make people look forward to games a lot more.

I would say that the maps must be a bit more of the "standard" maps if we are going to use this idea. Youu could get knocked out of the semi finals because you have never played the map before, while the other clan has played it loads of times.

anyway
thumbs up

 

[old.TGC Snow]

WPTFCL wasn't arranged into divisions, so there was too broad a spectrum of clans in each group from what i gathered. Our system is a combination of groups + divisions, allowing good, even competition, while also giving a managable timetable with no options for cherry-picking.

We also have loads of servers lined up for next season (BWTFCL servers, BW clan servers, any =good= continental servers) and a hard-working and dedicated admin team. As for sense of community, the forums are shit coz nobody has anything to complain about or debate =)

 

[Atomic Rammer]

And even when they do (RA) they do it on a uktfcl forum :\