I'm no Daily Mail reader but...

[nath]

Even I think this is pretty fucked up:

BBC NEWS | England | Hampshire | Husband jailed for killing wife

The guy actually tried to decapitate his wife, apparently almost infront of his kids. Not murder but manslaughter, and 9 years?

I can appreciate that he potentially has mental health problems but nevertheless - Jesus.

 

[tris-]

nice random sub line as usual from the BBC

Carotid artery

i know what it is, but where does it fit with the proceeding or preceeding paragraph?!

 

[Ch3tan]

nice random sub line as usual from the BBC



i know what it is, but where does it fit with the proceeding or preceeding paragraph?!

It doesn't, but as usual it fits with the proceeding section:

"Jurors had been told Sinclair attempted to cut off his wife's head, cutting through her carotid artery and her spinal cord."

 

[throdgrain]

Apparantly he went mental and therefore shouldnt get the full term, just manslaughter.

Crazy

 

[Calaen]

I say kill him!!!

 

[Bahumat]

I say kill him!!!

Bum him first! Elton John style

 

[TdC]

aparantly he was a bit quirky. when she admitted having an affair he flipped out and did her in. it seems that if he's left it at that the court may have been more lenient, but he tried to take her apart too o0

 

[Gray]

BBC NEWS | England | Cambridgeshire | Puppy is kicked to death in park

Read for a few days ago too, i believe it was in the papers finally today.

Bunch of sick bastards to be honest.

 

[Scouse]

He admitted killing her in the kitchen of their luxury £1m rented home but said he had been attacked and stabbed by his wife and thought he was dying.

So, she lost it and attacked her mental husband, who lost it in return and tried to cut her head off?

Sounds like manslaughter to me. If not simply a case of whacking him in a loony bin.

I know if my bird stabbed me, I'd probably stab her back

 

[Moriath]

murder is pre meditated ..

man slaughter is spur of the moment

sounded like a non planned thing to me

so manslaughter was right

 

[Tom]

murder is pre meditated ..

man slaughter is spur of the moment

sounded like a non planned thing to me

so manslaughter was right

No, murder is murder, premeditated or not.

Manslaughter is accidental killing.

There's a very big difference.

 

[Scouse]

Voluntary manslaughter occurs when the defendant kills with malice aforethought (intention to kill or cause serious harm), but there are mitigating circumstances which reduce culpability. Voluntary manslaughter is a lesser included offence of murder. The traditional mitigating factor was provocation, however others have been added in various jurisdictions.

Getting stabbed is quite provoking

And accidental killing is accidental. Like when you run someone over.

 

[Damini]

No, murder is murder, premeditated or not.

Manslaughter is accidental killing.

There's a very big difference.

Morally, yes. By the letter of the law, no.

 

[Moriath]

No, murder is murder, premeditated or not.

Manslaughter is accidental killing.

There's a very big difference.

wrong as per above statements

 

[Scouse]

Morally, yes. By the letter of the law, no.

I don't really know. If I found a catholic priest paedo, with previous, abusing a vulnerable choirboy, stopped him, sent the kid home and then slyly put a bullet between said paedo's eyes, would that be morally wrong, or just preventing further indescretion?

/leaves for pub

 

[Ch3tan]

I don't really know. If I found a catholic priest paedo, with previous, abusing a vulnerable choirboy, stopped him, sent the kid home and then slyly put a bullet between said paedo's eyes, would that be morally wrong, or just preventing further indescretion?

/leaves for pub

Go to confession with him first and ask him to absolve you for what you are about to do first. Then at least your soul will be fine ;p

 

[Wazzerphuk]

No, murder is murder, premeditated or not.

Manslaughter is accidental killing.

There's a very big difference.

1st the anti-terror laws thread and now this, you don't seem to have a very good grasp of basic laws. Are you anti-police by any chance?

 

[Tom]

What I meant was that there is a big difference between manslaughter (ie dropping bricks from a bridge into a river for a laugh, and one brick lands on the head of someone on a boat), and murder, where you have your hands around somebody's throat but "I didn't mean them to die".

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Is there, really?

 

[Moriath]

not in law .. unless you went out with the purpose of putting your hands round their throat

 

[Moriath]

actually tyhe brick thing would probably be negligence or something not manslaughter

 

[Uara]

Murder=The unlawful killing of a human being, under the Queen's Peace, with "malice aforethought".
Actus Reus (guilty act) being the first bit unlawful killing of a human being, under the Queen's peace
Mens Rea (mental act)-malice aforethought=BUT dont actually need malice or aforethought.........just need to have intent to cause death or GBH through your action

 

[Scouse]

What I meant was that there is a big difference between manslaughter (ie dropping bricks from a bridge into a river for a laugh, and one brick lands on the head of someone on a boat), and murder, where you have your hands around somebody's throat but "I didn't mean them to die".

Dropping bricks isn't manslaughter I wouldn't think. I think your view of what constitutes manslaughter is a bit skewed m8.

Manslaughter is getting into a fight in a pub and accidentally killing someone rather than just hurting them.

Dropping bricks with unfortunate timing is accidental. You'd probably get done for some offence (acting like a tosser, maybe), but not manslaughter...

 

[tris-]

It doesn't, but as usual it fits with the proceeding section:

"Jurors had been told Sinclair attempted to cut off his wife's head, cutting through her carotid artery and her spinal cord."

when i read the article, this was in the very last paragraph while the sub headline was near the top. did they edit it?

murder is pre meditated ..

man slaughter is spur of the moment

sounded like a non planned thing to me

so manslaughter was right

actually i think this is a myth, or an americanism of some thought.

murder is the unlawful killing of another human under the queens peace, with intent [to kill], the result of which is a dead body.

you dont need to have thought it out beforehand which pre meditated would suggest.


bloudy uara beat me to it.

i believe most here are probably wrong about what murder or manslaughter is. if it is proved that you didnt intend it, then it isnt murder. its not as simple as saying well i got in a fight in a pub and he just sort of died.

and id also like to know why everyone blames the judge for the conviction? its the JURY who decides what the person is guilty of. the judge gives the sentance that the members of the public find the person guilty of. in that case, 9 years is rather long for un intentional killing.

 

[00dave]

I think you're all assuming that this murder/manslaughter thing is black and white, but what the accused does after the victims death is also taken into account. Hiding the evidence or even not reporting it to anyone is like sitting in court with a big sign round your neck saying murderer as far as the jury are concerned.

 

[soze]

Britain 'to move to first and second degree murder charges' - Telegraph

Perfect Example of where these new rules would work he would still get life for Second Degree Murder rather than Manslaughter.

 

[Trem]

I didn't find anything wrong with what I read in the report.

I thought it might of been something like the Arnie letter where the beginning of each line would spell out 'arsenuggets' or something. I had to read very slowly to find something alarming to me.

Meh, must just be me but we all know how he feels (for those who have been heart broken) and he's mental and she stabbed him, that would pretty much be enough for me to lose my mind tbh.

 

[Scouse]

Britain 'to finally become officially a US State, with the same laws - regardless of the fact that tougher sentencing has done FUCK ALL to combat crime in the states

Fixed

But:

Men who kill nagging women will no longer be able to plead provocation, in changes backed by women's groups and reformers.

I think it's fair game if you can't get a moment's peace from the bitch...

 

[Uara]

Britain 'to move to first and second degree murder charges' - Telegraph

Perfect Example of where these new rules would work he would still get life for Second Degree Murder rather than Manslaughter.

thats been on the cards for months and months. The courts/parliament are quite happy to ignore most law report recommendations for the moment (with regard to this in particular)