im feeling sad and confused!

[nimronn]

Hey peeps,

Ive been playing this game for nearly 2 years off and on - i played before SI was implemented.

I just wanted to moan a bit - so i thought id do it here

TOA has really fooked this game up, i want my charcters to do well in RvR, so i try to get arti's etc. but alot of artis i want are either down, or camped. and tbh its got to the point where im annoyed at DAoC for making it so damn difficult to get anything - once u get it you have to LvL it etc .

Was much better in the old the days where you just got your character to 50 and sorted a template (which was alot easier) . and then go RvR - simple and extremely fun . I dont know what to do....leave.....stay.....dunno - but its getting to the point where its frustrating to play. I am looking forward to NF - but from what ive heard theyve cocked that up too, as tanks are apprently useless. which is rediculus. ( thats just a rumour i heard so might be wrong ). But if it is true i cannot believe that they would make an expansion that made half the classes useless. HELP ME SEE THE LIGHT!!!

its annoying me even more because i love this game in alot of ways (RvR etc) but i can't do what i enjoy as making ur character stand a chance you need to get artis and lvl em etc. Which is near impossible unless you grind it for ages to get an arti to a lvl at which its usefull.

help me peeps

 

[Jika]

dont spam threads then :<

and I feel sad about u ;< (I realy do, roleplayers - dont spam about that etc mates irl tbh and so on - like in the last thread I wrote smth)

 

[Novamir]

k then jika.

 

[nimronn]

didnt mean to spam - i click post thread and then all of a sudden there was 2 of the same thread. :/

 

[censi]

so you would rather come back to the game and it be exactly the same as it was before. So you could run to emain and be just as tough as everybody else.

sure, but for the rest of us that have been playing all the time, new content adds new life to the game and most of us think that TOA has added an extra dimension to the PVE and RVR side of the game.

you will probably need to complete 3 encounters, farm some scrolls, and do some ml raids (which are gr8 fun first time around).

If you dont wanna do it then cancel your subscriptions.

 

[nimronn]

so you would rather come back to the game and it be exactly the same as it was before. So you could run to emain and be just as tough as everybody else.

sure, but for the rest of us that have been playing all the time, new content adds new life to the game and most of us think that TOA has added an extra dimension to the PVE and RVR side of the game.

you will probably need to complete 3 encounters, farm some scrolls, and do some ml raids (which are gr8 fun first time around).

If you dont wanna do it then cancel your subscriptions.

Nope - for starters i havent come back - ive been here - yes new content does add a new dimension to RvR but im moaning about the fact that the "new dimension" is not easily accesable to a casual gamer. , im all up for adding new things - partly the reason i play MMORPG's as they don't get boring , but your missing the point. the point is ive been trying to get a few artis for a long time now - and no luck, why? becuase alot of people camp the spots cos 1) the arti looks cool 2) to sell it. which makes it alot harder to get it to be actually able to use it and not just sell it off. also the spawn times on some artis is OMFG annoying. i mean SoM has up too a 48 hour respawn - WTF is that about. i already have some artifacts - but the easy ones - as in BoS etc. and my charcter is close to ML3.

 

[Huntingtons]

if you dedicate yourself, i mean, spend some quality time on ml
's, taking every possible chance you get to join in on one... because you have played that much im assuming you got friends get em to help ya do yer encounters - you got a druid, get it fop and use it to join farm grps, or lvl an ani and use it in farm grps etc. just dont give up coz it seems frustrating - iv'e tried that, i didnt schedule what i did want, what to do etc so i quitted and sold but i painfully regreted

 

[Raven]

without casual players there would be no subscriptions/no game think yourself lucky that you arent one of the self proclaimed pros, when the servers shut down they will probably be so upset they top themselves

 

[Boann]

Censi has a point about the new dimensions ToA has added to the game.

But to be honest, I don't artifacts or ToA items are responsible for ruining the game. I think ToA really messed up the Hibernian economy.
Let's face it: if you don't have connections or friends in the game, it'll be hard to get an artifact. Unless you have loads and loads of money of course, but unfortunately that's just a dream for many.

I often think about the people who are new to the game. I remember when I collected my first gold (beta / early release) and I thought I was rich
Now, 10 platina is considered rather shabby as good ToA items usually don't sell for less than a few plats, MP crafted stuff can go up to 10p, some artifacts are priced 30p or 45p, etc...

If there would be a third English server, I might think about playing again. A new and fresh economy interests me. But at the moment I'm just waiting for WoW. I think I'll try it and see how I like it as the WarCraft universe has kept me occupied for many years


Anyway, just my small moan and opinion on this matter. ToA isn't the real big baddy here, it's the economy imho.

 

[censi]

i mean its not hard to get credit for the encounters you need that can be done in a few days even for a casual gamer.

the important thing is to make your template. (and if you are thick get a clever person to do you a good one). Then start Toa cash farming. ask people in guild for the sweet spots.

farm ml7
som/malice 3 scrolls
fire island
farm that dude near braggarts bow for end weapons
farm chissia snake thing
etc
etc

a casual gamer can still rake in enough money (30 plat for say 5 hours over a week) to basically buy any artifact he needs. you just have to make the effort and know what you want to achieve and what tools you need to achieve it. you dont really need to play this game 24x7 to get all the things you need. you just have to have a plan and a little bit of determination.

 

[Tallen]

In the "old" days getting lvl 50 was bloody tough, its all relevant.

I would guess the time it used to take to hit lvl 50 is roughly the same as it now takes to hit 50, farm and lvl all yer arti's.

Mythic lost control of xp lvling a long time ago, people just know the game too well, Arti lvling is nothing more than a way to make players PvE in different areas and on different mobs other than fins.

 

[Jaapi]

Hey peeps,

Ive been playing this game for nearly 2 years off and on - i played before SI was implemented.

I just wanted to moan a bit - so i thought id do it here

TOA has really fooked this game up, i want my charcters to do well in RvR, so i try to get arti's etc. but alot of artis i want are either down, or camped. and tbh its got to the point where im annoyed at DAoC for making it so damn difficult to get anything - once u get it you have to LvL it etc .

Was much better in the old the days where you just got your character to 50 and sorted a template (which was alot easier) . and then go RvR - simple and extremely fun . I dont know what to do....leave.....stay.....dunno - but its getting to the point where its frustrating to play. I am looking forward to NF - but from what ive heard theyve cocked that up too, as tanks are apprently useless. which is rediculus. ( thats just a rumour i heard so might be wrong ). But if it is true i cannot believe that they would make an expansion that made half the classes useless. HELP ME SEE THE LIGHT!!!

its annoying me even more because i love this game in alot of ways (RvR etc) but i can't do what i enjoy as making ur character stand a chance you need to get artis and lvl em etc. Which is near impossible unless you grind it for ages to get an arti to a lvl at which its usefull.

help me peeps

Just why i canceled my subscription. It just ain't fun anymore and like Censi says, you need loads of cash because people are so greedy. Not worth the trouble anymore.

 

[censi]

you dont need lots of cash cuz people are greedy. you need lots of cash becasue making lots of cash is easy. If you had a car and it would sell for 5 grand, then you put it in auto trade for 5 grand and you sell it for 5 grand. people only pay what they can afford to pay for items. if they can afford to say pay 10 plat for you average artifact than you can assume that your average casual daoc player has more than 10 plat saved up.

Its called inflation.
2 years ago 1 plat in daoc was a lot of money. 1 year ago 10 plat was a lot. now 100 plat is a lot (or a little to some!)

 

[Raven]

you dont need to spend lots of money only stupid people do that, farm stuff yourself, join artifact groups, get scrolls on ml raids in lotto's or join scroll farming groups, sell what you dont need, get a house with a CM and put anything you dont want on that, even doing some of the quests can make you money if you sell the rewards on your CM. (best if you dont need the item ) i made a pretty near perfect temp for my hero costing max 35-40 plat which may sound a lot but you make a lot just doiing stuff in toa, join giant exp groups even if you dont need giant exp (cyclops) and get love story scrolls, join ml7 farm groups and get som, malice, scalers scrolls. make a small group and farm ml 1.1, (can be done with 4 people easy) solo (with bb) if you are a light ment. people need to actually go out and do stuff rather than expecting it to be done for them.

i consider myself a casual gamer, i work and have my own house and spend time with my wife so i dont play as much as others yet i have got everything i need done.

At the end of the day you dont need to have 100s of plat, what would you use it for anyway, all you need is enough to get the items you need, not the items you want, why try and build an SC temp using high util items that do in fact have shit effective utility because of the crap spread of toa resists (zahar ring) when you can make a much better one using fairly common drops

 

[Aloca]

you dont need lots of cash cuz people are greedy. you need lots of cash becasue making lots of cash is easy. If you had a car and it would sell for 5 grand, then you put it in auto trade for 5 grand and you sell it for 5 grand. people only pay what they can afford to pay for items. if they can afford to say pay 10 plat for you average artifact than you can assume that your average casual daoc player has more than 10 plat saved up.

Its called inflation.
2 years ago 1 plat in daoc was a lot of money. 1 year ago 10 plat was a lot. now 100 plat is a lot (or a little to some!)

Hey dont pull me into this will ya


Anyway what you should do is fix your template on paper so you know exactly what you want, when you know that it is much easier to focus, yes it can mean that you have to camp a artifact for a while, if someone else is camping you can also just ask if they can be nice and msg you if it pops so you can get credit for encounter. ML raids is organiced all the time, just check frequently here on FH and when you see a raid you havent done join it.
You can also try make a grp that will make all smaller presteps to all mls so you have it done to when the bg steps starts.
also you dont NEED all the toa stuff that is available much of it is just fluff or looks nice there is just a few that give you stats or charges you need.

Belive me i know how hard toa can be, at the beginning of toa me and censi was the only ones active in my guild, we didnt have any farming chars took us 2 weeks without realy getting anywhere, maybe a random artifact or ml done but not anything special. Then we PLed ourself 3 animists and everything gone smooth after that. Now my guild have grown up a bit and we have 10 animists 2 fopers and loads of other chars we can do encounters with. When anyone in guild need help with encounter you can be damn sure that almost everyone will drop whatever they are doing and come help that person, that is what guilds are for after all. Know your friends help your friends and they will help you back.

 

[Talivar]

Toa isnt as bad as ppl think or say UNTIL u meet the greedy ppl.Its easy to say just kill this or that or farm this or that but lol htf can u do that if certain ppl and guilds almost perma camp these places and mobs and farm them just to sell or give items to alts/guildies.It was same in SI with galla eventually and before that with treant gems.Nobody ever listens to me anyway but pls maybe its time u ppl who perma farm mobs/places for cash/arts take a step back and think maybe i should let some other ppl have a chance ?

 

[Tinneth]

1 word





Camlann baby !

 

[Alme]

tali 4 president!

 

[Miss]

so you have to toa a char or 2.....

if you want your char to be of any use to your group or fun for yourself, you will have to simply go through the effort of getting toa'd or then just quit.

i won't even go as far as how fed up i am with pve, but its something that has to be done so you can enjoy the aspect of rvr with a char of yours.

good luck with getting toa'd. uke:

 

[Ogri]

but for the rest of us that have been playing all the time, new content adds new life to the game and most of us think that TOA has added an extra dimension to the PVE and RVR side of the game.

This is not a personal flame!

The imbalance of this comment is an illustration of where things have gone in this game. In the real world, normal people (a member of which I am not, as I too feel partially responsible) dont have time to indulge themselves in a career of obsessive CGI self progression of this nature, and therefore will not be able to compete with those of us who have, amongst ourselves, coerced the progression of DaoC to the near inobtainable for the casual player/n00b.
The mere fact that you appear to play under the facade of the majority, a delusion incidentally, just goes to show how far things have strayed from the path of accessibility for all, which unfortunately, and this is only my opinion, clears the way for fresh other budding MOOGS to pick up the noob tab, thus preventing DaoC from ever gaining fresh blood.
I loved this game, and it will continue to hold the crown for the most satisfying game I have had the fortune to have played, but loved is in the past tense, and I fear that DaoC will go the same way.

 

[Jayce]

tbh, well said Ogri.

 

[Auriel]

As of patch 1.71 I hear tanks are finding their fun in the Passage of Conflict, the frontier RvR dungeon. All artifacts exp down there and the exp has been greatly boosted, new drops have been added (including 20%Abs debuff proc weapons), so more players have been going there and RvR has taken place as a result. Due to the close confines, it's an arena much more suited to tanks.

As for ToA ubertemplates... I think only a small fraction of players are truly hardcore enough to actually complete their template. The vast majority I can't see doing it because they're casual gamers - which is fine, because all realms and most people are in the same boat. In NF large scale battles, I hear ubertemplates are of little importance next to weight of numbers and some key ml abilities like fonts. Hell, I've read enough about blue and green con players going RvR again and having fun - players not even L50, let alone with any ml's or L10 artis. I've relaxed a lot because of that, kicked back and taken residence in Thid I can't face too much more ToA PvE since I've done 95% of what I wanted I think... I'm just waiting for NF now really.

 

[Tigersans]

I must admit ive tried got 4 artifacts all lvl 10 but they are the easy ones to get harpies cloak winged helm goddness necky and atens shield.

However being a casual gamer work, wife and two kids under 5 i cannot get on the times the master lvls are. In the begining i was lucky managed to get ML2 but then raids were in the day or weekends in the day when i got the kids. Since the 3rd week TOA came out ive not been able to get ML3 tried to get a grp sorted not many turned up the ones that are arranged i cant make ;-(..

Still managed the artifacts though guess its the ML's the casual gamers find hard well i do, cant see me getting past ML2 now ;-(

 

[Gear]

I must admit ive tried got 4 artifacts all lvl 10 but they are the easy ones to get harpies cloak winged helm goddness necky and atens shield.

However being a casual gamer work, wife and two kids under 5 i cannot get on the times the master lvls are. In the begining i was lucky managed to get ML2 but then raids were in the day or weekends in the day when i got the kids. Since the 3rd week TOA came out ive not been able to get ML3 tried to get a grp sorted not many turned up the ones that are arranged i cant make ;-(..

Still managed the artifacts though guess its the ML's the casual gamers find hard well i do, cant see me getting past ML2 now ;-(

At least try to make the upcoming ml3 raid this sunday. The rest are easier to do.

 

[LordjOX]

They bind us to the comp.
THEY!!!

 

[Jayce]

Well I'm a casual gamer, I dont play every day, I work during the day, have 2 kids etc etc

Yet I am ml5 on 2 toons, I have run ml raids when otehrs times didnt suit me, I have more then 10 arti's spread across my toons (none lev 10 yet!!), I have helped a multitude of guildies obtain arti's + scrolls. I am totally skint yet I can still get these things and even though PM camp Zahur a lot I still have the crown (thanks Censi )

All you need is direction, a target to aim for and take it 1 step at a time, have fun along the way and help when/where needed, thats it.

Have fun, see you online.

 

[censi]

lol @ treeant comment. those were never camped. but these mobs were a license to print money when TOA was launched. I have a feeling that the greedy comment is being aimed at me due to the fact you mention those gems, I can assure you of one thing talivar. A larger % of my wealth goes to my friends in daoc than yours does or ever will (and my guild mates know this) and I run very tight to the bone with cash.

TOA is full of things you can farm that are uncamped. Money is a means to an end in DAOC, and the end atm is equiping your character. The real problem with the people moaning about how hard they are finding TOA is that fact that they dont know where to go or what to do. They dont want to put the effort in and probably dont enjoy the game that much. Rest assured if they got off their ass and found a few sweets spots they would find that equiping your character post TOA is actually pretty good fun and not that hard.

items come and go but the most important thing is to enjoy your time on the game.

 

[Tholus]

.....clears the way for fresh other budding MOOGS to pick up the noob tab, thus preventing DaoC from ever gaining fresh blood.
I loved this game, and it will continue to hold the crown for the most satisfying game I have had the fortune to have played, but loved is in the past tense, and I fear that DaoC will go the same way.

fresh blood, no game can survive without it

 

[Khefru]

TOA is utter crap. Worse thing to happen to the game imo. I have my arti's and ml's needed too, but it was a ball ache to do. Add to that the good players are now even better with ml's and arti's, it makes the casual gamer pure rp fodder in the frontiers.

 

[Rauno]

dont spam threads then :<

and I feel sad about u ;< (I realy do, roleplayers - dont spam about that etc mates irl tbh and so on - like in the last thread I wrote smth)

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