If we get another erection soon...

[Raven]

This.

Even if you argue that the recession was nothing to do with Gordon (which is cock) then the fact that we already had a structural defecit during the boom years should be enough to make you realise he was shit.

But the mines??? The mines?!?!?!

 

[Lethul]

I don't understand, he wrote erection instead of election and nobody has commented it!? Is this a spin off from another thread?

 

[rynnor]

I don't understand, he wrote erection instead of election and nobody has commented it!? Is this a spin off from another thread?

We were pretending not to notice that a jocular mod changed the title

 

[Chilly]

I don't think it will.
I have a hunch that history will record the US Mortgage Market collapse, the Credit Crunch, and subsequent bankrupting of Iceland and Greece as the beginning of the breakdown of globalised capitalism.

To give you an analogy.
The Labour govt. been paying the bills on credit card for the last few years and now it's time to start clearing the balance. One problem, the balance is £900billion, the interest is £42billion per year and even tightening the belt and spending less, they're still adding £178billion a year to it.

If you have a debt and you can't afford to make the repayments, you either come to an arrangement with your lender or get declared bankrupt.

Sucks to be whoever's in the seat when that happens.

more importantly it sucks for you and me. I dont care how wide the next PMs anus must become to accomodate the IMF cock that will inject cash.




/edit - that was a nice metaphor.

 

[rynnor]

Go Blunkett!

BBC News - Today - David Blunkett: Lib Dems 'acting like every harlot in history'

To be fair a number of senior Labour MPs have spoken out against a 'Coalition of the defeated'.

 

[Lethul]

YouTube- Turbonegro - I Got Erection (St. Pauli)

 

[Ch3tan]

It's funny how it's only the right-wing Tory press that seems to think that.

The saner domestic media and the international media all seem to think he did a decent job intervening when he did and that he set the stage for Europe and the rest of the world to put financial support and economic stimulus packages in place.

I'm no fan of the guy, but I genuinely believe he called this one right and that history will vindicate him on it.

Really? He's been screwing with the economy since he was chancellor. He is to blame for lots, yes the recession was coming anyway, but we could have been in a far better state to deal with it.

 

[Ch3tan]

Quotes:

The Lib Dems and Conservatives are in talks about forming the next government - with a senior Lib Dem calling the Tory offer the "only deal in town".

"I think that we are doing ourselves damage now in trying to do a deal, and probably, it's time to say stop," former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer tells the BBC. "The sense that people will bargain on any basis in order to stay in power is unacceptable." He says he doesn't think a Lab-Lib alliance can be formed and Labour should now "call it quits".

Recently deposed Lib Dem MP Evan Harris says the Labour Party are "just offering their manifesto", unlike the Tories, who have made concessions and modified their original policy plan in order to woo the Lib Dems. He also thinks it doesn't sound like enough members of Labour are on board with the idea of a Lab-Lib pact to make it a stable arrangement for government.

 

[MrHorus]

Quotes:

The Lib Dems and Conservatives are in talks about forming the next government - with a senior Lib Dem calling the Tory offer the "only deal in town".

"I think that we are doing ourselves damage now in trying to do a deal, and probably, it's time to say stop," former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer tells the BBC. "The sense that people will bargain on any basis in order to stay in power is unacceptable." He says he doesn't think a Lab-Lib alliance can be formed and Labour should now "call it quits".

Recently deposed Lib Dem MP Evan Harris says the Labour Party are "just offering their manifesto", unlike the Tories, who have made concessions and modified their original policy plan in order to woo the Lib Dems. He also thinks it doesn't sound like enough members of Labour are on board with the idea of a Lab-Lib pact to make it a stable arrangement for government.

lol.

Off course Labour can offer their manifesto whereas the Tories need to make concessions - that's because the Tories and the Lib Dems are poles apart on the political spectrum.

*rolls eyes*

 

[ECA]

Horus - Labour got 356 seats with 35.3% of the popular vote in 2005.
Conservatives in this election won 36.1% of the popular vote and only got 306 seats.

Do you think we need electoral reform?

 

[Wij]

lol.

Off course Labour can offer their manifesto whereas the Tories need to make concessions - that's because the Tories and the Lib Dems are poles apart on the political spectrum.

*rolls eyes*

But Dr Harris was clearly indicating that "offering their manifesto" was not acceptable to the Lib Dems so I call twatmonkeys on the relevance and truth of that assertion.

 

[dysfunction]

Horus - Labour got 356 seats with 35.3% of the popular vote in 2005.
Conservatives in this election won 36.1% of the popular vote and only got 306 seats.

Do you think we need electoral reform?

Well the Lib Dems got 23% of the Vote and got 57 seats. With PR they would get around 150...

That means 6.8mill people who wanted Lib Dems only get a 8% representation under current system.

Doesn't seem quite right to me...

 

[ECA]

You are correct dys and I've pointed that out a few times.

My point I guess was this - all the labour people saying "oh the tories didn't win - the people didn't vote enough for them blahblah " - they got more votes and more % share of votes than labour did in 2005 and labour didn't see the need to do anything about it back then or have a problem with governing under that system.

 

[dysfunction]

Well when you are winning the majority of seats you really don't care if the system needs reforming or not..

 

[Embattle]

It highlights the issue that a lot of people's vote's are worthless.

 

[Embattle]

Quotes:

The Lib Dems and Conservatives are in talks about forming the next government - with a senior Lib Dem calling the Tory offer the "only deal in town".

"I think that we are doing ourselves damage now in trying to do a deal, and probably, it's time to say stop," former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer tells the BBC. "The sense that people will bargain on any basis in order to stay in power is unacceptable." He says he doesn't think a Lab-Lib alliance can be formed and Labour should now "call it quits".

Recently deposed Lib Dem MP Evan Harris says the Labour Party are "just offering their manifesto", unlike the Tories, who have made concessions and modified their original policy plan in order to woo the Lib Dems. He also thinks it doesn't sound like enough members of Labour are on board with the idea of a Lab-Lib pact to make it a stable arrangement for government.

BBC News - Hung parliament: Labour 'know Lib Dem talks over'

I don't think this is a bad thing for Labour personally since I don't think the incoming government will work that well in general and with tough times ahead I tend to think the next one won't last that long.

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC News - Hung parliament: Labour 'know Lib Dem talks over'

I don't think this is a bad thing for Labour personally since I don't think the incoming government will work that well in general and with tough times ahead I tend to think the next one won't last that long.

Yep, seems a lot of the party are thinking of their long term good rather than Brown's short term ego.

 

[MYstIC G]

It's funny how it's only the right-wing Tory press that seems to think that.

The saner domestic media and the international media all seem to think he did a decent job intervening when he did and that he set the stage for Europe and the rest of the world to put financial support and economic stimulus packages in place.

I'm no fan of the guy, but I genuinely believe he called this one right and that history will vindicate him on it.

Don't be so stupid MrHorus. If your middle paragraph contained anymore buzzwords it would be packaged up and used as the next Dilbert comic strip. You cannot spend your way out of debt.

 

[Zenith.UK]

As posted in the other thread...

Sounds like Con and LD just need to tidy up the details on the paperwork.

1733 I've received a text message from someone inside Downing Street effectively conceding defeat, says the BBC's Nick Robinson. It said that Labour and the Lib Dems were just going through the motions when they engaged in talks earlier, and Nick Clegg had already decided to work with the Conservatives. The text added that Labour would now "have to regroup as the only progressive party".

 

[Ch3tan]

1. 1742: Lib Dem Treasury spokesman Vince Cable tells Sky News a deal is "very close to being done".
   
   

 

[rynnor]

It highlights the issue that a lot of people's vote's are worthless.

Thats not due to the system so much as because big sections of the electorate vote for the same party regardless which screws the democratic process.

 

[chipper]

tory lib dem government, lol this country gonna be in a right mess in 12 months time but then again it prob wouldnt be much different if shoe was on other foot. oh well lets see how tories manage to fuck over the common man this time round, lets see what industries they decide to nuke this time.

 

[Tom]

If you're a common man who goes out and works for a living in the private sector, you almost certainly won't be fucked over.

If you're a common man who works in the public sector in some pointless gold-plated job, then be afraid.

If you're a common man who can't be arsed working, fuckoff.

 

[Embattle]

I don't see much happen in either of the three areas.

 

[chipper]

well seen as tho i firmly fall into the 1st tier of your 3 tier speech i will wait and see.

what about the 4th one tho

if your a common man working in the public sector in a real functional job?

 

[Ch3tan]

well seen as tho i firmly fall into the 1st tier of your 3 tier speech i will wait and see.

what about the 4th one tho

if your a common man working in the public sector in a real functional job?

Then you've got to be a bit scared, but you should be okay.

Also, can you stop judging this party on one from 20 years ago? If you want to know what they are planning, why not check their manifesto rather than making the same point about the 80's over and over?

 

[chipper]

chetan i have checked over there manifesto and some of the stuff i do agree with, but theres also stuff in there that i really disagree with. my worry is they will let the lib dems get there own way on some real key points, my main worry now is they might allow the amnesty of illegal immigrants. i believe he will put the economy back on track but i make no illusions its gonna be the workforce who suffer for it.

i didnt vote labour just cos its the thing to do in my area i voted for them because i believe they are the best people for the job. they are far from perfect but i dont believe cameron can or will back up alot of his key manifesto points.

time well tell really all i care about is my country being stable and prosperous i dont care who is in power as long as that goal is achieved and maintained.

 

[Ch3tan]

chetan i have checked over there manifesto and some of the stuff i do agree with, but theres also stuff in there that i really disagree with. my worry is they will let the lib dems get there own way on some real key points, my main worry now is they might allow the amnesty of illegal immigrants. i believe he will put the economy back on track but i make no illusions its gonna be the workforce who suffer for it.

i didnt vote labour just cos its the thing to do in my area i voted for them because i believe they are the best people for the job. they are far from perfect but i dont believe cameron can or will back up alot of his key manifesto points.

time well tell really all i care about is my country being stable and prosperous i dont care who is in power as long as that goal is achieved and maintained.

Hold on, you don't think the amnesty on asylum seekers is a good idea, yet you voted Labour and despise the tories? out of control immigration and a failure of border controls are a result of Labour mismanagement. They also have no clear plans to solve it, and only took any notice of it after the BNP got a seat in Europe. Fair enough the tory manifesto promises on immigration are not much better.

How would you deal with illegal aliens already in the country?

 

[nath]

my main worry now is they might allow the amnesty of illegal immigrants.

What would you do instead? As it stands, illegal immigrants are here and not paying tax...

 

[chipper]

i honestly dont know but i dont think amnesty is the right way, the message it sends would sweep through eastern europe and the rest of the world there would be a mass influx before such a bill was passed.

hunting them all down and sending them back is equally as tough simply because of the resources and funds allocated to such efforts.

so where does that leave us its pretty much one or the other. problem is clegg believes that if he declares an amnesty they are all gonna come out of their holes and suddenly start paying taxes and the reality is only a small percentage will do that many will fear its simply too good to be true or be unaware of such an offer


suppose it comes down to cost is it cheaper to keep em or send em back. the problem is where do we go from here how do we stop the problem getting any worse all 3 parties laid out what they would do now its a case of who gets the chance to implement their policy.

as you said no one gave a shit about immigration till the BNP started gaining momentum and that should never have been allowed to happen, the public were making noises and and the 3 biggest parties ignored them,